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N7 - Newlands Cross upgrade

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd


    NSAman wrote: »
    When the hell are they going to take down those stupid 60kph signs. NO ONE drives there at 60.. if you do you are holding up traffic.
    When the roadworks are finished :). There is still a temporary speed limit in force, I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    terrydel wrote: »
    Not if they actually stop behind the set of lights they should be stopping behind if you ask me!

    The last video i'll post here until i get an accident on camera (fingers crossed there are no accidents).
    In this one a taxi sitting behind me in at the lights can't wait any longer, goes into the bus lane as he is entitled to do and then carries on regardless!!! A flash of my lights causes him momentarily to question himself but then away he goes when the red lights on the far side turn green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    spacetweek wrote: »
    It's easy to see how they could when you look at the video.

    The other set of lights are a good 60 -70 metres away. Have you encountered many junctions where your movements are controlled by lights that far away?

    And why would they override the red lights right beside where you're stopped?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    The other set of lights are a good 60 -70 metres away. Have you encountered many junctions where your movements are controlled by lights that far away?

    And why would they override the red lights right beside where you're stopped?

    On the video I cannot see a stop line and the bus lane carries on where as some break would be expected if there was a stop line. While many people are idiots, if this is happening more often than usual it can indicate a design fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    ardmacha wrote: »
    On the video I cannot see a stop line and the bus lane carries on where as some break would be expected if there was a stop line. While many people are idiots, if this is happening more often than usual it can indicate a design fault.

    In the last video when the taxi brakes for the first time is where new traffic lights are going to be along with the stop line.
    While they are tidying up the last of the works they have moved the temporary lights/stop here on red sign gradually nearer to the new light position.

    I think the people breaking the lights use that junction every morning and know they could be waiting for up to 3 mins for the green to come back on so can't be bothered waiting and just plough on through


  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Geogregor


    ardmacha wrote: »
    On the video I cannot see a stop line and the bus lane carries on where as some break would be expected if there was a stop line. While many people are idiots, if this is happening more often than usual it can indicate a design fault.

    Taxi driver must know the area well, he is jumping the red just because he chooses so.

    Having said that, the lights could be positioned a bit better., How about having lights above the roadway? Most lights in Poland or in the US are suspended above the road. It makes them more visible and situation clearer.

    Is it just temporary layout or permanent one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    ardmacha wrote: »
    On the video I cannot see a stop line and the bus lane carries on where as some break would be expected if there was a stop line. While many people are idiots, if this is happening more often than usual it can indicate a design fault.

    There are lights on either side of the road, accompanied by 2 large orange "stop here on red" signs. You'd have to try really hard to miss them. There arent any other lights to dilute them so at night the ig red lights are especially noticeable. If a line on the road is needed to get people to stop then they shouldnt be driving, their observation skills arent up to it.



    Maybe finnharpsboy will stick a clip up of the approach if its handy?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Geogregor wrote: »
    Having said that, the lights could be positioned a bit better., How about having lights above the roadway? Most lights in Poland or in the US are suspended above the road. It makes them more visible and situation clearer.

    Is it just temporary layout or permanent one?
    It is temporary so no need for overhead lights. Sometimes we have those for permanent ones.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 313 ✭✭gilly0512


    The quality of the surface where you come onto the N7 southbound is still quite poor, they still haven't 'blended' in the two surfaces, for want of a better word. Also am I alone in thinking that there should be more of a filter lane to allow you to merge with the southbound N7 traffic, I know they're not finished yet, but from what I can see it doesn't look like you'll have much of a filter lane before merging with the N7.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    gilly2308 wrote: »
    The quality of the surface where you come onto the N7 southbound is still quite poor, they still haven't 'blended' in the two surfaces, for want of a better word. Also am I alone in thinking that there should be more of a filter lane to allow you to merge with the southbound N7 traffic, I know they're not finished yet, but from what I can see it doesn't look like you'll have much of a filter lane before merging with the N7.

    Yea I thought the same


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    There are lights on either side of the road, accompanied by 2 large orange "stop here on red" signs. You'd have to try really hard to miss them. There arent any other lights to dilute them so at night the ig red lights are especially noticeable. If a line on the road is needed to get people to stop then they shouldnt be driving, their observation skills arent up to it.



    Maybe finnharpsboy will stick a clip up of the approach if its handy?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP



    OK - I'll just throw it out there, and I know I'll get jumped on, but I agree a stop line at the lights would solve this problem.

    There is some sort of dashed line at about 8 seconds into this vid, which is where the lights currently are, but if you look at 11 seconds there is a proper stop line. This is what is probably drawing people in.

    My guess is people are cruising up to this and then the only lights they see are waaaaay the hell across the other side so presume these are the ones that are controlling them.

    I know, I know, people should read the bloody signs, but it's a bit of a quare set-up.

    I know it's a temporary set-up, but they could burn off the temp stop line when everything is done.

