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Google to remove censorship from google.cn

  • 13-01-2010 3:12pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭


    http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html
    1/12/2010 03:00:00 PM
    Like many other well-known organizations, we face cyber attacks of varying degrees on a regular basis. In mid-December, we detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China that resulted in the theft of intellectual property from Google. However, it soon became clear that what at first appeared to be solely a security incident--albeit a significant one--was something quite different.

    First, this attack was not just on Google. As part of our investigation we have discovered that at least twenty other large companies from a wide range of businesses--including the Internet, finance, technology, media and chemical sectors--have been similarly targeted. We are currently in the process of notifying those companies, and we are also working with the relevant U.S. authorities.

    Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists. Based on our investigation to date we believe their attack did not achieve that objective. Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves.

    Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties. These accounts have not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on the users' computers.

    We have already used information gained from this attack to make infrastructure and architectural improvements that enhance security for Google and for our users. In terms of individual users, we would advise people to deploy reputable anti-virus and anti-spyware programs on their computers, to install patches for their operating systems and to update their web browsers. Always be cautious when clicking on links appearing in instant messages and emails, or when asked to share personal information like passwords online. You can read more here about our cyber-security recommendations. People wanting to learn more about these kinds of attacks can read this U.S. government report (PDF), Nart Villeneuve's blog and this presentation on the GhostNet spying incident.

    We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about freedom of speech. In the last two decades, China's economic reform programs and its citizens' entrepreneurial flair have lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty. Indeed, this great nation is at the heart of much economic progress and development in the world today.

    We launched Google.cn in January 2006 in the belief that the benefits of increased access to information for people in China and a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results. At the time we made clear that "we will carefully monitor conditions in China, including new laws and other restrictions on our services. If we determine that we are unable to achieve the objectives outlined we will not hesitate to reconsider our approach to China."

    These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered--combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web--have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China. We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China.

    The decision to review our business operations in China has been incredibly hard, and we know that it will have potentially far-reaching consequences. We want to make clear that this move was driven by our executives in the United States, without the knowledge or involvement of our employees in China who have worked incredibly hard to make Google.cn the success it is today. We are committed to working responsibly to resolve the very difficult issues raised.

    Posted by David Drummond, SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer

    This is pretty big news.
    Chinese government got busted pretty bad on this one.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Fair play Google.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Bout time


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,515 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Google blocked in China > some other search engine steps up and happily filters results > life goes on like nothing has happened


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭stevoman


    i heard it took................. ten minutes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭D


    Meh China will just ban access to google.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Fairplay to Google, and by the way Ciaran500, Google is alot more than a search engine, so the people are losing quite alot of services.

    On another note once I have google.ie I am happy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭Marvinthefish


    over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn

    So if the Chinese Govt don't agree, Google will just shut down in China and Baidu will be the only big search engine in China.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    msg11 wrote: »
    Fairplay to Google, and by the way Ciaran500, Google is alot more than a search engine, so the people are losing quite alot of services.

    All the other services have been blocked since last year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    All the other services have been blocked since last year.

    Jesus, thats very bad. Can't blame Google pulling out. Would not be a regular of Google.cn.

    I'm trying to understand this, but what is the problem between the goverment of China and Google? Is it that China can't be seen as a lower power to a large company & hates free speech?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭RoadKillTs


    Ya fair play to Google is right although they only have a 30% market share over there so that might be part of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Borneo Fnctn


    Type the word "Asian" into google image search with safe search turned off. See what comes up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    The auld chinese will have trouble finding 3 million squirt porn sites in 0.23 seconds.

    They'll never know what they're missing


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭IITYWYBMAD


    msg11 wrote: »
    Jesus, thats very bad. Can't blame Google pulling out. Would not be a regular of Google.cn.

    I'm trying to understand this, but what is the problem between the goverment of China and Google? Is it that China can't be seen as a lower power to a large company & hates free speech?

    Google accounts were hacked over the last few days. All the accounts where those of what the Chinese Government perceives as enemies of the state. The filtering has not been turned off yet btw.

    http://images.google.cn/search?gbv=2&hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen+square+protests&btnG=Google+%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&aq=f&oq=

    versus

    http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=tiananmen+square+protests&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Type the word "Asian" into google image search with safe search turned off. See what comes up.

    Er... no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Fair play Google.

    +1. Fair play Google. Its about time they did this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    <3 My Gmail


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    and world war 3 or the "google war" is believed to have been mainly caused by the google corporaton on ...............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    Doesn't America do pretty much the same thing to activists? And not even activists, but just people who exchange information that contain certain words?

