Most Cringeworthy Character in Star Trek History

mister_h · 21-11-2011 2:12pm #1

Like Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars, There have been many Cheesey Characters in Star Trek over the Years. Who fits the bill in your opinion?

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 2:35pm

The comic in the holodeck of the TNG episode The Outrageous Okana. Truly sickening stuff.

mister_h · 21-11-2011 2:40pm

EnterNow wrote: »

The comic in the holodeck of the TNG episode The Outrageous Okana. Truly sickening stuff.

SNL "Comedian" Joe Piscopo.

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 3:02pm

Liking this thread.

1. Captain Jellico (every authority nazi loving person likes this character, particularly Americans if trekbbs is anything to go by, and rates him above Picard, just shows how unready they are for the sophistication of the 24th century)
2. Janeway
3. Neelix
4. Harvey Mudd
5. Vic Fontaine
6. Kai Winn (smug duplicituous, sneaky, slimy, odious, religious fanatic, authoritarian, self serving...)
7. Commander Shelby
8. Tin Man (histrionic attention seeking...)

EnterNow wrote: »

The comic in the holodeck of the TNG episode The Outrageous Okana. Truly sickening stuff.

How could you not like The Outrageous Okana. He had an outrageous 80s haircut and an outrageous 80s sci fi biker/renegade appearance, in addition to an outrageously in your face personality. What's everyone's beef with the Outrageous Okana?

tallaghtmick · 21-11-2011 3:07pm

Each and every single "Irish" person in that episode of TNG *shudders*

Oh and neelix hes simply annoying.

mister_h · 21-11-2011 3:12pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Liking this thread.

1. Captain Jellico (every authority nazi loving person likes this character, particularly Americans if trekbbs is anything to go by, and rates him above Picard, just shows how unready they are for the sophistication of the 24th century)
2. Janeway
3. Neelix
4. Harvey Mudd
5. Vic Fontaine
6. Kai Winn (smug duplicituous, sneaky, slimy, odious, religious fanatic, authoritarian, self serving...)
7. Commander Shelby
8. Tin Man (histrionic attention seeking...)

Neelix Was painful to watch, so was Kes.

The Holograohic doctor and his obsession with singing.

Ensign Kims hammy acting.

Pretty much any of the 37's

WESLEY CRUSHER PEOPLE!!!!

mister_h · 21-11-2011 3:14pm

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Each and every single "Irish" person in that episode of TNG *shudders*

Oh and neelix hes simply annoying.

Don't forget the entire "Irish" cast in the fictional town of FAIR HAVEN

MARTYRYAN · 21-11-2011 3:20pm

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Each and every single "Irish" person in that episode of TNG *shudders*

Oh and neelix hes simply annoying.

Ha..I remember that one. I think they had a fire going in the cargo hold of the ship. Does anyone know the name oof that episode?

tallaghtmick · 21-11-2011 3:24pm

MARTYRYAN wrote: »

Ha..I remember that one. I think they had a fire going in the cargo hold of the ship. Does anyone know the name oof that episode?

BOOM!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_the_Long_Ladder

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 3:27pm

tallaghtmick wrote: »

BOOM!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_the_Long_Ladder

That episode makes Joe Piscopo look good in comparison

mister_h · 21-11-2011 3:31pm

What about the Sheliak? A Mysterious enigmatic race...or a guy in a glittery Duvet cover?

MARTYRYAN · 21-11-2011 3:33pm

tallaghtmick wrote: »

BOOM!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_the_Long_Ladder

Excellent, Thank you. I always had a soft spot for the intergalactic cailin. I can see now that it wasnt misplaced

tallaghtmick · 21-11-2011 3:33pm

Oh does anyone remember the virtual reality clown in Voyager?? he pissed me off something else :mad:

http://voy.trekcore.com/episodes/season2/2x23/guests.html

Although I love the actor

Plazaman · 21-11-2011 3:38pm

That daft bint who was the "expert" in that TNG episode about the Crystalline Entity. She made Data talk in her sons voice etc.

Naomi Wildman in Voyager deserves slaps too.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 3:39pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

How could you not like The Outrageous Okana. He had an outrageous 80s haircut and an outrageous 80s sci fi biker/renegade appearance, in addition to an outrageously in your face personality. What's everyone's beef with the Outrageous Okana?

Because his scenes were absolutely dreadful.

Regards Jaleco, em its entirely feasable to have characters that you 'love-to hate' without being a nazi loving American.

Ro: maaan! · 21-11-2011 3:41pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Liking this thread.

1. Captain Jellico (every authority nazi loving person likes this character, particularly Americans if trekbbs is anything to go by, and rates him above Picard, just shows how unready they are for the sophistication of the 24th century)
2. Janeway
3. Neelix
4. Harvey Mudd
5. Vic Fontaine
6. Kai Winn (smug duplicituous, sneaky, slimy, odious, religious fanatic, authoritarian, self serving...)
7. Commander Shelby
8. Tin Man (histrionic attention seeking...)

