Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

flanzer · 07-06-2012 12:57am

It's the English tabloids job to try and distract their team's efforts on the football pitch at major tournaments. The wags haven't travelled yet, so there's nothing controversial to write about

I'd imagine if they wrote something positive about their team, they might actually do well

paddy kerins · 07-06-2012 1:02am

G.K. wrote: »

http://t.co/UnfKhBp2

kevohmsford · 07-06-2012 1:09am

This is disgusting journalism. They are worried that English players will be racially abused at the tournament and they come out with this rubbish. Sickening.

Gbear · 07-06-2012 1:13am

kevohmsford wrote: »

This is disgusting journalism. They are worried that English players will be racially abused at the tournament and they come out with this rubbish. Sickening.

You wouldn't mind if tabloids didn't massively outsell broadsheets.

Anyone who reads tabloids and is reading this post - slap yourself in the face. You're part of the problem.

wonderfullife · 07-06-2012 1:40am

storm in a teacup. you'd swear they have nothing better to report on.....like a massive football tournament in 2 days!!!!

Mind you i have no time for GJ as a person after his shameful attack on Paul McGrath. Disagree with McGraths opinions all he wants but calling him a racist of all things is ridiculous. So he can jog on after that. As a player he's alright, far too inconsistent but capable of being top class.

~Rebel~ · 07-06-2012 1:47am

wonderfullife wrote: »

storm in a teacup. you'd swear they have nothing better to report on.....like a massive football tournament in 2 days!!!!

Mind you i have no time for GJ as a person after his shameful attack on Paul McGrath. Disagree with McGraths opinions all he wants but calling him a racist of all things is ridiculous. So he can jog on after that. As a player he's alright, far too inconsistent but capable of being top class.

McGrath's comments were pretty much racist to be honest. (and Johnson said the comments were racist, not that McGrath was - big difference).

McGrath attacked Johnson for backing up Suarez, who he felt was innocent. Johnson rightly pointed out that picking on him, as the only black guy in the team, is in itself racist - what obviously should have happened is that McGrath would condemn the actions of all, rather than just the black guy. His comments were very much of an "us V's them" nature. Johnson is close friends with Suarez. He's entitled to back him up if he wants, regardless of the colour of his skin.

Johnson wrote:

‘The McGrath thing … that’s actually racist. Saying what he said is racist. He is only saying that to me because I was the only black lad wearing the T-shirt. He’s targeting me because of my colour.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2111767/Glen-Johnson-Patrice-Evra-clear-didnt-want-shake-Luis-Suarezs-hand.html#ixzz1x4259qOE

Todays thing with Pacheco...absolutely pathetic from the tabloids.

Nuri Sahin · 07-06-2012 1:52am

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

LOL, he's not exactly a big secret - he won young player of the year and PSG and Inter are heavily linked with him as well as City and Arsenal. He will move on this season.

But I agree, he is the right type of signing rather than a big expensive one.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7758671/Belhanda-waiting-on-future

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/warning-for-eden-hazard-as-manchester-city-move-for-7m-younes-belhanda-7720643.html

I didn't say he was a hidden gem did I? I pointed out he was a lesser name than Hazard. Simple matter of fact, for example here on this forum, or most forums or you're usual Sky fan wouldn't have a notion to who he was till their respective club was linked with him. I know some here did well before that, and by that extension, actually had seen him play. Not just once, but multiple times. But they like myself or a fair few of the lads on the footy betting forum are the exception than the norm. Very small percentage keep up to date with football outside of England and Spain be it reading, listening or viewing.

I'm sure this comes across as big headed or whatever when that's not my intention. But I did elude to this point in the Hazard thread too. I doubt very many people saw him play more than 180 mins. As I said in that thread, it's funny, amusing and astonishing all in one go how many people are suddenly experts on players. Point in case Kagawa and Hazard in recent times.

mayordenis · 07-06-2012 1:52am

McGrath's comments at the time were the very definition of racism, I don't and I'm sure Glen Johnson doesn't think that McGrath is a racist but what he said drew a line in front Johnson based on race.

super_furry · 07-06-2012 1:56am

Paul McGrath singled out a member of the Liverpool squad solely on the basis of his skin colour.

