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Nurburgring experiences

  • 14-02-2008 10:58am
    #1
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭


    Paying this place my first visit soon enough for a lap of honour.

    I'm going to be getting a rental car and taking it but I'm not too sure if thats the best idea. Going to use masking tape on the number plate and surrounds. Will that be enough?


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  • #2
    4JayZee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7 ✭4JayZee


    I've been many times but I don't recommend taking a standard rental out. If its a busy weekend, lots of video and pictures will be taken and, in the past, simply being in the 'Ring car park has gotten renters into trouble.

    That said, plenty of people do it, including some I've travelled with in the past. They've always gotten away with it so I guess you might too?

    The marshalls definetly won't allow you out with obscured plates so I'd steer well clear of that.

    Try these guys;

    www.rent-racecar.de

    Enjoy the trip and drive safely - its an amazing place.


  • #3
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    If you take a rental car, they will almost certainly have a clause in their insurance that will prohibit you driving on the ring. If you crash you'll be liable for the full cost of repairs. And as for the obscured plates, what's the reason for that?

    I really hope you're not what your user name implies you are :rolleyes:


  • #4
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    Hmmmm...
    Ben Lovejoy's excellent site provided this information:
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Almost all car hire companies exclude use on the Ring. We believe they pay a bounty to local employees who spot rental cars in the car-park or on the photo sites.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Penalties include[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] an additional €2000 charged to your credit card for tyre and brake wear (Avis is known for this) and a worldwide ban on hiring their cars (Hertz does this).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Fortunately[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] there are now companies that rent DRTs (Dedicated Ring Toys).[/FONT]

    I've also heard from other sources that the car hire companies are indeed very serious about people taking their hire car around the Nurburgring.


  • #5
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    I really hope you're not what your user name implies you are
    Yes, I'm a community policeman for travellers.

    Well obscuring a small section of the plates is just so they can't hit me up with photographic evidence.
    I'm planning on driving the road just like any other really as I don't want any crashes or nasty experiences and I actually respect the rental car.

    4Jayzee, what tactics did your friends use. Rental companies, locations etc?

    Ps too young for track car rental.


  • #6
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Too young to rent a race car & trying to outwit the efficiency of the Germans! You'll be lucky to get away with it! The other thing to remember is that it's not only your driving on the 'Ring you have to worry about, it's the other lunatics!!

    I hope when you come back you let us know how you got on. This has disaster written all over it.......


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  • #7
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,757 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Your going to take a rental car onto a racetrack and take it handy?


  • #8
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    The other thing to remember is that it's not only your driving on the 'Ring you have to worry about, it's the other lunatics!!
    Thats my only real worry.

    The ring is not really a race track either and yes I do plan on taking it relatively handy. I don't want to **** up the brakes or clutch on the car and will treat her is if she's my own.

    I'm fairly sure its a bmw 525d that I will be renting.


  • #9
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    Well obscuring a small section of the plates is just so they can't hit me up with photographic evidence.
    As said before, the marshals won't even let you on the track like that.

    If you really want to experience the ring, maybe the best way is just to take a ride in one of the Ring Taxi's .. you might even meet the (in)famous Sabine Schmitz who was on Top Gear :)


  • #10
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    Alun wrote: »
    As said before, the marshals won't even let you on the track like that.

    If you really want to experience the ring, maybe the best way is just to take a ride in one of the Ring Taxi's .. you might even meet the (in)famous Sabine Schmitz who was on Top Gear :)
    You need to book well in advance. I doubt the marshalls will notice. I'm only going to join the dots of a few letters.


  • #11
    fletch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭fletch


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  • #12
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Just imagine that through no fault of your own you get involved in an accident, totalling the car (a daily occurance on the ring)

    Youd' be paying back the rental company for years to come.


  • #13
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    Its a fair point but I'm sure they couldnt pursue you for all that money if it wasnt your fault. And even if they could how are they going to get the money off me. A quick change of address etc and I'm untraceable.


  • #14
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    This reminds me of the BMW M5 thread. Are we going to be seeing this in the local papers at some point in the future?


  • #15
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    Its a fair point but I'm sure they couldnt pursue you for all that money if it wasnt your fault. And even if they could how are they going to get the money off me. A quick change of address etc and I'm untraceable.

    Sorry? What? I think you need to rethink this :rolleyes:


  • #16
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Your Boards.ie name is at odds with everything you have mentioned so far:

    - illegally using a rental car on the 'Ring
    - Falsifying number plates
    - intention to commit fraud
    - going into hiding!

