Darlings going crazy on bus

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

MadsL wrote: »

Nope, but they can specify what sanctions can be put in place for unauthorised absence. A one liner covering "Absence to attend outside events during school time must be authorised by the Principal".

Schools seem to be a bit unwilling to tackle this it seems.

Schools are not at all unwilling. They send out letters advising parents of these things all the time. The simple fact is they do not have the power to impose sanctions for absence permitted by a parent. This is reality as borne out day in day out. Suspension from school is a very serious thing and there is no way the NEWB or Department would support a school in using suspension in such instances.

So the school I went to which was in the country was breaking department guidelines when they suspended kids for not wearing the correct school attire .?

U would think that that was a bit extreme but they were and is still a highly regarded school with a good reputation.

It seems again that from some of these posts that some schools are afraid to follow and adher by their own guidelines or they are afraid of a "sue me" mentality. So who wins here not the school . It gets a name because said ones from "that" school wrecked a bus - the kids neither because if they are hood winking their parents , it's the start of it .

I think the ploughing champs is not the real issue . It's how easy it seen OK for kids to be left off unsupervised on a bus and drink and the parents next day blame the Bus driver without having any clue what little tommy and larry are doing ...

MadsL wrote: »

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

Suspension is a very serious matter.

Not nearly as serious as the criminal charges.

However, I cannot get away from the fact that I would bet my life that the school knew this trip was on the cards, and that school discipline should have come down in the first instance.

Again, include this in the list of events for which advance permission for absence is required in the code of behaviour.

It will be very interesting to see the school's response to the championships next year.

I honestly can't see how this even relates to the school. The school had no involvement in arranging this trip and the children went with parents' consent.

I'm sorry but aren't schools under enough pressure and don't they have enough to do with out parenting these little wasters.

I would be willing to bet my life that these a middle class Celtic tiger babies, spoilt rotten and have no respect for anyone or anything. I can't believe the gall of the parents, little Fintan and Aine would never do such a thing. Left stuck in New Ross, job for them, but of course consequences as a result of their actions would never occur to these pampered, spoilt brats, just run gone to mammy with a one sided story and whinge because they are so hard done by.

They will head off to college in a few years and continue the same thing while studying for their pointless degree in ****ing arts, getting drunk, destroying other people's property and generally just getting pissed every chance they get.

It's hilarious, I went to a school for scumbags in training, supposedly, all working class, all had difficulty with mainstream school in 1 way or another, we went to a college fair and were literally treated like second class citizens. When they heard where we were coming from they could barely muster the enthusiasm to hand us a prospectus while the fell over themselves for main stream students. They go on to Universities and behave like little scrotes for 4 years and we scrimp and save to go to college of further education. We would never have done anything like that because we had some respect. But then I suppose if you have had everything handed to you then why should you work hard, or respect other people and their property when there are no consequences for your actions.

*i know that there are many students that work very hard in college regardless of your economic backround, I realise I have done a lot of generalising in this post

whatdoicare wrote: »

My poor husband was not too long ago a driver for these tours- kids hired the bus going to some day out , get pissed, bring bin bags worth of drink on-all supplied by mummy and daddy, smoke on the bus, puke everywhere, damage the bus, abuse husband and generally act like sh!ts

Husband took the abuse because he had no choice- if he kicked them out his boss didn't pay him for the days work, most likely didn't offer him any work for a few days to "punish" him. (don't bother with the "but that's illegal blah blah blah", NERA were investigating the company at the time and basically said there was nothing they could do and pretty much let the boss carry on as he was)

The fella running the company doesn't care a jot if the bus is damaged, he'll patch it all back together and the bus will be on the road next day. Happens all the time, every weekend, debs, leaving cert results etc etc. It's no skin off his nose. He'll even keep the deposit fee he charges for damages.

So glad husband is away from all that, I witnessed it myself a few times, those kids were absolute animals, it was pretty frightening to be in the middle of it, watching a kid square up to a bus driver because he put his alcohol in the hold under the bus or a girl falling all over the bus in high heels while the bus in moving forcing driver to stop every five minutes.
It took us four hours to do a trip that should have taken an hour and a half, then husband had to do his best to clean up bus and go through it all again to bring them home.
More often than not they were from posh, well to do families and coming out of a very expensive private boarding school.
Hate to think what they'll be like as adults out in the world. Nasty pieces of work the whole lot if them.

Jesus that's terrible, your poor husband, tough is not the word for that. He must have dreaded going to work, it must have been very detrimental to his mental, emotional and general wellbeing. Anyway, good to hear he is away from it all now

Infallable wrote: »

Don't underestimate today's youth! Many buses were organized purely by students with no outside help to go to the ploughing. Funnily enough, it's never the academic students that want to go, normally the so called trouble makers, who think the ploughing is the best thing from september to Christmas. No teacher in their right mind would bring students there. It was banned on my school to bring trips to the ploughing. And the schools are aware but can't do anything about it..

So what exactly are you saying here, that it's only the less academic students or trouble makers that would go to the ploughing?

If so I think that is a very unfair comment.

Many people from farming/rural backrounds make the trip most years and would bring their children with them as well for a family day out.

Are we to believe that many of these young people who are there are "troublemakers"?

I don't think so.

@eth0 - I know what you're saying but the sad reality is some kids these days get away with blue sodding murder. And the "helicopter" parents are to blame.

For example - my friend was interviewing a young lad for a summer job (the young lad had done the Leaving Cert so was around 17/18) - the mother wanted to come into the office with the child for the interview :rolleyes: She was very put out when told to wait outside.

The driver's boss should've backed him up but I suppose couldn't take the chance of losing future business. Because I'm sure the parents of the little darlings would've bad mouthed his business.

There's a generation of darlings out there with no sense of responsibility.

MadsL wrote: »

When they see no consequences happening to the underclass (muggings, assaults) and the privileged (developers, bankers, politicians) it is us that have taught them that.

Damn, really hoped to make it to 50 without becoing a reactionary. Sigh.

And the guards are just getting younger!

Don't worry MadsL - happens to us all.