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Irish Rail want €100 from me for paying them the correct fare

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    #32
    MarkyMark22
    Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭MarkyMark22


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Can we bring the stock responses to an end please?

    Yes I know it was a student ticket and yes I know that it needs to be accompanied by an in-date student travelcard. I established that well before this thread was started and don't need every person on the forum to repeat it with their own phrasing.

    To put it simply, if you can help me out with the question I had in the opening post, all well and good. If not, then skip over this thread.

    It seems you want people to comfort you and say what you did was correct.

    It wasn't. You got fined. It happens.

    All jokes aside, you can either just pay the €100, learn from it and make sure it never happes to you again. Why not just do what one of the previous posters said and get a new student card and send them a scan of that?

    if you really feel so strongly about it, stop using Irish Rail.


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    #33
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,560 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Can we bring the stock responses to an end please?

    Yes I know it was a student ticket and yes I know that it needs to be accompanied by an in-date student travelcard. I established that well before this thread was started and don't need every person on the forum to repeat it with their own trite phrasing. Yes I made a mistake in not looking at the card a bit more frequently and yes I made an even bigger mistake in my initial assumption that a student ticket actually offered a discount on my route.

    To put it simply, if you can help me out with the question I had in the opening post, all well and good. If not, then just skip over this thread.

    The question that you posed in the opening post is almost akin to asking whether we know someone senior in the Garda Siochana that can get you off penalty points frankly.


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    #34
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Can we bring the stock responses to an end please?

    Yes I know it was a student ticket and yes I know that it needs to be accompanied by an in-date student travelcard. I established that well before this thread was started and don't need every person on the forum to repeat it with their own trite phrasing. Yes I made a mistake in not looking at the card a bit more frequently and yes I made an even bigger mistake in my initial assumption that a student ticket actually offered a discount on my route.

    To put it simply, if you can help me out with the question I had in the opening post, all well and good. If not, then just skip over this thread.

    In that case there is no point in you ringing Irish Rail unless its to pay the fine.


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    #35
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,180 ✭✭✭hfallada


    I know with Dublin bus if you are a student and "don't have your travel card with you(it's stupid to have to pay €10 when you have a college id). You just go to the Dublin bus head quarters with your fine slip and it's cancelled. You no longer have a fine and they even give you back your confiscated ticket. My sister friend (although she is 14) got away with a Luas ticket fine by getting her parents to write in and say she had no money for the Luas ticket.

    I say they will let you away with it if you challenge it


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    #36
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    hfallada wrote: »
    I know with Dublin bus if you are a student and "don't have your travel card with you(it's stupid to have to pay €10 when you have a college id). You just go to the Dublin bus head quarters with your fine slip and it's cancelled. You no longer have a fine and they even give you back your confiscated ticket. My sister friend (although she is 14) got away with a Luas ticket fine by getting her parents to write in and say she had no money for the Luas ticket.

    I say they will let you away with it if you challenge it

    If she had no money for a ticket then she shouldnt have been on the Luas. I doubt it if the Luas have a policy of free travel if you get a parent to write to them saying that you are skint.


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    #37
    P_1
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    Slightly unethical but OP did you provide them with the number that corresponds with the expired ID? If not simply get yourself a new one and then show them it saying something along the lines of
    'of course I have a travel card, here is the proof that I do'

    The system is an ass but sometimes you need to bend it sometimes to make ends meet


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    #38
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


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    #39
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    P_1 wrote: »
    Slightly unethical but OP did you provide them with the number that corresponds with the expired ID? If not simply get yourself a new one and then show them it saying something along the lines of
    'of course I have a travel card, here is the proof that I do'

    The system is an ass but sometimes you need to bend it sometimes to make ends meet
    Don't think that can be done. The ID I had with me was checked and as far as I remember, the ID number is on the ticket itself which was confiscated.


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    #40
    misslt
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    I know with Dublin Bus you have 28 days to either present your valid student travelcard or pay the fine.

    Contact IR customer services and ask is it the same.

    They *may* catch you out if you had the old card number on the front, although I know with DB they know you may have just purchased it to have the fine cancelled.

    Edit - I see you did have the number on it. If you can have the fine waived by presenting a new card you should be fine, if not, you may have no other option and hence an appeal would be wasting everyone's time...


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    #41
    P_1
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Don't think that can be done. The ID I had with me was checked and as far as I remember, the ID number is on the ticket itself which was confiscated.

    Then I'm afraid your only options are either to pay them the ton or appeal it to court which would probably cost you more than a ton.

    That's the only way to get things overturned from what I can tell


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    #42
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Then in this case, how you feel it seems and what is aren't the same thing in this case.

    Yes it wasn't correct. Yes I got fined. Now I want to see if there's anyone at Irish Rail who may be able to show some flexibility in the matter who can see that considering the circumstances and lack of any loss of revenue, a fine of €100 may be unreasonably high. The "transgression" so to speak didn't lead to any lost revenue or negative effect.

    Now please, the OP.

    Ring them and find out, its the only way.


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    #43
    LXFlyer
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    OP go through the normal appeals process and see what happens.


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    #44
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,996 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    this ridiculous approach of "Oh look, we've trapped one and we've got a chance to fish out over €100 from their wallet, show no mercy lads!" that's going to make me despise their company, consider changing to the bus or some other way of commuting and spread nothing but negative publicity.
    unfortunately that is true for this country, the 100 euro penalty fair was brought in to deter passengers from
    1. not paying the fair/correct fair
    2. traveling without a ticket.
    3. traveling with an invalid ticket.
    however what is happening is that this is driving customers to other methods of transport, because even though these people have fallen fowel of the rules their being caught in some cases for something simple which could be solved by just forcing said persons to pay the full fair, if they don't pay the full fair within a set number of days, then impose the penalty fair and keep putting it up and up and up until they do pay, that might be a better option, its not that the rules and penalty fair is a problem, its just that their not getting the results they should

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #45
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


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