Nuri Sahin · 07-06-2012 2:04am

missingtime wrote: »

Here you go ade

Liverpool scouts have recommended Rodgers to have a look at Belhanda, M. Suarez, Redmond, and Ramirez. [via @duncanjenkinsFC] -- Eziz Allamov (@EzizAllamov)

Let's hope there is some truth to it. As said a few times over the past few months, he really is an awesome talent and on level with Hazard IMO.

Kirby · 07-06-2012 4:10am

Tabloid bs aside, does nobody else think that Pacheco's comment was incredibly stupid? Of all the words he could have used.......he must have known it would cause a problem.

seanwhite20 · 07-06-2012 4:29am

Please lets not talk about it. Talking about it is only feeding into this ridiculous story and the english media are only dyin for another racism row to keep them goin until the john terry case comes up.

Jesus Wept · 07-06-2012 5:04am

Ah not this **** again.

I thought the whole 'Suarez used the word negrito' proved to be untrue, and Suarez never claimed to have used it?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/liverpool-striker-defends-negrito-tweet-554357.html

He tweeted: “@glen_johnson good luck negrito!!!!”

Liverpool team-mate Luis Suarez was banned for eight matches for using the same word towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra in a match at Anfield in October.

Gotta love da medja.

Vicxas · 07-06-2012 7:13am

Mother of god it must be a slow news day, not like the Euros are tomorrow or anything....

Oh wait...

Leiva · 07-06-2012 8:23am

Off topic..

Sad news if true .

@guardian_sport: Reports from Spain that newly-appointed Villarreal coach Manolo Preciado has died aged 54 …

LuckyLloyd · 07-06-2012 8:26am

People remember the Suarez incident, right? How are you at all surprised? People love any old excuse to point the finger and hop on the moralistic soapbox. And what the people love sells papers.

Leiva · 07-06-2012 8:42am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

People remember the Suarez incident, right? How are you at all surprised? People love any old excuse to point the finger and hop on the moralistic soapbox. And what the people love sells papers.

One thing baffles me and maybe it comes with getting that little bit older, but my God how can people buy these rags ?.

Is it just a symptom/by product of a general drop in national I.Q ?

amiable · 07-06-2012 8:45am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

People remember the Suarez incident, right? How are you at all surprised? People love any old excuse to point the finger and hop on the moralistic soapbox. And what the people love sells papers.

Especially in the UK imo

amiable · 07-06-2012 8:51am

Leiva wrote: »

One thing baffles me and maybe it comes with getting that little bit older, but my God how can people buy these rags ?.

Is it just a symptom/by product of a general drop in national I.Q ?

The amount of times I see people in the shops wearing a Liverpool jersey or training gear and buying The Sun is unbelievable.

LuckyLloyd · 07-06-2012 9:15am

Leiva wrote: »

One thing baffles me and maybe it comes with getting that little bit older, but my God how can people buy these rags ?.

Is it just a symptom/by product of a general drop in national I.Q ?

I'm no sociological expert and I'd imagine studies exist that would answer this question in depth one way or the other, but I wouldn't imagine that attitudes / intelligence / etc have changed all that much. I think instead that the difference is on the supply side as far as media is concerned. The Internet and greater speed / choice of communication has allowed specialisaton for and pandering to groups / sections of society that was nowhere near as possible 20 years ago. You now have mass consolidation in the media, and an overarching group will produce a range of publications that all speak to a very specific demographic. It's not just on the "rag" side of the equation remember. Check out an edition of the Guardian and see for yourself.

I'm sure the Daily Star have carried out extensive research into who is likely to buy their paper and have tailored it as per that research.