    Simples.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    OK - I'll just throw it out there, and I know I'll get jumped on, but I agree a stop line at the lights would solve this problem.

    There is some sort of dashed line at about 8 seconds into this vid, which is where the lights currently are, but if you look at 11 seconds there is a proper stop line. This is what is probably drawing people in.

    My guess is people are cruising up to this and then the only lights they see are waaaaay the hell across the other side so presume these are the ones that are controlling them.

    I know, I know, people should read the bloody signs, but it's a bit of a quare set-up.

    I know it's a temporary set-up, but they could burn off the temp stop line when everything is done.

    Simples.:rolleyes:

    it is a quare set up at the minute seeing as those lights and stop here on red signs are being moved closer to the permanent new set seen at 11 seconds into the clip, moving a little closer each day, so i can see why they dont have a temporary stop line in place.

    If theres no stop line at red lights/ stop sign, you should stop at the lights/sign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    Temp stop lights now less than 10 metres from the permanent position they will occupy when the works are complete


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Does stop here on red sign without a stop line comply with legal requirements? They should have a stop line, then no need for a sign.
    This does say a lot about the management of Irish roadworks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    ardmacha wrote: »
    Does stop here on red sign without a stop line comply with legal requirements? They should have a stop line, then no need for a sign.
    This does say a lot about the management of Irish roadworks.

    As long as the light is red you should stop at the light if there is no line as per the rules of the road.

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    Can't be long left now until it's finished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    OK - I'll just throw it out there, and I know I'll get jumped on, but I agree a stop line at the lights would solve this problem.

    There is some sort of dashed line at about 8 seconds into this vid, which is where the lights currently are, but if you look at 11 seconds there is a proper stop line. This is what is probably drawing people in.

    My guess is people are cruising up to this and then the only lights they see are waaaaay the hell across the other side so presume these are the ones that are controlling them.

    I know, I know, people should read the bloody signs, but it's a bit of a quare set-up.

    I know it's a temporary set-up, but they could burn off the temp stop line when everything is done.

    Simples.:rolleyes:

    So what do they think the red lights are for? Have you ever come to a set of red lights and thought "these clearly dont apply to me, surely its the ones up the road"?

    The signs are only in addition. If you come up to a red light, you stop. What else would you do at a red light?

    and if they are missing bright red lights on either side of the road, as well as big orange signs, why would they see a line on the road?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,058 ✭✭✭finnharpsboy


    The new lights set up at Newlands Cross approaching from Belgard Road...



  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Cap1


    There's still alot of people jumping the reds on the belgard side.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Cap1 wrote: »
    There's still alot of people just jumping the reads on the belgard side.

    Yep, just thru it, coming from red cow side turning onto fonthill road. 2 clowns jumped from belgard side as I was about to move off.
    Its pure stupidity at this stage, nothing else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭Cap1


    There is 6 traffic signal between the straight ahead and the right turn lanes how can you not see them.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Timelapse done :
    Video


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,516 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    is there a downloadable version available anywhere?

    Scrap the cap!



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is there a downloadable version available anywhere?
    Just use a browser "add-on" to download the youtube video, there are many to choose from.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    is there a downloadable version available anywhere?

    Are you trying to download my video?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,516 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well I won't if you'd rather I didn't!

    Just for my own use, something I might want to look at again in a few years' time, youtube videos have a habit of disappearing unfortunately.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Well I won't if you'd rather I didn't!

    Just for my own use, something I might want to look at again in a few years' time, youtube videos have a habit of disappearing unfortunately.
    I suppose that's fine, but I won't be removing it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭Go Harvey Go


    spacetweek wrote: »
    I suppose that's fine, but I won't be removing it!

    I think the disappearing videos that Hotblack Desiato was talking about were the ones that are pulled due to copyright claims... :o:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭smokie72


    Without fail anytime I come from the red cow side turning right onto the fonthill road a few cars from the belgard road jump the lights. Had to sound the horn on a couple of occasions. If this isn't sorted somebody is going to have an accident sooner or later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    smokie72 wrote: »
    Without fail anytime I come from the red cow side turning right onto the fonthill road a few cars from the belgard road jump the lights. Had to sound the horn on a couple of occasions. If this isn't sorted somebody is going to have an accident sooner or later.

    Spot on. That's a turn I take almost daily and you are dead right, its far too frequently happening and it will end up in an accident if it's not sorted.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    terrydel wrote: »
    Spot on. That's a turn I take almost daily and you are dead right, its far too frequently happening and it will end up in an accident if it's not sorted.
    Are there still active roadworks around there? Why on earth do people think they don't have to stop at red lights?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Are there still active roadworks around there? Why on earth do people think they don't have to stop at red lights?

