Studying medicine/dentistry/veterinary in Eastern Eurpope

tallaght01 · 06-10-2009 3:47am #1

I'll stick this thread up as a sticky. It seems a popular route for Irish people to take. So, I'll leave it here and see if anyone wants to chat about it. If not I'll unsticky it if it's not used.

So, if you are, or if you're planning on, studying med,dentistry and veterinary in one of the Eastern European unis, feel free to discuss it here.

mrmeindl · 10-10-2009 12:39pm

I'm in Prague, 2nd year med, I know a few dentists out here too, If someone has any serious questions about studying here just go on ahead.

If the questions are along the lines of "my uncles cousins dog trainer friend said that Prague is ****" I wont waste the time replying.

tallaght01 · 11-10-2009 10:12am

What's the entrance process like?

Do you know any people who've finished their training and got onto training schemes in Ireland?

How do you find living there? Somewhere like prague must be pretty amazing to live in? What do you do for accommodation?

imported_guy · 13-10-2009 12:46pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

I'm in Prague, 2nd year med, I know a few dentists out here too, If someone has any serious questions about studying here just go on ahead.

If the questions are along the lines of "my uncles cousins dog trainer friend said that Prague is ****" I wont waste the time replying.

do we need to know their language for the clinicals? or can we transfer to somewhere like UCC UCD etc, or some carbien schools after the first 2 years?

sam34 · 20-10-2009 4:40pm

ok guys, we dont need jibes and sniping here.
i've deleted a few posts, please keep the thread on topic from now on.

mrmeindl · 23-10-2009 12:50pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

What's the entrance process like?

Do you know any people who've finished their training and got onto training schemes in Ireland?

How do you find living there? Somewhere like prague must be pretty amazing to live in? What do you do for accommodation?

Entrance process for most of the facultys is mostly the same; Entrance exam at A level standard in Physics, Biology and Chemistry, sometimes there's an interview I believe, I didn't have one. They also look at your LC results, I dont think they really care. I repeated once back home, didn't get in and I was not interested in repeating again. Its (relatively) easy to get in but its sure as hell not easy to stay in. Attrition rate is very high, eg 64 in first year in 07-08 there's less than 30 in 3rd year now.

There are 2 lads who did their GP training in the UK; one is doing the locum thing at the moment, not sure about the other. One lad graduated last year from the 1st Fac and is in FY1 in Scotland at the mo because of nepotism bull**** he couldn’t get a place for his internship back home. Hopefully I’ll manage to get an internship in Ireland, don’t really fancy spending 2 years in the UK.
Prague itself is a deadly city; it’s a completely different experience to studying at home in Dublin. Most of the people in my faculty are Scandinavians so you get to know people all over the world and you end up with some pretty cool places to visit during the summer if you can. Nightclubs don’t close till around 6 on average, and drink is dirt cheap. Being that we don’t go out as much as our counterparts in the motherland because of the amount of tests/exams we have.
We(all the paddys at least) rent apartments, rent is pretty similar to what a student back home will pay but the apartment will be a hell of a lot nicer than the student houses i’ve crashed in back home. I pay roughly €80-90 per week.

imported_guy wrote: »

do we need to know their language for the clinicals? or can we transfer to somewhere like UCC UCD etc, or some carbien schools after the first 2 years?

You need to have sufficient czech by third year to be able to ask the patients questions. You have 2 czech classes a week in 1st thru 3rd year. I'm not aware of anyone who's transferred back to Ireland, there is a the odd transfer between the different facultys. People who fail tend to go transfer somewhere easier eg Poland.

Aren't the carribean schools the joke places where the degree is only accepted in Zimbabwe?

Anthony16 · 25-10-2009 1:38pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

Entrance process for most of the facultys is mostly the same; Entrance exam at A level standard in Physics, Biology and Chemistry, sometimes there's an interview I believe, I didn't have one. They also look at your LC results, I dont think they really care. I repeated once back home, didn't get in and I was not interested in repeating again. Its (relatively) easy to get in but its sure as hell not easy to stay in. Attrition rate is very high, eg 64 in first year in 07-08 there's less than 30 in 3rd year now.

