help needed to finish setup of SPC 6330

max2013 · 20-02-2015 1:29pm #1

Hi

installed the SPC 6330 panel with below setup:

1x keypad
7x optex pir
1x 360 pir
6x panic buttons
2x sound blasters 127
2x texecom 118db bell boxes
1x 1313 Plus Advanced 12V Spike Suppressor
1x 1166 Earth Line Choke

I need some advice on how to program the OP4 and OP5 to trigger 2 sound blasters 127.
only to come on when the bell boxes or alarm is activated. also OP5 to be setup to give a pulse output for a second if the alarm fails to arm. as the manual does not explain how to
do it.

also will need a external power to trigger them as I am getting aux.current reached
problems as it many be due to powering the 2 bell boxes from the panel.
currently the aux current draw is 450ma on standby. or do you think it is better if I
rewire the bell boxes to external supply and use the internal supply to power the trigger
relays on the sound blasters. let me know what is the best option you think.

also is the current firmware on the panel still v3.4.5 and same version for SPC Pro

Thanks for looking and for your help in advance.

altor · 20-02-2015 11:53pm

max2013 wrote: »

Hi

installed the SPC 6330 panel with below setup:

1x keypad
7x optex pir
1x 360 pir
6x panic buttons
2x sound blasters 127
2x texecom 118db bell boxes
1x 1313 Plus Advanced 12V Spike Suppressor
1x 1166 Earth Line Choke

I need some advice on how to program the OP4 and OP5 to trigger 2 sound blasters 127.
only to come on when the bell boxes or alarm is activated. also OP5 to be setup to give a pulse output for a second if the alarm fails to arm. as the manual does not explain how to
do it.

also will need a external power to trigger them as I am getting aux.current reached
problems as it many be due to powering the 2 bell boxes from the panel.
currently the aux current draw is 450ma on standby. or do you think it is better if I
rewire the bell boxes to external supply and use the internal supply to power the trigger
relays on the sound blasters. let me know what is the best option you think.

also is the current firmware on the panel still v3.4.5 and same version for SPC Pro

Thanks for looking and for your help in advance.

The systems software can be updated to 3-6-0, I only have the same version you have on your system.
The outputs needs to be set up in the output menu. For the internal bell you set it to internal bell.
To set the bell or strobe or both the activate on a failed to set this in done in the variables menu.
If you use a power supply beside the control panel this should give you enough power to power these devices.

max2013 · 21-02-2015 12:23am

thanks for the information and will try it tomorrow.
also do you know how to set IP camera to the panel, like the dahua hdw4300c.
I know the sub stream is low resolution and if it was possible under the generic camera profile.

max2013 · 21-02-2015 2:20pm

thanks mate for the information and got the sound blasters working. also the fail to arm, as it was just a tick box in the menu.

just left now is how to get the cameras working if possible and extra power supply.

KoolKid · 21-02-2015 8:06pm

The latest version is 3-6-5
I have PMed you this.
Hope it helps.

max2013 · 21-02-2015 10:11pm

KoolKid wrote: »

The latest version is 3-6-5
I have PMed you this.
Hope it helps.

thanks for the download.
also is there a new version of SPC Pro to go with the new firmware?
and also is SPC Connect app version 1.0.0 the latest also?

KoolKid · 22-02-2015 12:47am

Hi
I havn't received the latest SPC Pro yet.
I will chase up next week.
The latest App version is 1.1.0 on android. Not sure of iPhone version.

max2013 · 22-02-2015 11:35am

KoolKid wrote: »

Hi
I havn't received the latest SPC Pro yet.
I will chase up next week.
The latest App version is 1.1.0 on android. Not sure of iPhone version.

Thanks for all the help and also do you have the latest App v1.1.0 on android as on google play store they have the old version 1.0.0 and its not been updated.

KoolKid · 22-02-2015 2:21pm

I'm nearly sure I got it off play store.
Try this link.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.siemens.spcconnect

altor · 23-02-2015 7:38pm

max2013 wrote: »

thanks for the information and will try it tomorrow.
also do you know how to set IP camera to the panel, like the dahua hdw4300c.
I know the sub stream is low resolution and if it was possible under the generic camera profile.

