New Garda fleet

Jesus. · 30-01-2015 1:22am #1

The Guards have been given 20 new Insignia Estates. 2.0 CDTI Bi-turbo with 195 nags (& 295 torques).

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/garda-traffic-corps-get-20-new-opels-in-2015-30925585.html

Atlantic Dawn · 30-01-2015 1:28am

Jesus. wrote: »

The Guards have been given 20 new Insignia Estates. 2.0 CDTI Bi-turbo with 195 nags (& 295 torques).

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/garda-traffic-corps-get-20-new-opels-in-2015-30925585.html

Even if they gave them Lambo's, without proper training and a plan to stop a car it will end in carnage or the Keystone Cops version with 8 or 9 garda cars chasing a car directly behind it resembling a Paddys Day Parade like we have seen on Youtube so many times.

Jesus. · 30-01-2015 1:43am

Are our Plods less trained than other Country's, Atlantic?

challengemaster · 30-01-2015 1:48am

Jesus. wrote: »

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

Takes a fair amount of horsepower to catch up with a 2 day head start alright.

Eric Cartman · 30-01-2015 4:17am

Realistically a single brand solution probably wont work.

The m50, m7 and m1 would benefit from a bmw 540i / 550i touring.

Regional units in remote areas would be best served by subaru forresters or similar

City runarounds could do with something volvo s40 like , big focus on safety especially for pedestrians

Undercover units could do with something sleeper like with excellent handling , petrol 2.5-3.0 litre but looks just like a family saloon

Really rural , mountain type areas could use a few pajeros / landcruisers at their disposal

This business of unifying on ford or toyota or whoever is nonsense.

ironclaw · 30-01-2015 9:33am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Realistically a single brand solution probably wont work.

The m50, m7 and m1 would benefit from a bmw 540i / 550i touring.

Regional units in remote areas would be best served by subaru forresters or similar

City runarounds could do with something volvo s40 like , big focus on safety especially for pedestrians

Undercover units could do with something sleeper like with excellent handling , petrol 2.5-3.0 litre but looks just like a family saloon

Really rural , mountain type areas could use a few pajeros / landcruisers at their disposal

This business of unifying on ford or toyota or whoever is nonsense.

They have all of the above believe it or not. I think there were even ST220's in the Mondeo fleet. There's at least one Focus ST somewhere around the border last time I saw it.

As regards the Ford / Toyota business, you'll find that certain TDs etc have connections to certain dealerships which influence tenders etc etc. The usual Irish carry on.

But as has been said, unless these cars are deployed in the right hands with the right training and not cherry picks by the old hands in the station as its the 'new car' then this is pointless. Also, the very best of luck going up against anything even remotely quick. Stock a Golf GTI or Clio 197 has more under the hood, and that's before you start to consider the S3, 353d, M3's etc.

Looks good, means nothing.

NIMAN · 30-01-2015 9:46am

Think I seen new Hyundai's up here in Donegal, probably i40s?

Daaryl · 30-01-2015 10:22am

NIMAN wrote: »

Think I seen new Hyundai's up here in Donegal, probably i40s?

Yea they have them everywhere and i don't know what they except to catch with them :pac:

NIMAN · 30-01-2015 10:45am

Daaryl wrote: »

Yea they have them everywhere and i don't know what they except to catch with them :pac:

Maybe Criminals in Hyundai i30s?:D

Daaryl · 30-01-2015 10:46am

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe Criminals in Hyundai i30s?:D

More like the i20's :pac:

corsav6 · 30-01-2015 10:57am

NIMAN wrote: »

Think I seen new Hyundai's up here in Donegal, probably i40s?