There are 2 lads who did their GP training in the UK; one is doing the locum thing at the moment, not sure about the other. One lad graduated last year from the 1st Fac and is in FY1 in Scotland at the mo because of nepotism bull**** he couldn’t get a place for his internship back home. Hopefully I’ll manage to get an internship in Ireland, don’t really fancy spending 2 years in the UK.
Prague itself is a deadly city; it’s a completely different experience to studying at home in Dublin. Most of the people in my faculty are Scandinavians so you get to know people all over the world and you end up with some pretty cool places to visit during the summer if you can. Nightclubs don’t close till around 6 on average, and drink is dirt cheap. Being that we don’t go out as much as our counterparts in the motherland because of the amount of tests/exams we have.
We(all the paddys at least) rent apartments, rent is pretty similar to what a student back home will pay but the apartment will be a hell of a lot nicer than the student houses i’ve crashed in back home. I pay roughly €80-90 per week.

You need to have sufficient czech by third year to be able to ask the patients questions. You have 2 czech classes a week in 1st thru 3rd year. I'm not aware of anyone who's transferred back to Ireland, there is a the odd transfer between the different facultys. People who fail tend to go transfer somewhere easier eg Poland.

Aren't the carribean schools the joke places where the degree is only accepted in Zimbabwe?

How many paddys are in your faculty?

mrmeindl · 26-10-2009 9:54pm

Anthony16 wrote: »

How many paddys are in your faculty?

9 and we have 1 or 2 people who come from Ireland but aren't Irish. There's roughly another 12 between the other 2 Fac's and dentists.

Anthony16 · 28-10-2009 7:53pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

9 and we have 1 or 2 people who come from Ireland but aren't Irish. There's roughly another 12 between the other 2 Fac's and dentists.

And is the degree accepted in the US?Do you know of anyone who is doing residency there having completed medicine in prague?I ask this as irealise that if i do medicine in eastern europe i most likely wont be able to return to ireland or the uk

src · 03-11-2009 7:49pm

Anthony16 wrote: »

And is the degree accepted in the US?Do you know of anyone who is doing residency there having completed medicine in prague?I ask this as irealise that if i do medicine in eastern europe i most likely wont be able to return to ireland or the uk

I know that medical degrees from Hungary are accepted in Ireland, in the UK and in the US as well.

Also, as far as I know, Norway now does not train medical doctors in Norway, but they send the students to Hungarian Medical Schools. (to Budapest and Debrecen)

Anthony16 · 03-11-2009 7:55pm

src wrote: »

I know that medical degrees from Hungary are accepted in Ireland, in the UK and in the US as well.

Also, as far as I know, Norway now does not train medical doctors in Norway, but they send the students to Hungarian Medical Schools. (to Budapest and Debrecen)

Where did you find this info?Are you in a foreign medical school?Thanks:)

Sitric · 04-11-2009 5:34pm

There are four medical schools in Norway: Oslo, Bergen, Tromso and Trondheim. There may be one in Stavanger too but i'm not sure.

mrmeindl · 04-11-2009 10:49pm

Anthony16 wrote: »

And is the degree accepted in the US?

Yes. You still have to do usmle's and the step 1&2, the same applies if you come from an irish college.

Anthony16 wrote: »

Do you know of anyone who is doing residency there having completed medicine in prague?

Yes.

Anthony16 wrote: »

I ask this as irealise that if i do medicine in eastern europe i most likely wont be able to return to ireland or the uk

I'm definitely coming home after, as are most of the paddys here. Its news to me that I wont be able to work in Ireland. I'm prepared to bring people to court for the sake of fairness if I'm not able to secure an internship in Ireland.

mrmeindl · 04-11-2009 10:53pm

src wrote: »

I know that medical degrees from Hungary are accepted in Ireland, in the UK and in the US as well.

They'd be accepted to the same level as any other degree from an EU country.

src wrote: »

Also, as far as I know, Norway now does not train medical doctors in Norway,

100% incorrect

src wrote: »

but they send the students

Wrong again. Norway does not "send" students abroad to study the students simply apply to whatever college that is recognised and they get the same amount of government support as their colleagues studying in Norway.

src wrote: »

to Hungarian Medical Schools. (to Budapest and Debrecen)

There's a lot in Prague, Hradec Kralove, Brno, Plzen, and Poland too.