Version 1.1.0 was released but all I can see on the play store is version 1.0.0.
The latest version is 3-6-5 is still on test but is to be released at the end of this month. This includes fixes for version 3-6-0 which was released as a test version.

Yes, go into SPC pro.
Press advanced, scroll down to verification and accept.
Press camera and then add the camera.
Input the IP address plus change the type to generic.
Port of camera.
Try this command string. http://IPADDRESS/cgi-bin/video.jpg I have not tested it but its in a list of the commands I have.
The Siemens system can use other cameras but I do not have a full list of these.

max2013 · 23-02-2015 8:52pm

altor wrote: »

Version 1.1.0 was released but all I can see on the play store is version 1.0.0.
The latest version is 3-6-5 is still on test but is to be released at the end of this month. This includes fixes for version 3-6-0 which was released as a test version.

Yes, go into SPC pro.
Press advanced, scroll down to verification and accept.
Press camera and then add the camera.
Input the IP address plus change the type to generic.
Port of camera.
Try this command string. I have not tested it but its in a list of the commands I have.
The Siemens system can use other cameras but I do not have a full list of these.

Hi
Thanks for you suggestion and it did not work for me as it still say camera offline.
when I go to view the camera it say offline image to small. how do I know which command
string to use?

I have updated the firmware on the panel to Ver 3.6.5 and therefore cant use the SPC Pro as waiting for it to be updated. currently using the new web interface.

KoolKid · 23-02-2015 9:05pm

The format of the command string really depends on the camera you have.
I have requested the latest SPC Pro from Siemens.Hopefully have it tomorrow.

altor · 23-02-2015 9:19pm

max2013 wrote: »

Hi
Thanks for you suggestion and it did not work for me as it still say camera offline.
when I go to view the camera it say offline image to small. how do I know which command
string to use?

I have updated the firmware on the panel to Ver 3.6.5 and therefore cant use the SPC Pro as waiting for it to be updated. currently using the new web interface.

It is to be officially released at the end of the month.

Here are a few for the camera maker you have:

KoolKid · 24-02-2015 8:50pm

Hi Max
I sent you a PM with the latest version of SPC pro.I have also attached a link to an APK file. Try that and see what version of the app it is.

max2013 · 25-02-2015 3:38pm

altor wrote: »

It is to be officially released at the end of the month.

Here are a few for the camera maker you have:

tried them and there was one that was Specific to my model and I could not get that to work. I was just thing is it just copy the code to the right box and then entre the correct details for the other field and lower the resolution on the camera and it should work..

KoolKid wrote: »

Hi Max
I sent you a PM with the latest version of SPC pro.I have also attached a link to an APK file. Try that and see what version of the app it is.

apk is version 1.0.0
still cant get the SPC pro to install as Norton will not allow it and it just deletes it and even when adding it to ok list. will see it there is other setting that need to be changed.

KoolKid · 25-02-2015 7:03pm

Try disable Norton & try again.

max2013 · 25-02-2015 9:31pm

worked a treat and just the camera setup left now

KoolKid · 25-02-2015 9:52pm

Glad you got sorted. Let me know how you get on with the camera.

max2013 · 01-03-2015 12:52pm

Hi

been having problems with using the Elmdene G13803N Switch Mode 12V DC 3 Amp PSU with control panel.
I have a 2 bell box setup and it works ok from the panel and don't thing that is a problems.

when I connect the PSU to the BELL BOXES power supply inputs and leave the other cables connected as normal
to the panel. I'm getting bell temper fault on the panel and status is ok. after some testing and I believe running
half from the panel and half of the PSU is causing the fault and the negative/positive returns etc are different for both
and causing the fault.

is there away around this to do it safely or do I need some sort of isolation between the panel and power supply.

let me know what you thing or do I need to start a new thread.