    I know there's a difference between human rights activists and terrorists mind..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,962 ✭✭✭jumpguy


    Google just stopped short of accusing the Chinese government of spying tbh, but you're clearly meant to read between the lines. Google is actually not the biggest search engine in China, there's another one (which I just can't remember the name of atm), it's second-biggest if I recall correctly.


    Already when using Google China you can get some results on Tiananmen Square Massacre.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭mid


    jumpguy wrote: »
    Google is actually not the biggest search engine in China, there's another one (which I just can't remember the name of atm), it's second-biggest if I recall correctly.

    www.baidu.cn is the largest (60%+ marketshare), but the content is controlled by the chinese government


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    meh, I never use it anyway

    google.com does the job for me


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    jumpguy wrote: »
    ...here's another one (which I just can't remember the name of atm), it's second-biggest if I recall correctly.

    "Baidu" - the one they use most and is STRICTLY controlled by the government.

    Edit: some one mentioned it before me. :D

    Update: It seems that the chinese are even trying to keep quiet that Google is pulling out of the country.
    They don't want their people to ask "why?" Story HERE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,460 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    Fair play to google.
    If more big corporations took this stance, China would be forced to relax its censorship laws, which would likely lead to many of the other human rights issues being improved, as public opinion towards the government changes.

    See this for an idea what google in China is like:

    http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/060131-china.gif

    I actually tried this when I was in China, and it's 100% true. Not a mention at all of the Tiannemon Square massacre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    Why is everybody saying fair play to google on this?

    They agreed to censor the web in China. Despite protests about free speech they couldn't turn down the chance to grow into the world's largest market.

    It's not working out for them as they hoped so they're thinking of leaving.

    That's what I read from it anyway. I am y be grossly uneducated on the matter (in AH of all places :eek:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Google find out the cost of doing business in China outweighs the financial gains.

    China gives Google a great excuse to pull out and look like they want to live up to their "do no evil" maxim.

    Google pulls out.

    The world keeps spinning.

    I hope China doesn't decide to arrest any google employees and charge them with spying. It has precedent for this with multinationals who try to play hardball with them.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/mining/5771042/Four-Rio-Tinto-staff-arrested-in-China.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen+massacre

    Not so cheery now, filtering has been lifted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,161 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Ciaran500 wrote: »
    http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen+massacre

    Not so cheery now, filtering has been lifted.

    Good to see they have started to reverse their Chinese enforced filter.
    Sadly I'd expect the Chinese to crack down on this within hours or days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,161 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html


    This is pretty big news.
    Chinese government got busted pretty bad on this one.
    Lets be clear, We as of yet cannot be sure its the Chinese Government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,460 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    I believe that the censorship is only in China, so the chinese language google is uncensored here.

    lGoogle.ie is certainly censored in China anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Overheal wrote: »
    Lets be clear, We as of yet cannot be sure its the Chinese Government.

    Thats the point I was trying to make in the Politics forum. I would have been as well off posting in green issues for all the notice I got.

    Here is my post:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63972088&postcount=12


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,161 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    syklops wrote: »
    Thats the point I was trying to make in the Politics forum. I would have been as well off posting in green issues for all the notice I got.

    Here is my post:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63972088&postcount=12
    I stated similarly in the OP (if anybody cared to read it) that there is of course, other possibilities for who launched the attack against Google and Others.

    So far there has been no comment from the Chinese Government. Similarly, its too early to implicate or exonerate the Chinese Government from endorsing this attack, against Chinese Human Rights Activists.

    While I have a strong suspicion against the Chinese Government, I haven't seen any damning evidence yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    China should be disconnected from the internet until they remove all censorship. Censorship is the arch enemy of the internet and should not be tolerated in any form.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    China should be disconnected from the internet until they remove all censorship. Censorship is the arch enemy of the internet and should not be tolerated in any form.

    Nice idea but seeing as China virtually owns America (who controls the world hubs for the internet and the organisations running it) via billions and billions of loans made to the state, that won't happen.
    China has America by the balls (if America cares to admit it or not). The USA will and does - pander at the end of the day to China and lets them get away with everything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    About 5 people in China can actually read this.

    boards.ie blocked the majority of Chinese ip adresses because that's where most of the spam comes from.
    I think all may be blocked apart from those used by boardsies in China and they have to contact the Admins via e-mail to have specific ip adresses lifted.

    funny how the Chinese government will block most of the good stuff on the internet, but won't stop spammers. That's not really working within Communist ideals. :)