Pete4779 · 04-11-2009 11:01pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

I'm definitely coming home after, as are most of the paddys here. Its news to me that I wont be able to work in Ireland. I'm prepared to bring people to court for the sake of fairness if I'm not able to secure an internship in Ireland.

You will be able to work in Ireland but finding a job may be another issue.

http://www.medicalcouncil.ie/registration/firsttime2_internship.asp#2

It's pretty straightforward from above to register for Intern on the new Trainee Specialist register. That is *only* valid for Internship. As you can see, they have different procedures from Irish medical schools and EU/EEA schools. There are far more graduates from the five schools than places. If you are planning on returning to Ireland I would recommend doing observerships, etc., here as much as possible.

As such, there is no "right" to internship and so you will be suing no-one

. Basically, you will be competing for spots against local graduates who will have relevant local experience. This makes it similar to the US and why people in Carribean schools do electives, etc., in the US to improve their CV.

If you get fully registered in another EU state however, you could then look to transfer that to Ireland if you get a place on a speciality training scheme. The new Medical Practitioners Act has made things much more ....comprehensive....(!) then before, and registration will be much more regulated, and for what purpose, etc., .

mrmeindl · 04-11-2009 11:34pm

Pete4779 wrote: »

You will be able to work in Ireland but finding a job may be another issue.

http://www.medicalcouncil.ie/registration/firsttime2_internship.asp#2

It's pretty straightforward from above to register for Intern on the new Trainee Specialist register. That is *only* valid for Internship. As you can see, they have different procedures from Irish medical schools and EU/EEA schools. There are far more graduates from the five schools than places. If you are planning on returning to Ireland I would recommend doing observerships, etc., here as much as possible.

I have to do certain amount to practices in the summer between the years eg in 4th-5h I have 2 weeks surgery and 3 weeks of something else so I'll have built up a bit of experience in Irish hospitals so it wont be entirely Czech Republic on my CV,

Pete4779 wrote: »

As such, there is no "right" to internship and so you will be suing no-one . Basically, you will be competing for spots against local graduates who will have relevant local experience.

I'd just be suing if I got the slightest hint that nepotism was involved

Pete4779 wrote: »

If you get fully registered in another EU state however, you could then look to transfer that to Ireland if you get a place on a speciality training scheme.

I've thought about that, Its a long way off and it all depends on what I want to do, however GP looks most likely at the mo so I'd much rather do that in Ireland. However I haven't done/seen much stuff so far so god knows where I'll end up or what I'll be doing...one plan is to learn norwegian and to move to norway with a blonde aryan!

briankirby · 06-11-2009 6:46pm

Hi!
I was just wondering if its possible for graduates to apply to charles?Do they still have to do the same entrance exam and same amount of years?
Also,is it possible to do your roatations in the US and uk in 6th year in prague?I know you have to pay for this but is it possible??
And,if u dont mind me askin,were you a 550+er first time round in the leavin?The reason i ask is becos the attrition rate is so high and im wondering what standard of student would be required for med there.Thank you:)

mrmeindl · 06-11-2009 8:20pm

briankirby wrote: »

Hi!
I was just wondering if its possible for graduates to apply to charles? Do they still have to do the same entrance exam and same amount of years?

Yes you do the entrance exam like everyone else, if you studied a something like pharmacy/science before you might get a waiver for some subjects.

briankirby wrote: »

Also,is it possible to do your roatations in the US and uk in 6th year in prague?I know you have to pay for this but is it possible??

Yes to both however it is very expensive to do them in the US...we're talking 5k for a few weeks! The UK dont charge (Well they didn't charge a 5th year for 5 weeks of it this summer after 4th year) Irish hospitals charge too but we're talking hundreds of euro not thousands. If you're not an EU citizen I presume it gets expensive.

briankirby wrote: »

And,if u dont mind me askin,were you a 550+er first time round in the leavin?The reason i ask is becos the attrition rate is so high and im wondering what standard of student would be required for med there.Thank you:)

Yes I was narrowly off the points when I did the LC for the second time, couldn't be bothered to repeat again. Another example, one lad got 600 points deferred RCSI and decided to stay and give up his place in ireland.