All the Mondeo's are gone from Castlebar and have been replaced by Hyundai i40 estates. I haven't seen any Opel's based in mayo for at least 10 years.

mossy50 · 30-01-2015 11:12am

toyota avensis , landcruiser, yaris , hyundai, ford mondeo / focus all here in cavan what will the get in a yaris ill never know

Daaryl · 30-01-2015 11:14am

mossy50 wrote: »

toyota avensis , landcruiser, yaris , hyundai, ford mondeo / focus all here in cavan what will the get in a yaris ill never know

There's a video of a lad drifting around a roundabout in a skyline and a gaurds in a yaris trying to chase him lol

dodderangler · 30-01-2015 11:15am

At least the scruffs can sit in comfort now. Lord knows they need it the poor things

BMJD · 30-01-2015 11:16am

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

PukkaStukka · 30-01-2015 11:16am

ironclaw wrote: »

As regards the Ford / Toyota business, you'll find that certain TDs etc have connections to certain dealerships which influence tenders etc etc. The usual Irish carry on.

Given the public sector procurement and tendering processes in place now are very tightly controlled, I personally could not accept any notion that a some flat cap TD can come along cynically bypass these. Past days maybe, but definetly not now.

If this were the case, why are Hyundai's appearing in modest enough numbers? Probably because these vehicle's specifications meet the requirements of the role at the most cost effective price for the numbers purchased. In other words, they are cheaper.

ba_barabus · 30-01-2015 11:18am

BMJD wrote: »

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

A Ministerial car I'd say

bear1 · 30-01-2015 11:40am

Jesus. wrote: »

The Guards have been given 20 new Insignia Estates. 2.0 CDTI Bi-turbo with 195 nags (& 295 torques).

That's a bit more like it compared to some of the under-powered sh1t heaps they have to chase crims in.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/garda-traffic-corps-get-20-new-opels-in-2015-30925585.html

Is it me or is 295NM quite low for a bi-turbo diesel?

Sasso · 30-01-2015 11:45am

BMJD wrote: »

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

This is most probably a fire chief whose personal car is modified with blues for response,. Guarentee not Garda car

Tea 1000 · 30-01-2015 12:28pm

bear1 wrote: »

Is it me or is 295NM quite low for a bi-turbo diesel?

I'd say that's more likely the lbs/ft figure, which would equate to 400NM. Given the 163bhp single turbo is 350NM, that's the most likely case.

Also, I like this sentence... "Manual handbrakes replace the normal electric handbrakes for operational effectiveness reasons."

Operational effectiveness! Must try that one out some day!

ironclaw · 30-01-2015 12:51pm

BMJD wrote: »

I was passed by an unmarked A6 yesterday, so not all of them are slumming it in Hyundais!

There is a completely unmarked 2010 Skoda Octavia Estate on the Nass Road quite regularly. Also, I'm fairly sure its not D reg, so the times of D reg only are starting to end I feel.

Tea 1000 · 30-01-2015 12:56pm

Sligo used have an unmarked Alfa 156 2.5 V6 and an unmarked IS200.

Old diesel · 30-01-2015 2:12pm

The problem with the whole Toyota/Hyundai fleet scenario seems to be - from what I can see - that they will look to buy big numbers of cars in one go - say 150/200/300

And they will then do the deal for ALL of them with one manufacturer - rather then having separate tenders for traffic corps or other sections.

My understanding is that the power of the Insignias puts them in a higher category in terms of Garda driver training - Advanced car is the term used from what I understand from reading threads in the emergency services forum here on boards.

Meaning you need more training to be allowed drive the Insignia bi turbos - then you do to drive a Hyundai.

Someone mentioned ST220s - I think I saw mention that there was 3.0 Ghia/non ST Mondeos in the old (2006/07 era) Mondeo fleet.

Eric Cartman · 30-01-2015 3:12pm

Old diesel wrote: »

The problem with the whole Toyota/Hyundai fleet scenario seems to be - from what I can see - that they will look to buy big numbers of cars in one go - say 150/200/300

And they will then do the deal for ALL of them with one manufacturer - rather then having separate tenders for traffic corps or other sections.

My understanding is that the power of the Insignias puts them in a higher category in terms of Garda driver training - Advanced car is the term used from what I understand from reading threads in the emergency services forum here on boards.

Meaning you need more training to be allowed drive the Insignia bi turbos - then you do to drive a Hyundai.