    I really don't think all this risk is worth ~ 15 minutes of fun!

    Have a re-think of it, maybe buy a car & bring it with you?


  • #17
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    Yes, I'm a community policeman for travellers.
    What exactly is that?


  • #18
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    rebel.ranter wrote: »
    Your Boards.ie name is at odds with everything you have mentioned so far:

    - illegally using a rental car on the 'Ring
    - Falsifying number plates
    - intention to commit fraud
    - going into hiding!

    I really don't think all this risk is worth ~ 15 minutes of fun!

    Have a re-think of it, maybe buy a car & bring it with you?
    I don;t think there is anything illegal about using a rental car on the Nurburgring. Against the terms of certain rental companies but that doesn't make it illegal Einstein.


  • #19
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    I don;t think there is anything illegal about using a rental car on the Nurburgring. Against the terms of certain rental companies but that doesn't make it illegal Einstein.

    You sign a contract when you take a rental. You want to break that contract and think you can get away with it? It will only end badly...


  • #20
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,089 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    Its a fair point but I'm sure they couldnt pursue you for all that money if it wasn't your fault. And even if they could how are they going to get the money off me. A quick change of address etc and I'm untraceable.

    Garda_boss, you're dead right. Why would a rental company go after you for the full cost of their car if you wrecked it driving around a ring that you're not insured to dive on. I mean, that would just be crazy, right?

    And even is this bizzaro alternative universe came to be where companies actually went after significant amounts of money legally owed to them, how would they ever find you if you simply changed your address? It's not as if they'd have a copy of your driving licence, passport and credit card details, right?

    You follow your dream, and don't mind the begrudgers or little inconveniences like laws and reality.

    :rolleyes:


  • #21
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    Its a fair point but I'm sure they couldnt pursue you for all that money if it wasnt your fault. And even if they could how are they going to get the money off me. A quick change of address etc and I'm untraceable.

    haha...

    How do you propose to rent the car in the first place?

    Under an alias, with fake ID and a fake driving licence?

    You do a runner on the cost and you will have an international arrest warrant on your back before you know it.
    Rental companies have no qualms about going the whole hog when it comes to getting their money back ...plus they'll charge you for all their efforts on top of the cost of the car.


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  • #22
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    I don;t think there is anything illegal about using a rental car on the Nurburgring. Against the terms of certain rental companies but that doesn't make it illegal Einstein.

    LOL Einstein!! :D It IS illegal to breach a contract i.e. breach a contract with the rental comany!!

    There's only one Einstein around here pal!!! :D:D:D:D:D;)


  • #23
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    peasant wrote: »
    haha...

    How do you propose to rent the car in the first place?

    Under an alias, with fake ID and a fake driving licence?

    You do a runner on the cost and you will have an international arrest warrant on your back before you know it.
    Rental companies have no qualms about going the whole hog when it comes to getting their money back ...plus they'll charge you for all their efforts on top of the cost of the car.
    Real name, real licence. But I change house every 6 months, nobody can fix me down and they have tried in the past.
    An international arrest warrant? Are you joking? If the rental company came to me looking for 70K they would be getting zero I can assure you.


  • #24
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    I smell a troll :)


  • #25
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    rebel.ranter wrote: »
    LOL Einstein!! :D It IS illegal to breach a contract i.e. breach a contract with the rental comany!!

    There's only one Einstein around here pal!!! :D:D:D:D:D;)
    You don't know jack about law then. A contract isn't law its a contract. I've sued a rental company in the past successfully despite them mentioning a contract.


  • #26
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    Right, I'm not responding anymore, it's obviously a troll as nobody... nobody can be that clueless surely?


  • #27
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    Mena wrote: »
    Right, I'm not responding anymore, it's obviously a troll as nobody... nobody can be that clueless surely?
    Right I will come back here in a months time and let you know how I got on. Please don't bother pming me again.


  • #28
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    You don't know jack about law then. A contract isn't law its a contract. I've sued a rental company in the past successfully despite them mentioning a contract.

    There is laws associated with entering into a contract. I have studied contract law. You obviously have not. If you breach a contract you are breaking a law.

    Best of luck with your plan.


  • #29
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,089 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    But I change house every 6 months, nobody can fix me down and they have tried in the past.

    Well, they could just look under the nearest bridge. That's where you guys live, right ;)


  • #30
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    It you breach a contract you are breaking a law.
    What if your contract says you must kill 10 people and if you don't you are breaching it? Are you breaking the law then Einstein? Exactly, back of the net.
    I've been to court before with rental companies and I have the scalps to prove it.