There's a lot of reasons why the attrition rate is so high, very difficult exams that decide if you can go into the next year, some of which luck is a important factor because if you get the wrong examiners/nasty questions it can really ruin your day(you do get multiple attempts but it depends on when you take it..ie take one of the last dates and you only get one chance) There's also the factor that people get homesick/realise medicine isn't for them and drop out. If you got 550 points you'll manage fine as long as you put the work in. There's people with less points than that who are getting on fine and there's people with more.

Anthony16 · 06-11-2009 10:00pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

Yes you do the entrance exam like everyone else, if you studied a something like pharmacy/science before you might get a waiver for some subjects.

Yes to both however it is very expensive to do them in the US...we're talking 5k for a few weeks! The UK dont charge (Well they didn't charge a 5th year for 5 weeks of it this summer after 4th year) Irish hospitals charge too but we're talking hundreds of euro not thousands. If you're not an EU citizen I presume it gets expensive.

Yes I was narrowly off the points when I did the LC for the second time, couldn't be bothered to repeat again. Another example, one lad got 600 points deferred RCSI and decided to stay and give up his place in ireland.

There's a lot of reasons why the attrition rate is so high, very difficult exams that decide if you can go into the next year, some of which luck is a important factor because if you get the wrong examiners/nasty questions it can really ruin your day(you do get multiple attempts but it depends on when you take it..ie take one of the last dates and you only get one chance) There's also the factor that people get homesick/realise medicine isn't for them and drop out. If you got 550 points you'll manage fine as long as you put the work in. There's people with less points than that who are getting on fine and there's people with more.

Wow,i never knew the US colleges wanted that much.Its pretty steep!Uk seems a more viable option but have people graduating fom eastern europe found it difficult to get onto training schemes there?Getting onto a training scheme after graduatin is the only thing thats stopping me from going abroad:(

mrmeindl · 06-11-2009 10:16pm

Anthony16 wrote: »

Wow,i never knew the US colleges wanted that much.Its pretty steep!Uk seems a more viable option but have people graduating fom eastern europe found it difficult to get onto training schemes there?Getting onto a training scheme after graduatin is the only thing thats stopping me from going abroad:(

If medicine is definitely what you want if would definitely say go to the czech republic if you can afford it. Fees are around 10-13k a year depending on which faculty because the fees are set in euros/czech crowns/dollars in each one. The main problem you'll have after graduation is securing an internship to get your foot in the door, if ireland being the way it is closes the door there's always the UK. If you really want to study in ireland and are willing to be in the seemingly endless loop of repeating(I dont know much about the new sytem for medicine) fair enough, I just wanted to study medicine so I went out here.

Dont you just love college...friday night in with a physiology book peridoically interupped by internetting!

Anthony16 · 06-11-2009 11:25pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

If medicine is definitely what you want if would definitely say go to the czech republic if you can afford it. Fees are around 10-13k a year depending on which faculty because the fees are set in euros/czech crowns/dollars in each one. The main problem you'll have after graduation is securing an internship to get your foot in the door, if ireland being the way it is closes the door there's always the UK. If you really want to study in ireland and are willing to be in the seemingly endless loop of repeating(I dont know much about the new sytem for medicine) fair enough, I just wanted to study medicine so I went out here.

Dont you just love college...friday night in with a physiology book peridoically interupped by internetting!

Ha,im in a similar situation tonight!:pac:
Yeah,my parents can affoard it but i just want to be sure i can pay them back.Theyv already put a lot of effort into turning me from a dosser into a serious student,so i i want to be able to pay them bk for the fees(gettin onto a training scheme)
Ahh,choices choices choices...............

tallaght01 · 07-11-2009 12:32am

Anthony16 wrote: »

Ha,im in a similar situation tonight!:pac:
Yeah,my parents can affoard it but i just want to be sure i can pay them back.Theyv already put a lot of effort into turning me from a dosser into a serious student,so i i want to be able to pay them bk for the fees(gettin onto a training scheme)
Ahh,choices choices choices...............

It is PURELY out of date anecdote....but when I worked in the UK, one of the other docs had 3 mates who graduated from Prague. He told me they couldn't get on training schemes. Now, a lot of people don't get on training schemes, in fairness, plus it was a few years ago, so hard to know.

It should be easy enough to find out of there are any Eastern European graduates on surgical/paeds/medical specialty training schemes.