Someone mentioned ST220s - I think I saw mention that there was 3.0 Ghia/non ST Mondeos in the old (2006/07 era) Mondeo fleet.

the idea of needing new training to drive a sub 200bhp fwd tractor around says an awful lot about this country and its attitude to motoring

Old diesel · 30-01-2015 4:34pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the idea of needing new training to drive a sub 200bhp fwd tractor around says an awful lot about this country and its attitude to motoring

Id imagine the role that the cars are used for dictates the extra training.

In other words - a 2.0 195 ps Insignia is intended to do a different role then a 1.7 diesel Hyundai - that's where the training requirement comes from I imagine.

Anyway - I don't know - that's just what I recall reading over on the emergency services forum.

Tea 1000 · 30-01-2015 6:44pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Id imagine the role that the cars are used for dictates the extra training.

In other words - a 2.0 195 ps Insignia is intended to do a different role then a 1.7 diesel Hyundai - that's where the training requirement comes from I imagine.

Anyway - I don't know - that's just what I recall reading over on the emergency services forum.

They should all get extra driving instruction anyway for entry to the gards. The standard test in this country is poor.

Chuck_Norris · 30-01-2015 9:05pm

Old diesel wrote: »

The problem with the whole Toyota/Hyundai fleet scenario seems to be - from what I can see - that they will look to buy big numbers of cars in one go - say 150/200/300

And they will then do the deal for ALL of them with one manufacturer - rather then having separate tenders for traffic corps or other sections.

My understanding is that the power of the Insignias puts them in a higher category in terms of Garda driver training - Advanced car is the term used from what I understand from reading threads in the emergency services forum here on boards.

Meaning you need more training to be allowed drive the Insignia bi turbos - then you do to drive a Hyundai.

Someone mentioned ST220s - I think I saw mention that there was 3.0 Ghia/non ST Mondeos in the old (2006/07 era) Mondeo fleet.

They definitely had ST220's. I was in one!

A kindly Garda took me for a quick, pun intended, spin in one about 7 years ago. Made me promise not to tell anyone. Fairly shifted to be fair.

delthedriver · 30-01-2015 9:15pm

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Sligo used have an unmarked Alfa 156 2.5 V6 and an unmarked IS200.

How old is the Alfa 156 ?

Froshtbit · 30-01-2015 10:49pm

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

They definitely had ST220's. I was in one!

A kindly Garda took me for a quick, pun intended, spin in one about 7 years ago. Made me promise not to tell anyone. Fairly shifted to be fair.

Well, now everyone knows.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly · 30-01-2015 10:52pm

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

Made me promise not to tell anyone.

Thanks for telling us:)

wendell borton · 30-01-2015 11:14pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the idea of needing new training to drive a sub 200bhp fwd tractor around says an awful lot about this country and its attitude to motoring

Doesn't surprise me in a country where you now have to do training to lift a box at work.

delthedriver · 30-01-2015 11:20pm

wendell borton wrote: »

Doesn't surprise me in a country where you now have to do training to lift a box at work.

Health & Safety , gone mad !!

Yiikes · 31-01-2015 12:44am

Daaryl wrote: »

There's a video of a lad drifting around a roundabout in a skyline and a gaurds in a yaris trying to chase him lol

youtube.com/watch?v=VqXjsi97OWg

Daaryl · 31-01-2015 11:53am

Yiikes wrote: »

youtube.com/watch?v=VqXjsi97OWg

That was in a private estate and the lad got permission to be fair :P

nice_guy80 · 31-01-2015 8:44pm

I hope they've had a new tendering process for the servicing and maintenance of the squad cars.

Same with the fuel.

they seem to have stuck with the renowned 'priciest' garage in my local town for fuel/servicing

Old diesel · 31-01-2015 10:31pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I hope they've had a new tendering process for the servicing and maintenance of the squad cars.

Same with the fuel.

they seem to have stuck with the renowned 'priciest' garage in my local town for fuel/servicing

The garage might have done a better deal for the gardai on the servicing.

Is it a main dealer????

Jesus. · 31-01-2015 10:36pm

Old diesel wrote: »

The garage might have done a better deal for the gardai on the servicing. Is it a main dealer????