People live in their own little bubbles ever more really. For sure, there is more good information at your fingertips than ever before, but masses more bad information too. Check out the Conspiracy Theories forum on here for example. /derail

Sappy404 · 07-06-2012 9:33am

Ian Ayre thanks Steve Clarke and Kevin Keen as coaching pair leave Liverpool FC

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/07/06/ian-ayre-thanks-steve-clarke-and-kevin-keen-as-coaching-pair-leave-liverpool-fc-100252-31130365/

Leiva · 07-06-2012 9:46am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm no sociological expert and I'd imagine studies exist that would answer this question in depth one way or the other, but I wouldn't imagine that attitudes / intelligence / etc have changed all that much. I think instead that the difference is on the supply side as far as media is concerned. The Internet and greater speed / choice of communication has allowed specialisaton for and pandering to groups / sections of society that was nowhere near as possible 20 years ago. You now have mass consolidation in the media, and an overarching group will produce a range of publications that all speak to a very specific demographic. It's not just on the "rag" side of the equation remember. Check out an edition of the Guardian and see for yourself.

I'm sure the Daily Star have carried out extensive research into who is likely to buy their paper and have tailored it as per that research.

People live in their own little bubbles ever more really. For sure, there is more good information at your fingertips than ever before, but masses more bad information too. Check out the Conspiracy Theories forum on here for example. /derail

<insert> I don't wanna live on this planet anymore pic <insert>

wonderfullife · 07-06-2012 10:11am

~Rebel~ wrote: »

McGrath's comments were pretty much racist to be honest. (and Johnson said the comments were racist, not that McGrath was - big difference).

McGrath attacked Johnson for backing up Suarez, who he felt was innocent. Johnson rightly pointed out that picking on him, as the only black guy in the team, is in itself racist - what obviously should have happened is that McGrath would condemn the actions of all, rather than just the black guy. His comments were very much of an "us V's them" nature. Johnson is close friends with Suarez. He's entitled to back him up if he wants, regardless of the colour of his skin.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2111767/Glen-Johnson-Patrice-Evra-clear-didnt-want-shake-Luis-Suarezs-hand.html#ixzz1x4259qOE

Todays thing with Pacheco...absolutely pathetic from the tabloids.

No.

"Johnson claimed: "The McGrath thing ... that's actually racist. Saying what he said is racist."

That's not saying his comments are racist.....it's saying he's racist for saying what he said.

Anyway, Euros on tomorrow so not going to keep on about a well-worn-out topic, so last post on it!!!!

McGrath attacked the whole club first and foremost for wearing the tshirts (not just GJ):

" "Maybe Kenny [Dalglish] is trying to make a statement to the FA but I just think it is in bad taste that he sent them out in those T-shirts. It would have been much better for Liverpool Football Club if they had have worn anti-racism shirts."

Then said:

"If I was in Glen Johnson's situation, I'd have thrown the shirt to the floor. If that had been someone in my time and I'd heard the comments or I'd even suspected he was guilty – and obviously there has been a tribunal – then I would not wear a T-shirt with his name on it, saying all is well and good here."

That's expressing an opinion. If he was in the squad, as a black player, he couldn't have supported someone under suspicion of racism (and remember whether any of you like it or not he was found Guilty). That's not intrinsically racist, he's expressing his own opinion as a black person, that if he was in Johnsons shoes he would have acted very differently.

I can fully understand why people interpret singling GJ out as "racist" but i think it's more a case of "if i was him, i would do this.....". Nobody is perfect but it's just an opinion and taking pops at PM, evra, jason roberts, rugby players etc isn't clever.

/end.

Pachecho thing is a joke!

Kess73 · 07-06-2012 11:23am

amiable wrote: »

Especially in the UK imo

No better here in Ireland. There seems to be the same % of knuckle draggers here that accept whatever rubbish tabloids or similar spoonfeed them.

This very forum is, at times, a great example of people who seem unable to think for themselves and who just run with whatever rubbish is in a tabloid, on Sky etc without once questioning what they are reading/hearing.

Chucky the tree · 07-06-2012 11:25am

Mcgrath should have kept his mouth shut. Just looks like a stupid hypocrite after he defender Ron Atkinson.

Dub13 · 07-06-2012 11:33am

Gbear wrote: »

You wouldn't mind if tabloids didn't massively outsell broadsheets.