I would say you will face some barriers, but they are unlikely to be insurmountable. A lot of people feel the standards in med school, and of entry to med school, are falling, so a traditional hardcore non-PBL degree with a high attrition rate might be attractive to some employers.

Tevez101 · 08-11-2009 1:40pm

tallaght01 wrote: »

I'll stick this thread up as a sticky. It seems a popular route for Irish people to take. So, I'll leave it here and see if anyone wants to chat about it. If not I'll unsticky it if it's not used.

So, if you are, or if you're planning on, studying med,dentistry and veterinary in one of the Eastern European unis, feel free to discuss it here.

Hi, my friend got 460 in his leaving, and got a B1 in Chemistry and a B3 in Physics...

He's wondering if he would be eligble to study medecine over in budapest?

Anthony16 · 08-11-2009 2:27pm

Tevez101 wrote: »

Hi, my friend got 460 in his leaving, and got a B1 in Chemistry and a B3 in Physics...

He's wondering if he would be eligble to study medecine over in budapest?

I think you need at least 500 pts for med in budapest and the entrance exam consists of biology and chem but try contactin tim o leary who is their rep in ireland.
Hope this helps

briankirby · 27-11-2009 6:41pm

mrmeindl wrote: »

Yes you do the entrance exam like everyone else, if you studied a something like pharmacy/science before you might get a waiver for some subjects.

Yes to both however it is very expensive to do them in the US...we're talking 5k for a few weeks! The UK dont charge (Well they didn't charge a 5th year for 5 weeks of it this summer after 4th year) Irish hospitals charge too but we're talking hundreds of euro not thousands. If you're not an EU citizen I presume it gets expensive.

Yes I was narrowly off the points when I did the LC for the second time, couldn't be bothered to repeat again. Another example, one lad got 600 points deferred RCSI and decided to stay and give up his place in ireland.

There's a lot of reasons why the attrition rate is so high, very difficult exams that decide if you can go into the next year, some of which luck is a important factor because if you get the wrong examiners/nasty questions it can really ruin your day(you do get multiple attempts but it depends on when you take it..ie take one of the last dates and you only get one chance) There's also the factor that people get homesick/realise medicine isn't for them and drop out. If you got 550 points you'll manage fine as long as you put the work in. There's people with less points than that who are getting on fine and there's people with more.

Is the degree from charles a 1st class honours degree,so since a pass is 70% or is it given the same status as any other medicine degree??

mrmeindl · 30-11-2009 6:31pm

briankirby wrote: »

Is the degree from charles a 1st class honours degree,so since a pass is 70% or is it given the same status as any other medicine degree??

We dont have 1st/2nd class honours, only distinctions and a pass.

13.A student shall graduate with distinctions if:
▪ the average mark from the 1st to the 5th year of study did not drop below 1.2,
▪ no part of her/his state examination was resat,
▪ he received no “dobře” (good) grades, [= B]
▪ the overall result of her/his State Examination was “excellent” (1).
If the student received a “good” grade in one subject from the 1st to the 5th year of study, the Dean may allow a resit upon the student’s request.”

The minimum pass for all subjects is always 70%, sometimes its higher, eg. in first year we had to get 87 to pass genetics.

heywood100 · 09-02-2010 7:08pm

Anthony16 wrote: »

I think you need at least 500 pts for med in budapest and the entrance exam consists of biology and chem but try contactin tim o leary who is their rep in ireland.
Hope this helps

do you or anyone else have contact details for Tim O'Leary?

Don Keypunch · 09-02-2010 7:25pm

International programmes in English in a range of professional qualification are also available at Budapest University. Enquiries to Mr. T. J. O'Leary, MVB MRCVS, at ‘Fastnet View House', Gubbeen, Schull, Co. Cork, tel: 028-28197. Website address:

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/2004/0501/ruralliving/countrylifestyle/careerprofiles.shtml

briankirby · 09-02-2010 10:51pm

heywood100 wrote: »

do you or anyone else have contact details for Tim O'Leary?

Are u considering med or vet there?

etymon · 10-02-2010 1:34pm

My Dad has some apartments in Sczezcin, Poland (quite possibly the incorrect spelling!) and he rents to Scandinavian students who go to the med school there. Not sure what its calibre is but it's a nice little city near Berlin with good nightlife and DIRT CHEAP to live in.
Just in case anyone is unaware of it.