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  • #31
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Ok ...I'll type very slowly this time, so maybe you will understand: :D

    Once they have your name and driving licence number it is only a matter of pulling some strings (and throwing some money around) to get your pps number and current address(es).

    These companies employ their own lawyers and have no problems spending a few thousands in lawyer hours to ensure that their title is enforcable against you. Especially so within the EU. They'll set an Irish debt collecting agency on your back for example.

    And they'll bill you for that as well.

    But if you don't believe me ...just drive a rental car into a wall on the ring and find out for yourself ...


  • #32
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    Ok ...I'll type very slowly this time,
    You do know that when you type slowly it still comes out the same on the screen genius?

    Nobody knows where I live. Not you, not the govt, nobody. Plus I have zero money so suing me will achieve nothing.


  • #33
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    Yes, I'm a community policeman for travellers.
    What exactly is that?


  • #34
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,089 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    What if your contract says you must kill 10 people and if you don't you are breaching it? Are you breaking the law then Einstein? Exactly, back of the net.

    :rolleyes:

    A contract can't force you to do something illegal. It can, however, tell you that you're not insured or allowed to drive on a racetrack.
    Garda_boss wrote: »
    I've been to court before with rental companies and I have the scalps to prove it.

    Provide the case numbers, or you have nothing to prove anything.


  • #35
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    You do know that when you type slowly it still comes out the same on the screen genius?

    Oh really, does it now?

    :D:D:D:D


  • #36
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    Provide the case numbers, or you have nothing to prove anything.
    Nothing to prove anything? What the hell does that mean?
    And why would I show some stranger details of my legal history in the small claims court?


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  • #37
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,089 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    And why would I show some stranger details of my legal history in the small claims court?

    Hey, you're the international man of mystery who can't be traced by anybody, what have you got to fear from strangers? ;)


  • #38
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    What if your contract says you must kill 10 people and if you don't you are breaching it? Are you breaking the law then Einstein? Exactly, back of the net.
    I've been to court before with rental companies and I have the scalps to prove it.

    There are also laws related to the terms that can be included in a contract so this type of term could not be included.


  • #39
    Squirrel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭Squirrel


    I'm sure you wouldn't be insured if you breache their contract that you signed. And is driving without insurance still illegal? That's a breach of the law there. And a trip to the Ring isn't exactly cheap, either is rentalof a 525d. If I had no money I'd be delighted to be able to get the deal you got.

    Edit
    Garda_boss wrote:
    BMW 7 series from about 5 years ago. Will probably buy one in the next 6 months.

    You do know you need money to buy cars?


  • #40
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    Squirrel wrote: »
    I'm sure you wouldn't be insured if you breache their contract that you signed. And is driving without insurance still illegal? That's a breach of the law there. And a trip to the Ring isn't exactly cheap, either is rentalof a 525d. If I had no money I'd be delighted to be able to get the deal you got.
    flights: 1c return, all in
    Hotel: 30 per night
    car rental e150/5
    Nurburgring: e20 for 1 lap.

    I'm doing this weekend, brassers and all for e200. I am the thrift master.
    You do know you need money to buy cars?
    I'm a student with non taxable/ decarable income so I can afford to buy stuff but nobody can touch my money as technically I have none.


  • #41
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,089 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    flights: 1c return, all in
    Hotel: 30 per night
    car rental e150/5
    Nurburgring: e20 for 1 lap.

    I'm doing this weekend, brassers and all for e200. I am the thrift master.


    I'm a student with non taxable/ decarable income so I can afford to buy stuff but nobody can touch my money as technically I have none.

    hey, don't forget the taxes and airport charges on those flights

    And I'm sorry to hear you've lost your job as a "community policeman for travellers" in the last two hours. I'm sure you're a loss to both the community and the force.


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  • #42
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    hey, don't forget the taxes and airport charges on those flights

    And I'm sorry to hear you've lost your job as a "community policeman for travellers" in the last two hours. I'm sure you're a loss to both the community and the force.
    These flights were 1c for everthing. Saw on my cc a charge of 4c for 4 people return.
    The Garda thing was a little joke to lighten the mood here.