KoolKid · 01-03-2015 9:12pm

Have you commoned the negative of the panel with the power supply.
How have you wired to 2 bell hold offs & tamper returns?

max2013 · 03-03-2015 12:55pm

yes the temper circuit is working ok.
connected the negative 12v of the panel to the negative 12v of the PSU and it has fixed the error.
thanks for that as I thought it was not the right way of doing things, looks like I was wrong.

max2013 · 03-03-2015 1:40pm

how only need to get the cameras working and then sorted.

KoolKid · 03-03-2015 1:57pm

Glad we could help with that. Come back to us when you get into the cameras.

altor · 03-03-2015 9:42pm

max2013 wrote: »

how only need to get the cameras working and then sorted.

Sorry, thought you had it sorted.

Try these.

http://IPADDRESS/snap.jpg?JpegSize=XL
http://IPADDRESS/snap.jpg?JpegSize=M
http://IPADDRESS/snap.jpg?JpegCam=[CHANNEL]
http://IPADDRESS/snap.jpg?usr=[USERNAME]&pwd=[PASSWORD]
http://IPADDRESS/snap.jpg?JpegSize=XL
http://IPADDRESS/snap.jpg

axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi

max2013 · 04-03-2015 12:48am

altor wrote: »

Sorry, thought you had it sorted.

axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi

Hi Altor

My setting are below and let me know what port I need to use.
also the names in the brackets do I need to fill them in or just copy and paste the command with out editing it.
also is the axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi command on its own or just copy and paste error.

Panel settings:

Camera ID 1
Description: test
Type: Generic
Camera IP: 192.168.0.102
Camera Port ?
Command String: AS ABOVE
Pre-Event Images: 8
Pre-Event Interval: 1
Post-Event Images: 8
Post-Event Interval: 1

Camera setting and which port do i need to use:

UPnP
Port Mapping List

Service Name - Protocol - Internal Port - External Port - Status - Modify
HTTP WebService:TCP 80 8080 Mapping Failed
TCP PrivService:TCP 37777 37777 Mapping Failed
UDP PrivService:UDP 37778 37778 Mapping Failed
RTSP RTSPService:TCP 554 554 Mapping Failed

HTTPs 443

altor · 04-03-2015 11:43am

The camera would have an IP address 192.168.1.whatever it is set at.
You also dont have the port set up.

Have you any software to set up the camera from the manufacturer?

max2013 · 04-03-2015 12:13pm

a few of them I tried directly in the web browser that worked but still doesn't work in the panel.
also I have web setup, config software (which finds the ip address etc.) and PSS software.

192.168.0.102:9989/onvif/media_service/snapshot

192.168.0.102:9989/onvif/media_service/snapshot?channel=1&subtype=0

192.168.0.102/cgi-bin/snapshot.cgi

altor · 04-03-2015 12:19pm

max2013 wrote: »

a few of them I tried directly in the web browser that worked but still doesn't work in the panel.
also I have web setup, config software (which finds the ip address etc.) and PSS software.

192.168.0.102:9989/onvif/media_service/snapshot

192.168.0.102:9989/onvif/media_service/snapshot?channel=1&subtype=0

192.168.0.102/cgi-bin/snapshot.cgi

Here is a snap shot for what you should be seeing.
One is on line and the other is down powered.

Have you set up the ports?

Gabico · 05-03-2015 11:47am

max2013 wrote: »

192.168.0.102/cgi-bin/snapshot.cgi

Is the above command working ok in the browser? Does it ask for user name and password?
What image are you getting back (format and resolution)?
I has some issues with my cameras at the start but now they are working fine now.

max2013 · 05-03-2015 12:47pm

Gabico wrote: »

Is the above command working ok in the browser? Does it ask for user name and password?
What image are you getting back (format and resolution)?
I has some issues with my cameras at the start but now they are working fine now.

Hi

Still having the problems. when I use the above command it does not ask for username or password and just displays a picture direct from the camera.
resolution is 1920x1080 it must be the mainstream, as I cant get the substreams to display.
the formant is JPG File.

Thanks

altor · 05-03-2015 7:23pm

max2013 wrote: »

Hi

Still having the problems. when I use the above command it does not ask for username or password and just displays a picture direct from the camera.
resolution is 1920x1080 it must be the mainstream, as I cant get the substreams to display.
the formant is JPG File.