EDIT: link to some conversation about the school http://www.valuemd.com/pomeranian-medical-university/128908-pomerania-medical-university-szczecin-poland.html

EducationFinder · 03-04-2010 11:28pm

Are the points any different in places like Eastern Europe

briankirby · 03-04-2010 11:36pm

EducationFinder wrote: »

Are the points any different in places like Eastern Europe

520 for budapest-medicine-plus a good entrance exam.500 for other places in hungary.
Dont think the czech republic care much bout points though

mad al · 05-04-2010 11:11pm

Do you mind me asking you what points did you have in the leaving cert and have you heard of anyone who has been accepted with around 400 points?

briankirby · 06-04-2010 11:22am

mad al wrote: »

Do you mind me asking you what points did you have in the leaving cert and have you heard of anyone who has been accepted with around 400 points?

Well,im not in a med school but i did my leaving lst yr and got 575 but missed out on a place.If u are good at biology and chem(at least a2 standard in the leaving)and study them hard then you may be able to get into one of the other hungarian unis(szeged or pecs).I know 1 or 2 irish ppl studying at these unis so i can put u in contact if u want.Bear in mind though,that drop out rates are very high and its not a degree that u can just "buy" lik a lot of ppl think

mad al · 07-04-2010 12:53am

Thanks very much for the reply. However I think I am just going to continue with my current biomed degree and thinks about the GAMSAT exam after that. I think this course will give me a good basis for graduate entry medicine. I dont think I am at a high enough level yet. Thanks again.

JohnPaulM · 11-04-2010 2:25am

What universities in Eastern Europe teach medicine in English?

Are all entrees based on Leaving Cert points?

Are there usually any other prerequisites?

Do any of them use the GAMSAT system?

Thank you : )

Alibear · 22-04-2010 10:52pm

Anyone studying veterinary in Eastern Europe, with some helpful websites for dates for entrance exams etc.?

ant043 · 21-05-2010 2:59pm

anyone going to budapest this year for medicine ?

euroafrican09 · 25-05-2010 11:16am

hey,

there are a few fibs going on here about medicine in Hungary and needing 500 points+ to get in etc.... i got 420 and have no science background and just sat the entrance exam there last week... granted i am a graduate from arts and i sat the gamsat in march too.... i studied alot for the exam and did OK i felt.

LC is not the b all and end all if you really want to do medicine and didn't get the 600 point necessary dont throw in the towel so many options available to you.

also gamsat is not accepted here just the entrance exam that they set and then a interview which lasts about 25 mins where they ask you more questions on chem and biology and about yourself, reasons for studying and why you wanna be a doctor etc..

here is the student union website and the english program website links

http://isas.hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2249&Itemid=275

http://www.semmelweis-english-program.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=66&limit=1&limitstart=2

hope all this helps and clears up some stuff !!!

euroafrican09 · 25-05-2010 11:17am

hey anto yeah think i am waiting on letter of acceptance from them how about yourself you get the nod already?

ant043 · 25-05-2010 5:24pm

euroafrican09 wrote: »

hey anto yeah think i am waiting on letter of acceptance from them how about yourself you get the nod already?

yep finishing off a radiography degree this year so was accepted without entrance exam. I'm not sure what i'm doing yet but i think i'm going to wait a year. Hopefully i do well enough in the gamsat in september to get into UK or Ireland.

euroafrican09 · 26-05-2010 4:04pm

was thinking the same myself but to be honest i think im gonna start in sept in hungary and sit gamsat too... bit tough but might be worth it! have you sat gamsat already? any body else starting in 2010 out there for medicine?

ant043 · 26-05-2010 4:13pm

euroafrican09 wrote: »

was thinking the same myself but to be honest i think im gonna start in sept in hungary and sit gamsat too... bit tough but might be worth it! have you sat gamsat already? any body else starting in 2010 out there for medicine?

No i never sat Gamsat before. I was thinking of doing something similar but i can't really afford to be throwing away 10000 if i get in next year.

Don Keypunch · 27-05-2010 2:07pm

euroafrican09 wrote: »

hey,

granted i am a graduate from arts and i sat the gamsat in march too.... i studied alot for the exam and did OK i felt.