  • #43
    Rovi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Rovi


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    These flights were 1c for everthing. Saw on my cc a charge of 4c for 4 people return.
    The Garda thing was a little joke to lighten the mood here.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0020/sec0060.html

    :rolleyes:


  • #44
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    I just booked 3 return flights to Dublin with Ryanair for the next three weeks running, they were 1c each but the taxes & charges were €4.99 & then a €4 credit card charge per direction, total €18 return.
    I am curious as to how you avoided the credit card charge, it might make my flights even cheaper.


  • #45
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    rebel.ranter wrote: »
    I just booked 3 return flights to Dublin with Ryanair for the next three weeks running, they were 1c each but the taxes & charges were €4.99 & then a €4 credit card charge per direction, total €18 return.
    I am curious as to how you avoided the credit card charge, it might make my flights even cheaper.
    Its a bit off topic but I suppose if you are looking to fly to the Nurburgring then Ryanair do from time to time have full 1c flight deals as well as there 1c+taxes. Check bargain alerts for a heads up. You hvae to go to a differnt part of the site for it and they sell out pretty fast. We just put 20 friends names down and said you are going to Frankfurt.


  • #46
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,297 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Alun wrote: »
    I smell a troll :)
    We all do. If the smell keeps going I'll have to do something!


  • #47
    Blitzkrieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    Is it me or does every thread here turn into a flame war these days?
    rebel.ranter wrote: »
    trying to outwit the efficiency of the Germans!

    I saw lots of people taking rental cars onto the 'Ring. They don't care.


  • #48
    rabbitinlights
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭rabbitinlights


    Garda_Boss for the new motors Mod!!!


  • #49
    craichoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭craichoe


    Hey OP,

    On the high value cars, all the rental companies have satellite tracking, they will automatically know if you go on the ring. I'm living in Holland and i'm tempted to take a trip down in me own car :D Tis just over 3 hours away.

    Anyways, you just get a worldwide ban based on your passport which is required to rent the car. After an inspection for wear etc they'll just bill your credit card for the amount required to rectify the wear.

    If you cancel your card they probably won't find you, but then again you won't be renting a car from them again.

    Wouldn't really recommend it, if you did have a crash, you'd be looking at:

    A. A new BMW 525D
    B. A big bill for damage to the track
    C. A HUGE bill for track stoppage.

    You'd be looking at the bones of about 50 - 60k in the event of an accident.
    I saw lots of people taking rental cars onto the 'Ring. They don't care.

    Thats true, they don't. You just get the charge a few months later. The people on the ring don't give a toss as long as your vehicle is roadworthy.


  • #50
    Garda_boss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Garda_boss


    craichoe wrote: »
    Hey OP,

    On the high value cars, all the rental companies have satellite tracking, they will automatically know if you go on the ring. I'm living in Holland and i'm tempted to take a trip down in me own car :D Tis just over 3 hours away.

    Anyways, you just get a worldwide ban based on your passport which is required to rent the car. After an inspection for wear etc they'll just bill your credit card for the amount required to rectify the wear.

    If you cancel your card they probably won't find you, but then again you won't be renting a car from them again.

    Wouldn't really recommend it, if you did have a crash, you'd be looking at:

    A. A new BMW 525D
    B. A big bill for damage to the track
    C. A HUGE bill for track stoppage.

    You'd be looking at the bones of about 50 - 60k in the event of an accident.



    Thats true, they don't. You just get the charge a few months later. The people on the ring don't give a toss as long as your vehicle is roadworthy.
    there has only been a few incidents reported online of people actually getting charged for this sort of thing. In one incident a guy was charged 2k for brake wear and he just got his cc company to reverse the charges and that was that.


  • #51
    craichoe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭craichoe


    Garda_boss wrote: »
    there has only been a few incidents reported online of people actually getting charged for this sort of thing. In one incident a guy was charged 2k for brake wear and he just got his cc company to reverse the charges and that was that.

    Yes, because they were low value rentals, high value such as a BMW have sat tracking hence its just pops up on the system when you enter the ring. Lots of Dutch and Belgians pop down there on the weekend. Its common knowledge.

    Also with credit card companies, they don't "reverse the charges" Its called a dispute, that charge you dispute will be frozen on the card until the charge issue is resolved. Either way if your violate your contract the credit card company will look for proof and if its a valid charge then they will bill your card, they just need to see the contract you signed authorising this.

    I.E. If you authorised the transaction (which you do by signing the contract with the rental company then you get charged)
    If you didnt authorise, i.e. do not have a contract that you have signed an agreed to indicating that charge then they will cancel the transaction.

    A dispute is for charges you do not regonise or did not authorise

    This process can take 1 - 6 months.


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