Thanks

Is there a string command in the manual off the camera?

KoolKid · 05-03-2015 8:42pm

max2013 wrote: »

Hi

Still having the problems. when I use the above command it does not ask for username or password and just displays a picture direct from the camera.
resolution is 1920x1080 it must be the mainstream, as I cant get the substreams to display.
the formant is JPG File.

Thanks

If there is a user name & password set up on the camera the command string must send this every time.

max2013 · 05-03-2015 8:47pm

altor wrote: »

Is there a string command in the manual off the camera?

the command strings I found in the manual are below and cant get them t work in the browser.

rtsp
username:password at ip:port/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=0

ip:port/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=0

KoolKid · 05-03-2015 9:45pm

max2013 wrote: »

the command strings I found in the manual are below and cant get them t work in the browser.

rtsp
username:password at ip:port/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=0

ip:port/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=0

I dont think they will work.
The format for Siemens must end with the user name & PW

Gabico · 05-03-2015 11:52pm

max2013 wrote: »

Hi

Still having the problems. when I use the above command it does not ask for username or password and just displays a picture direct from the camera.
resolution is 1920x1080 it must be the mainstream, as I cant get the substreams to display.
the formant is JPG File.

Thanks

Can you try in incognito mode if you use chrome or clear your cookies in case you set in the password earlier. I had this issue when I upgraded the fw in my cameras.If it is asking for username/pass it won't work.

This is the setup for one of my cameras. My resolution is 1280x720.

max2013 · 06-03-2015 1:04am

thanks and will try it in the morning.

max2013 · 06-03-2015 1:04pm

Gabico wrote: »

Can you try in incognito mode if you use chrome or clear your cookies in case you set in the password earlier. I had this issue when I upgraded the fw in my cameras.If it is asking for username/pass it won't work.

This is the setup for one of my cameras. My resolution is 1280x720.

if I add the ip address in front of it and it works in browser.
but does not work in the panel and also tried different combinations of it, still no luck.
also tried lowering the resolution and its made no difference.

altor · 08-03-2015 3:00pm

max2013 wrote: »

if I add the ip address in front of it and it works in browser.
but does not work in the panel and also tried different combinations of it, still no luck.
also tried lowering the resolution and its made no difference.

It could also just be the camera.
Not every camera is supported.

max2013 · 11-03-2015 2:16pm

that's what I was thing and abit of a shame. many be in the future with firmware updates it may work.
will keep the notes of the process and try when there is a new update.

max2013 · 15-03-2015 5:30pm

Gabico wrote: »

Can you try in incognito mode if you use chrome or clear your cookies in case you set in the password earlier. I had this issue when I upgraded the fw in my cameras.If it is asking for username/pass it won't work.

This is the setup for one of my cameras. My resolution is 1280x720.

Have still been trying and its started to work and I can view a snapshot in the same screen as shown by Gabico and settings. but still want display via the web login or any other tabs of the SPC software.
in the cameras menus it say offline -[TCP Abort], many be a error in the software?

also can I use a external GSM dialler interfaced to the zone inputs on the panel to switch the alarm on and off via text?

altor · 15-03-2015 8:19pm

max2013 wrote: »

Have still been trying and its started to work and I can view a snapshot in the same screen as shown by Gabico and settings. but still want display via the web login or any other tabs of the SPC software.
in the cameras menus it say offline -[TCP Abort], many be a error in the software?

also can I use a external GSM dialler interfaced to the zone inputs on the panel to switch the alarm on and off via text?

A GSM can be added to your system.
This way you can simply use text commands to control the system.

max2013 · 16-03-2015 5:48pm

altor wrote: »

A GSM can be added to your system.
This way you can simply use text commands to control the system.