How did you get on in the GAMSAT?

euroafrican09 · 27-05-2010 6:08pm

ant043 wrote: »

No i never sat Gamsat before. I was thinking of doing something similar but i can't really afford to be throwing away 10000 if i get in next year.

fair enough but bit risky if you dont get it... you have to wait for sep 2011 which is a full year... sure whatever you think!!! recommend the guru method study manuals for it and the grad med revision course dont bother with the english section of it though.... thought it was the biggest waste of money and time your man who does it is an eejit as well..!!

euroafrican09 · 27-05-2010 6:09pm

Don Keypunch wrote: »

How did you get on in the GAMSAT?

got 50 thought the exam went awful on the day for me and was expecting a fail couldnt believe i even passed!!!

AnBealBocht · 06-06-2010 10:43pm

ant043 wrote: »

anyone going to budapest this year for medicine ?

Enlighten me guys: In my day ( M.B., B.Ch., B.A.O., UCD x 1968) the medical schools in Ireland graduated approx. 500 new doctors of Medicine/year. THEN the Republic could absorb about 120 of these graduates. The rest of us ( including myself>>>USA>>NYC>>>Phoenix, AZ) went abroad ( &, in my case, remained abroad.)
What is different today?. Can Ireland now absorb & provide a living for all its Medical Schools graduates. ( How many now/year?) If NOT, why go abroad to Eastern Europe ( Hungary seems to be the most popular, Why?) to study Medicine?.
Gura maith agaibh, a chara.

MicraBoy · 07-06-2010 10:01am

AnBealBocht wrote: »

Enlighten me guys: In my day ( M.B., B.Ch., B.A.O., UCD x 1968) the medical schools in Ireland graduated approx. 500 new doctors of Medicine/year. THEN the Republic could absorb about 120 of these graduates. The rest of us ( including myself>>>USA>>NYC>>>Phoenix, AZ) went abroad ( &, in my case, remained abroad.)
What is different today?. Can Ireland now absorb & provide a living for all its Medical Schools graduates. ( How many now/year?) If NOT, why go abroad to Eastern Europe ( Hungary seems to be the most popular, Why?) to study Medicine?.
Gura maith agaibh, a chara.

Check out the Fottrell report for more info on the numbers involved!

imported_guy · 07-06-2010 9:18pm

AnBealBocht wrote: »

Enlighten me guys: In my day ( M.B., B.Ch., B.A.O., UCD x 1968) the medical schools in Ireland graduated approx. 500 new doctors of Medicine/year. THEN the Republic could absorb about 120 of these graduates. The rest of us ( including myself>>>USA>>NYC>>>Phoenix, AZ) went abroad ( &, in my case, remained abroad.)

ratio is pretty much still the same i would imagine

AnBealBocht wrote: »

What is different today?.

the reasons you went abroad for probably are still there, i.e crappy training, long training, crappy training conditions

AnBealBocht wrote: »

Can Ireland now absorb & provide a living for all its Medical Schools graduates.

no

AnBealBocht wrote: »

If NOT, why go abroad to Eastern Europe ( Hungary seems to be the most popular, Why?) to study Medicine?.

because they want to become doctors one way or another.... their goal is probably becoming a doctor rather than living in ireland for ever.

hungary has some of the best medschools in the world + im not sure about hungary exactly but poland/bulgaria etc are dirt cheap, cheaper than say big 4 carib.(SABA, SGU, ROSS, AUC)

there arent that many countries that dont need foreign doctors, most countries do, in ireland we need them because they dont care if they have crappy working conditions, they had worse in their home country

in america you need them to fill primary care spots, most USMGs avoid FM, IM, psych, paeds etc like the plague, unless they want to land prestigous fellowships or actually get prestigous residencies (harvard/john hopkins etc etc), thats why you'll never come across an irish dermatologist in america

, there are about 30 derma spots in all of america, and when a IMG/FMG gets that derma spot, you can bet he's the PD's son/daughter/brother/cousin etc etc

so how come you havent been deported from arizona yet...? snap :P

ant043 · 14-06-2010 5:53pm

Hi guys

Just wondering if there any other people from boards planning to study in Budapest ?

euroafrican09 · 15-06-2010 1:36pm

hey anto heading in sept myself for medicine! you heading over yourself?

Studying medicine/dentistry/veterinary in Eastern Eurpope

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