Anyone who reads tabloids and is reading this post - slap yourself in the face. You're part of the problem.

Its mad,the Rag sells just under 8 million copy's a day,while the Guardian sells about 1.1 million.

mike65 · 07-06-2012 11:36am

Applying the Graeme Le Saux test to white van men and builders suggests the Guardian will never be a big seller even in dashboard friendly "Berliner" format.

Dickerty · 07-06-2012 11:40am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Mcgrath should have kept his mouth shut. Just looks like a stupid hypocrite after he defender Ron Atkinson.

Once a defender, always a defender.

Dub13 · 07-06-2012 11:43am

mike65 wrote: »

Applying the Graeme Le Saux test to white van men and builders suggests the Guardian will never be a big seller even in dashboard friendly "Berliner" format.

A substantial number of ABC1 (better educated, better paid, better placed in managerial jobs) people read the rag,in fact more if them probably read the rag than the whole Guardian circulation.

So its not just a class thing,its endemic in our society.

G.K. · 07-06-2012 11:53am

Affellay looks as though he's staying at Barca, according to new reports.

D'Agger · 07-06-2012 12:05pm

G.K. wrote: »

Affellay looks as though he's staying at Barca, according to new reports.

Fack

Dickerty · 07-06-2012 12:13pm

Not sure we could have gotten him anyway, no CL footie, moving from Barca? He'd be aiming higher...

I can't wait for that first signing. I think it'll be a real statement from Rodgers, he'll want people to see him making his mark...

amiable · 07-06-2012 12:33pm

Dickerty wrote: »

Not sure we could have gotten him anyway, no CL footie, moving from Barca? He'd be aiming higher...

I can't wait for that first signing. I think it'll be a real statement from Rodgers, he'll want people to see him making his mark...

Heskey is available on a Bosman

Gbear · 07-06-2012 12:34pm

wonderfullife wrote: »

No.

"Johnson claimed: "The McGrath thing ... that's actually racist. Saying what he said is racist."

That's not saying his comments are racist.....it's saying he's racist for saying what he said.

Brush up on your grammar.

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's expressing an opinion. If he was in the squad, as a black player, he couldn't have supported someone under suspicion of racism (and remember whether any of you like it or not he was found Guilty). That's not intrinsically racist, he's expressing his own opinion as a black person, that if he was in Johnsons shoes he would have acted very differently.

So he's saying that Johnson, a guy who knows Suarez and can hear his explanation of what happened can't make up his own mind and should instead go over to the other side of the debate like an obediant little black person?
Oh, but it's ok, because he was "expressing an opinion", and of course, they can never be racist.:rolleyes:

wonderfullife wrote: »

I can fully understand why people interpret singling GJ out as "racist" but i think it's more a case of "if i was him, i would do this.....". Nobody is perfect but it's just an opinion and taking pops at PM, evra, jason roberts, rugby players etc isn't clever.

So Jonhson shouldn't take pops at players he perceives to be wrong? Why, because they're all black and black people should stick together?
I'd recommend you listen John Barnes' opinions on it. Not because he's black, but because he was one of the few in the whole debacle who didn't talk absolute ****e.

For future reference, any time you say "black people should..." replace "black people" with "people with black hair" or "people with green eyes" and see if your sentence still makes sense. If it doesn't, then what you were about to say was probably racist.

Dublin_Gunner · 07-06-2012 12:37pm

I assume I'm not the only one disappointed that Clarke is gone?

wicorthered · 07-06-2012 12:42pm

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I assume I'm not the only one disappointed that Clarke is gone?

Was he not part of a regime that led us to 8th place? If Kenny had to go so to did Clarke. Rodgers need to have his own team in place!

Gbear · 07-06-2012 12:45pm

wicorthered wrote: »

Was he not part of a regime that led us to 8th place? If Kenny had to go so to did Clarke. Rodgers need to have his own team in place!

Seemingly, he was also responsible for us having the 3rd best defence.

Vicxas · 07-06-2012 12:49pm

Gbear wrote: »

Seemingly, he was also responsible for us having the 3rd best defence.