    No active roadworks, at most they are tidying up pedestrian areas.
    It baffles me why people are struggling with it, but its clearly an issue.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    What outstanding works on this whole project are left? Is the tie-in westbound on the south side still to be done?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭rameire


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Is the tie-in westbound on the south side still to be done?

    I think that was done over the last week, they have the barriers done now and are just on the tidy up in that area.

    the whole thing is 99.99% done.

    I even think most, if not all of the walls are done.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Email received:

    "I can confirm that the works at Newlands Cross are substantially complete, however, snagging of the works and a general tidying up of the works area is still ongoing. This should be complete by end of May."


  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭smokie72


    They had one of those go safe vans at about 1pm outside the fire station on the belgard road catching people coming up from the newlands cross. Better watch the speed folks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Just thru it on the way home there, coming from red cow direction onto fonthill road. Again, a car on Belgard Road side jumps early. This will lead to an accident, is that what it will take before they actually address the issue?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Anyone else find the section where the turnoff from Fonthill Road (going past Joels and the Fitzgerald Hotel) merges with the new flyover traffic, to be very dodgy?
    The is little or no area in which to build up some speed and a lot of the traffic merging needs to cross right over to the right, crossing 3 lanes.
    Its an awful setup imho, and I'd be amazed if it doesn't lead to an accident, tho hopefully not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Trying to get into the M50 southbound lane is as tricky as ever. All it needs is for someone to miss a tiny ghost island and crash!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Bummer1234


    Trying to get into the M50 southbound lane is as tricky as ever. All it needs is for someone to miss a tiny ghost island and crash!

    Whats tricky about staying in the middle lane back abit on the N7 Going eastbound,You don't require to move into the lane at the last second!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    Whats tricky about staying in the middle lane back abit on the N7 Going eastbound,You don't require to move into the lane at the last second!

    Actually, you do.

    You move into a left lane with only a 5m ghost island preventing the traffic on the lane inside you running straight into you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭scary


    Trying to get into the M50 southbound lane is as tricky as ever. All it needs is for someone to miss a tiny ghost island and crash!

    Use it every day and don't find it tricky at all and never seen an issue with others. Indicating early I find helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Bummer1234


    Actually, you do.

    You move into a left lane with only a 5m ghost island preventing the traffic on the lane inside you running straight into you.

    Lane on the inside is going northbound...lane in the middle is going southbound and citybound....Right is going citybound only....Whats difficult about that....

    Fact is no lane changes should be made after here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    Lane on the inside is going northbound...lane in the middle is going southbound and citybound....Right is going citybound only....Whats difficult about that....

    Fact is no lane changes should be made after here

    If you want to go M50(S), you will need to change if you are in the middle lane at that point - after that Ghost island that Schadenfreudia referred to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Bummer1234


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    If you want to go M50(S), you will need to change if you are in the middle lane at that point - after that Ghost island that Schadenfreudia referred to.

    I know that but when your moving onto the M50(S) lane there under no circumstances should be any cars coming from the M50(N) lane...

    I see some mornings there does be que's due to late lane movers from the middle lane to the M50(N) off lane....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    I know that but when your moving onto the M50(S) lane there under no circumstances should be any cars coming from the M50(N) lane...

    Indeed they shouldn't, and won't so long as they spot the tiny ghost island while they are trying to figure out where they are going.

    Not everyone using the road is doing so on a daily basis like some of us, as I have noticed by the late lane changes; abrupt braking and - yes - driving straight through the ghost island.

    I expect if you are a frequent user you'll eventually have the pleasure of seeing an accident that is waiting to happen.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Bummer1234


    I agree with you Schadenfreudia, All it will take is some driver to not have his eyes on the road or not concentrating....

    But if they do have there eyes on the road and no late lane changes there won't be any problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I do think they need a few of those little bollards to stop people butting into the southbound lane from the northbound lane after the ghost island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    ...
    Not everyone using the road is doing so on a daily basis like some of us, as I have noticed by the late lane changes; abrupt braking and - yes - driving straight through the ghost island.

    I expect if you are a frequent user you'll eventually have the pleasure of seeing an accident that is waiting to happen.....

    I don't use it very often (a handful of times a year maybe), but I once very nearly had the pleasure of being a victim of said "potential" accident.

    I was heading M50(S), towing a horsebox, with my wife's beloved beastie on board :rolleyes: and I was trundling along nicely @ 60KPH, in moderate traffic at this almost exact spot, when a nob-jockey in a beemer, passed me on the right, cut across in front of me (barely missing the bollards and left-right sign) and then dived to M50(N).

    It looked like a well practised move too. Thank god my missus wasn't with me as she'd have seen her beastie's life flashing in front of her! :P


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    I do think they need a few of those little bollards to stop people butting into the southbound lane from the northbound lane after the ghost island.

    A good idea; I'd also put some bollards at the start of the ghost island.

    That BMW cutting across the hatching - maybe a candidate for cameras that can dish out 6 penalty points?


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