More likely the owner is the brother in law of the Super

colm_mcm · 31-01-2015 10:37pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I hope they've had a new tendering process for the servicing and maintenance of the squad cars.

Same with the fuel.

they seem to have stuck with the renowned 'priciest' garage in my local town for fuel/servicing

Isn't the fuel bought from the distributor, fuel card type thing?

ironclaw · 01-02-2015 11:10pm

Old diesel wrote: »

The garage might have done a better deal for the gardai on the servicing.

Is it a main dealer????

Pretty sure, at least it was the case, it was all done in house in the Phoenix Park (Servicing that is)

Fuel is on a fuel card.

TheNog · 01-02-2015 11:49pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Pretty sure, at least it was the case, it was all done in house in the Phoenix Park (Servicing that is).

Servicing of all cars in the Park hasn't been done in several years. It is done by selected garages across the country

nice_guy80 · 02-02-2015 12:35am

'Selected' garages indeed

same with buying the fuel

dashcamdanny · 07-04-2015 5:06pm

Not sure about the car choice.

Would these be as quick and reliable as the Fords? 1.6 diesels..

Toyotafanboi · 07-04-2015 5:09pm

In before the hyundai bashing.

Given the gardai's needs, i'd say they'l do fine.

ironclaw · 07-04-2015 5:10pm

Congrats to whoever plasters the right side lower corner with an AA sticker. Might seem trivial but the entire windscreen should be clear.

Also, where are the tax discs? :P

But seriously, Gardai don't need 'fhast' cars. No training and poor driving from the vast majority means its a receipe for disaster. Keep the higher end stuff in the hands of those that can use it properly.

Sofiztikated · 07-04-2015 5:11pm

Hyundai i30's? Fair enough. I can't comment on the reliability stakes, but surely they are appropriate for city driving.

And I was driving from Cavan to Kells last week, and a Traffic Corp one went passed me (I think it was a Hyundai anyway) like I was stopped, so they can shift as well.

5 year warranty too, don't know if that applies to fleet cars, but still. Hyundai must be confident enough to offer it.

dashcamdanny · 07-04-2015 5:13pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Hyundai i30's? Fair enough. I can't comment on the reliability stakes, but surely they are appropriate for city driving.

And I was driving from Cavan to Kells last week, and a Traffic Corp one went passed me (I think it was a Hyundai anyway) like I was stopped, so they can shift as well.

5 year warranty too, don't know if that applies to fleet cars, but still. Hyundai must be confident enough to offer it.

Yeah but they are not going to keep up with a quick getaway car.

coylemj · 07-04-2015 5:19pm

ironclaw wrote: »

Congrats to whoever plasters the right side lower corner with an AA sticker. Might seem trivial but the entire windscreen should be clear.

Five years unlimited mileage warranty and (5 years) membership of AA Roadside Assist comes when you buy a new Hyundai in Ireland so I'd say the distributor put those stickers on the windscreen.

ironclaw wrote: »

Also, where are the tax discs? :P

Not required unless the vehicle is on a public road and even then, the discs on official cars will have 'exempt' as the amount paid.

Special Circumstances · 07-04-2015 5:31pm

OSI wrote: »

They must be laughing at the poor suckers in the UK stuck with Subaru Imprezas, BMW 530ds, Jaguar XFs, Range Rovers and Mondeo STs

Yeah, and the astra 1.7.

Pataman · 07-04-2015 5:40pm

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Yeah but they are not going to keep up with a quick getaway car.

That is what the helicopter is for.

Sofiztikated · 07-04-2015 5:58pm

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Yeah but they are not going to keep up with a quick getaway car.

And the Mondeo/Avensis/whatever you're having yourself is a sportscar now?

They're decent cars, hopefully gotten at a good price, and will (hopefully) be maintained.

Christ, if they were kitted out with RS4's, people would still be whinging.

Toyotafanboi · 07-04-2015 6:03pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Christ, if they were kitted out with RS4's, people would still be whinging.

tax payers money... recession... gardai driving m3's...

I can see the comments now. The hyundais were a sensible purchases!

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