I meant a different brand of GSM stand alone Dialler as the price of the Siemens one has been going up over the years and low out of my price range.

it has 4 inputs and 4 outputs, it also does voice and sms.
I was wondering on the alarm zones on the expender, can I set them up to activate and deactivate the fullset on the alarm. the zone them self's don't have the option and do I need to use the trigger and cause & effect menus to do it. as I not done this before and don't know were to start.

using the outputs of the panel to the inputs of the dialler is easy as you just need to map them to the correct settings.

altor · 16-03-2015 11:18pm

max2013 wrote: »

I meant a different brand of GSM stand alone Dialler as the price of the Siemens one has been going up over the years and low out of my price range.

it has 4 inputs and 4 outputs, it also does voice and sms.
I was wondering on the alarm zones on the expender, can I set them up to activate and deactivate the fullset on the alarm. the zone them self's don't have the option and do I need to use the trigger and cause & effect menus to do it. as I not done this before and don't know were to start.

using the outputs of the panel to the inputs of the dialler is easy as you just need to map them to the correct settings.

The GSM may be more expensive but it will give you more functionality plus more information re zone activations.
Using a genetic GSM you can set up a zone as a keyarm to set and unset remotely.

KoolKid · 16-03-2015 11:28pm

Using a generic GSM will be a bit messy and give you a lot less information. I have found the cost of Siemens GSMs have dropped since the SPC Connect service has been released. You can now have remote access and alerts for free so less people are bothering with a separate digi.

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max2013 · 17-03-2015 12:38am

KoolKid wrote: »

Using a generic GSM will be a bit messy and give you a lot less information. I have found the cost of Siemens GSMs have dropped since the SPC Connect service has been released. You can now have remote access and alerts for free so less people are bothering with a separate digi.

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I would have loved to use the SPC Connect, but the phone line come from pole to pole and connects to the side of the house low down and there is a flat roof which can be easy to get onto. that the only reason for having one.

KoolKid · 17-03-2015 12:42am

All comms paths are vulnerable in one way or another. If you were to think like that for everything you would use none of them.
My advice would be use what you have and make the most of it. Back up if you can.

altor · 17-03-2015 12:50am

max2013 wrote: »

I would have loved to use the SPC Connect, but the phone line come from pole to pole and connects to the side of the house low down and there is a flat roof which can be easy to get onto. that the only reason for having one.

In situations like that the line is vulnerable.
I would use the GSM in conjunction with the line if plausible.

max2013 · 20-03-2015 12:24pm

Gabico wrote: »

Can you try in incognito mode if you use chrome or clear your cookies in case you set in the password earlier. I had this issue when I upgraded the fw in my cameras.If it is asking for username/pass it won't work.

This is the setup for one of my cameras. My resolution is 1280x720.

With abit more work and tinkering. it started to work on port 80 and resolution 1280x720.
If I increase the resolution then its hit and miss of working.

But it still would not pick up the substream and tried a few different commands and they all don't work. many be the panel does not recognise the substream extensions. many be a function Siemens could add to a firmware update.

altor · 21-03-2015 12:06am

max2013 wrote: »

With abit more work and tinkering. it started to work on port 80 and resolution 1280x720.
If I increase the resolution then its hit and miss of working.

But it still would not pick up the substream and tried a few different commands and they all don't work. many be the panel does not recognise the substream extensions. many be a function Siemens could add to a firmware update.

Hopefully this will eventually come.
For long enough they told us only there own brand cameras will work.

max2013 · 01-04-2015 12:44pm

Hi
Been trying to work out how to setup 2 keypads to do different things. need help as I cant see the setting for partset.

I want the downstairs keypad to do FULLSET ONLY and activate output 6 when alarm is set only, if the alarm goes off to activate output 2 and 4 with no delay with EXIT/ENTERY DELAY.

I want the upstairs keypad to do PARTSET ONLY with selected Zones and activate output 6 when alarm is set only, if the alarm goes off to activate output 2 with no delay and output and 4 with 20seconds delay and with no EXIT/ENTERY DELAY.

Let me know best way to do this.
Also thanks for all the help for the other problems I had and the information given.

Thanks

KoolKid · 01-04-2015 12:59pm

Have you set up output 6 as a mapping gate.
That way you can set up triggers for part set or full set to trigger the same outputs.
Do you want to totally restrict the respective keypads from having the ability to full set or part set?
If so why?

help needed to finish setup of SPC 6330

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