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North Wall

  • 30-08-2014 10:28pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭


    The connection between north wall and docklands line to glasnevin junction was beginning to be disconnected today and although not a highly used connection these days, is it a mistake to do so? And will further rationalisation begin in the yard as there is very little going on there these days?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭metrovick001


    Standard pratice in IE unfortunatly. Some accountant's spread sheet will give the right result at the end of the quarter.
    davidlacey wrote: »
    The connection between north wall and docklands line to glasnevin junction was beginning to be disconnected today and although not a highly used connection these days, is it a mistake to do so? And will further rationalisation begin in the yard as there is very little going on there these days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭BonkeyDonker


    Standard pratice in IE unfortunatly. Some accountant's spread sheet will give the right result at the end of the quarter.

    Which given the current state of things may be the right approach. It may be unpopular, but if it hardy used then it is the right decision.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Julius Seizure


    Bit shortsighted, any blockage on the Drumcondra route will mean North Wall, the Port and freight etc get cut off. Oh well.

    Maybe they'll use the space now to make a connection between the Drumcondra line and docklands letting Heuston trains run to Docklands via the tunnel, as there's plenty of capacity there. The main problem with tunnel routings was Connolly capacity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭Heisenberg1


    Bit shortsighted, any blockage on the Drumcondra route will mean North Wall, the Port and freight etc get cut off. Oh well.

    Maybe they'll use the space now to make a connection between the Drumcondra line and docklands letting Heuston trains run to Docklands via the tunnel, as there's plenty of capacity there. The main problem with tunnel routings was Connolly capacity.

    If there is blockage now even if they didn't remove this route how do they move the freight? as you say there is no connection from docklands to Heuston.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Julius Seizure


    If there is blockage now even if they didn't remove this route how do they move the freight? as you say there is no connection from docklands to Heuston.

    Good point. Well they could have with some reversing but yeah. Just seems a bit stupid to isolate a port.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭davidlacey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    davidlacey wrote: »
    Yes

    The points at Docklands were only left in situ to make for easier access for PW trains headed south of Connolly. I gather that it was seldom used and the points are needed elsewhere hence it's removal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Which given the current state of things may be the right approach. It may be unpopular, but if it hardy used then it is the right decision.

    whats popularity got to do with it? not that thats the reason in this particular case, but removing infrastructure because the operator is strapped for cash is never ever the right decisian and should never ever happen. BR did things like singling of lines, and even removing connections just to save a grand, as you can imagine the cost to put it back was probably more then any savings since the removal

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The points at Docklands were only left in situ to make for easier access for PW trains headed south of Connolly. I gather that it was seldom used and the points are needed elsewhere hence it's removal.
    any idea where they will be reused?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    any idea where they will be reused?

    I know that a lot of points in Inchicore are in bad need of replacement; some of them are in situ for over 120 years now. New points are extremely expensive to purchase and install so it's common enough to remove old ones and to reuse them were possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭davidlacey


    I know that a lot of points in Inchicore are in bad need of replacement; some of them are in situ for over 120 years now. New points are extremely expensive to purchase and install so it's common enough to remove old ones and to reuse them were possible.

    Which begs the question where did the Celtic tiger money go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭BonkeyDonker


    davidlacey wrote: »
    Which begs the question where did the Celtic tiger money go?

    Shiny new rolling-stock and wages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭h.gricer


    The points at Docklands were only left in situ to make for easier access for PW trains headed south of Connolly. I gather that it was seldom used and the points are needed elsewhere hence it's removal.
    It was last used Wednesday 23rd October 2013 for a materials train that worked Portlaoise to Docklands station via NW, when locomotive 072 reversed from Granaries to Docklands station to unload it's cargo of rails. I don't understand it's removal, tis a bit like, I don't use my little finger anymore so I may as well cut off
    Regards
    hg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    davidlacey wrote: »
    Which begs the question where did the Celtic tiger money go?

    Said points were repaired and fitted in 2007 with Celtic Tiger money so I guess it's still being put to use :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,558 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There were no trains out of docklands at 5 on Friday due to a "points failure" - was this real or due to removal work that over ran?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    There never was any Celtic Tiger money. We borrowed it all, that's why we're up the creek now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Nothing borrowed by the State during Tiger did anything like as much damage as guaranteeing Anglo did. In any event, there are more than enough threads on this board answering the question put - IE had a simply enormous infrastructural deficit. But even as that was being sorted, time and again people would ask this as if it was to deliver TGVs rather than to remove the threat of imminent fatal accidents.

    There was fault is that where lines needed major work, there was no obvious examination for the ongoing business case of the line before approving the works - Rosslare-Waterford arguably the best example, where rails were left and if I recall correctly stolen after the line was suspended.

    Edit: like Foynes, I would imagine Dublin Port would be told "we don't need it, if you do pay for it" if it was deemed freight-useful but not so for passenger.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭davidlacey


    There are pictures of north wall rationalisation on Facebook under the Irish permanent way group


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    dowlingm wrote: »
    Nothing borrowed by the State during Tiger did anything like as much damage as guaranteeing Anglo did. In any event, there are more than enough threads on this board answering the question put - IE had a simply enormous infrastructural deficit. But even as that was being sorted, time and again people would ask this as if it was to deliver TGVs rather than to remove the threat of imminent fatal accidents.

    There was fault is that where lines needed major work, there was no obvious examination for the ongoing business case of the line before approving the works - Rosslare-Waterford arguably the best example, where rails were left and if I recall correctly stolen after the line was suspended.

    Edit: like Foynes, I would imagine Dublin Port would be told "we don't need it, if you do pay for it" if it was deemed freight-useful but not so for passenger.
    your correct. infact i don't think it was very long after the DTA stole the service from us. certainly examining the case to do works would have been the right thing to do but this is ireland so arse ways is the way.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭h.gricer


    davidlacey wrote: »
    There are pictures of north wall rationalisation on Facebook under the Irish permanent way group
    Can you post a link, couldn't find it on facebook, just want to see how accurate it is.

    Regards
    h.gricer


  • Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭h.gricer




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Five Lamps


    h.gricer wrote: »

    Great photos though it's a pity that they don't label them better.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    h.gricer wrote: »

    Very odd group that. People praising them for the great job they are doing demolishing the network.


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