That hopefully, shouldnt change.

yesno1234 · 07-06-2012 12:49pm

Very dissapointed with Clarke leaving, was one of the reasons I was happy Rodgers became manager, figured Clarke would stay.

whatawaster · 07-06-2012 12:52pm

Gbear wrote: »

Seemingly, he was also responsible for us having the 3rd best defence.

Yes, our defence improved from Hodgson’s time here, but that wouldn’t be hard.

Reina/Johnson/Skrtel/Agger/Enrique should be in the top few defences in the league imo

I wonder was it his idea for us to defend so deep? Because that may have saved us a goal or two during the season, but it sure as hell didn’t help the team overall.

I’m fairly apathetic on Clarke leaving. I have no idea the extent to which he was/wasn’t responsible for our terrible form last season, so I’m happy for Rodgers to choose his own man. Remember, while Clarke may be a great coach, we don’t know if he’d fit with Rodger’s ideas about defending, which it has to be said, were quite effective for Swansea last season.

Kess73 · 07-06-2012 12:54pm

Gbear wrote: »

Seemingly, he was also responsible for us having the 3rd best defence.

The one part of the team that has been between good and excellent for the best part of 13 years now is our defence.

There have been a few blips in form during that time, but by and large we have been solid in defensive terms. For me, Clarke gets far too much credit for the quality of our defense.

Will be interesting to see how he does as manager of WBA

NabyLadistheman · 07-06-2012 12:55pm

Did Rodgers not work under Clarke at Chelsea. Surely it would have been awkward with roles reversed here?

Kess73 · 07-06-2012 1:02pm

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Did Rodgers not work under Clarke at Chelsea. Surely it would have been awkward with roles reversed here?

Or maybe Rodgers simply does not rate him, or rates his own guy more highly.

ben.schlomo · 07-06-2012 1:17pm

Gbear wrote: »

Seemingly, he was also responsible for us having the 3rd best defence.

Awesome so we qualified for the defensive Champions League so :rolleyes:

JJJJNR · 07-06-2012 1:23pm

We've got the third best defense in the leeaague...FFS!!

D'Agger · 07-06-2012 1:32pm

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Awesome so we qualified for the defensive Champions League so :rolleyes:

Oh Ben how silly do you look - there's no such thing as the defensive champions league *scoffs

SlickRic · 07-06-2012 1:36pm

The Daily Mail (i know, i know, but hear me out), are reporting a £12.8m release clause in Olivier Giroud's contract.

is that worth a punt if true?

i've not seen enough of the French league to know what his performances have been definitively like...but i do know his stats are up there with the best in Ligue 1.

Dublin_Gunner · 07-06-2012 1:36pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

We've got the third best defense in the leeaague...FFS!!

But one of the worst attacks...

I really hope we get some transfers nailed down soon enough, so there's none of this last day rubbish wondering if we'll sign anyone (also before all the good players have signed / agreed new deals).

Dickerty · 07-06-2012 1:38pm

JJJJNR wrote: »

We've got the third best defense in the leeaague...FFS!!

Are you saying that as a positive for Clarke, or just general exasperation?

I think with the quality we have, and the lack of huge adventure in our game, that's not a huge surprise. Also, we rarely concede more than 2, unlike the likes of Newcastle, Everton, even Arsenal. The settling on Skittes and Agger together until the latter got injured played a huge part. But at the end of the day, we finished 8th. He was Asst Manager, not just defensive coach...

Dickerty · 07-06-2012 1:42pm

SlickRic wrote: »

The Daily Mail (i know, i know, but hear me out), are reporting a £12.8m release clause in Olivier Giroud's contract.

is that worth a punt if true?

i've not seen enough of the French league to know what his performances have been definitively like...but i do know his stats are up there with the best in Ligue 1.

You know, I don't think anything is off the table. Rodgers seems to want a specific type of player, and whether they are a big name or not, and what league they are coming from, I don't think that'll matter.

But Giroud is a big man, which we already have one of, and which seems to go against the Rodgers philosophy of playing to feet...

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