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    what happened china.... you used to be so cool....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    gotta hand it to google, theyre like the peoples company, everyone loves them. They seem to do everything right (and free) and still make millions from it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    Biggins wrote: »
    Nice idea but seeing as China virtually owns America (who controls the world hubs for the internet and the organisations running it) via billions and billions of loans made to the state, that won't happen.
    China has America by the balls (if America cares to admit it or not). The USA will and does - pander at the end of the day to China and lets them get away with everything.
    Not really tbh, a common misonception. America owes a lot of money to china yes, but that is the very reason America also has China by the balls believe it or not. China is completely relying on a healthy growing American economy if they want to survive their boom.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    wylo wrote: »
    Not really tbh, a common misonception. America owes a lot of money to china yes, but that is the very reason America also has China by the balls believe it or not. China is completely relying on a healthy growing American economy if they want to survive their boom.

    Ya think LOL? :pac:

    Have a read of this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241872/EXCLUSIVE-Inside-Chinas-secret-toxic-unobtainium-mine.html#ixzz0cVnHSm9d
    In this one case alone they supply 90% of material VERY much needed for their hi-tech companies to keep their doors open!
    'China has already supplied the rest of the world with 90 per cent of its rare-earths'.
    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241872/EXCLUSIVE-Inside-Chinas-secret-toxic-unobtainium-mine.html#ixzz0cXSpDqiR

    Should they decide not to give the material we all need, we are screwed - and they know it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Biggins wrote: »
    Ya think LOL? :pac:

    Have a read of this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241872/EXCLUSIVE-Inside-Chinas-secret-toxic-unobtainium-mine.html#ixzz0cVnHSm9d
    In this one case alone they supply 90% of material VERY much needed for their hi-tech companies to keep their doors open!


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241872/EXCLUSIVE-Inside-Chinas-secret-toxic-unobtainium-mine.html#ixzz0cXSpDqiR

    Should they decide not to give the material we all need, we are screwed - and they know it!
    I'd be wary of anything written in the Daily Mail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    It'd be easy to be cynical here and doubt Googles motivations aswell as lambast them for agreeing to the level of censorship they agreed to in the beginning and their conduct in China up to this point but fukk it. Fair play Google, keep doing no evil kids.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Terry wrote: »
    I'd be wary of anything written in the Daily Mail.

    99% of the time very true but the article seems genuine and clearly not out to be jingoistic in any one cause.
    Just good reporting for a pleasant change.

    By the way, a New York Times report that backs the same assessment: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/26/business/global/26rare.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=rare%20earth&st=cse
    Also note:
    China mines more than 99 percent of the world’s dysprosium and terbium.
    and:
    Some of the greenest technologies of the age, from electric cars to efficient light bulbs to very large wind turbines, are made possible by an unusual group of elements called rare earths. The world’s dependence on these substances is rising fast.
    Just one problem: These elements come almost entirely from China...


    Back on topic, Google shouldn't have gone into China in the first place.
    All they saw though was possible profit signs.

    Maybe now they are also getting out in time too!

    See:
    1. Contrarian Investor Predicts Crash in China
    2. As China Rises, Fears Grow on Whether Boom Can Endure
    3. Is China the Next Enron?
    (New York Times)

    and there is other European assessments reaching the same conclusion, I've come across too.


    There has been a number of confirmations now that Google has indeed lifted its Chinese enforced filters from its search engines WITHIN China.
    One news report: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/13/google.china.exit/
    Expect the Chinese government now to crack down on Google and turn them off and/or ban them now soon.

    Other related articles:

    Google's Chief Legal Officer on CNBC: http://is.gd/6cExi

    Washington Post on implications for the Chinese government: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/13/AR2010011301168.html

    Reuters - China Internet activists applaud Google: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60C1DA20100113?type=technologyNews

    More reactions from Chinese Internet Users: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-google-2010jan14,0,3880471.story

    Furious Google throws down gauntlet to China over censorship: http://is.gd/6cVPM

    China Digital Times: http://is.gd/6cSAn

    Human Rights Watch - Google Challenges Censorship: http://www.hrw.org/node/87654

    Guadian - Google Strikes a Blow to China's Great Firewall: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/13/google-china-censorship-firewall

    BBC - Google's Turn around In China: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8456622.stm


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Update: There are reports now that China has indeed started the rollout to block Google's search engine seeing as they have taken the Chinese gov' ordered filters off.

    The Chinese government has also blocked the worlds biggest internet movie site, IMDB.
    So much for freedoms in China. Once again the dictators are putting their boots down on the rights of the people!

    Links:

    * http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/china-blocks-number-one-movie-site-imdb-663458
    * http://twitter.com/KaiserKuo
    * http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/has-google-cn-block-started-already-663463


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