Winn? Are you serious? One of the best characters in all of Star Trek. You just described all of the interesting things about her. I don't really dislike Wesley or Neelix, but I can see how they'd be comparable to JarJar. Winn, Jellico, and to a lesser extent Shelby are good characters that the audience is pretty much supposed to dislike. They're not cringeworthy characters.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 21-11-2011 3:42pm

everyone nyarlothothep doesnt like is a nazi loving american
im not even sure he thinks it's possible to be american without loving nazis

mister_h · 21-11-2011 3:54pm

Ro: maaan! wrote: »

Winn? Are you serious? One of the best characters in all of Star Trek. You just described all of the interesting things about her. I don't really dislike Wesley or Neelix, but I can see how they'd be comparable to JarJar. Winn, Jellico, and to a lesser extent Shelby are good characters that the audience is pretty much supposed to dislike. They're not cringeworthy characters.

Now that i think of it i tend to agree. With the exception of Neelix and Wesley et al, the other characters are meant to be annoying in some way and thus fulfilled their role nicely. But while i agree that the Winn storyline was interesting, i used to hate her scenes with Bajoran Dukat or Major Kira. I liked when she shaped up to Sisko though.

Daith · 21-11-2011 3:55pm

Ro: maaan! wrote: »

Winn? Are you serious? One of the best characters in all of Star Trek. You just described all of the interesting things about her. I don't really dislike Wesley or Neelix, but I can see how they'd be comparable to JarJar. Winn, Jellico, and to a lesser extent Shelby are good characters that the audience is pretty much supposed to dislike. They're not cringeworthy characters.

Agreed. Hell Jellico made Troi wear a proper uniform. Good enough for me!

mister_h wrote: »

Now that i think of it i tend to agree. With the exception of Neelix and Wesley et al, the other characters are meant to be annoying in some way and thus fulfilled their role nicely. But while i agree that the Winn storyline was interesting, i used to hate her scenes with Bajoran Dukat or Major Kira. I liked when she shaped up to Sisko though.

I honestly think Winns best moment is with Kira in "Rapture". She tells Kira that the Cardassians arrested anyone teaching the word of the Prophets. While Kira had her guns to protect her, all Winn had was her faith. Then you wonder if it was all a bunch of lies when she admits that she never connected with the Prophets when the wormhole opened.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 3:56pm

mister_h wrote: »

Now that i think of it i tend to agree. With the exception of Neelix and Wesley et al, the other characters are meant to be annoying in some way and thus fulfilled their role nicely. But while i agree that the Winn storyline was interesting, i used to hate her scenes with Bajoran Dukat or Major Kira. I liked when she shaped up to Sisko though.

I loved any scene wit Dukat in it, he was epic.

Daith · 21-11-2011 4:05pm

EnterNow wrote: »

I loved any scene wit Dukat in it, he was epic.

Even "feel the love of the Pagh-Wraiths, red eye Dukat?"

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 4:08pm

Daith wrote: »

Agreed. Hell Jellico made Troi wear a proper uniform. Good enough for me!

Not good for me

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 4:08pm

Daith wrote: »

Even "feel the love of the Pagh-Wraiths, red eye Dukat?"

Obviously not as much as his normal character, but who else would you have play the role? Rom?

I thought he pulled it off well enough given the linear nature of the role

Daith · 21-11-2011 4:16pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Obviously not as much as his normal character, but who else would you have play the role? Rom?

I thought he pulled it off well enough given the linear nature of the role

I think it was more the need for the Pagh-Wraiths themselves. Easily could have set up the Founders as the Pagh-Wraiths, bump of the real Winn and replace her with a Founder.

Don't get me wrong, Alaimo did the best with the material but it didnt mean I had to like the character.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 4:29pm

Daith wrote: »

I think it was more the need for the Pagh-Wraiths themselves. Easily could have set up the Founders as the Pagh-Wraiths, bump of the real Winn and replace her with a Founder.

Don't get me wrong, Alaimo did the best with the material but it didnt mean I had to like the character.

I dunno, I like the whole psuedo-religious side to it.

I see what you mean re Alaimo, as Dukat though he was brilliant. DS9 had some pretty powerful actors really.

livinginkorea · 21-11-2011 6:36pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Liking this thread.

1. Captain Jellico (every authority nazi loving person likes this character, particularly Americans if trekbbs is anything to go by, and rates him above Picard, just shows how unready they are for the sophistication of the 24th century)
2. Janeway
3. Neelix
4. Harvey Mudd
5. Vic Fontaine
6. Kai Winn (smug duplicituous, sneaky, slimy, odious, religious fanatic, authoritarian, self serving...)
7. Commander Shelby
8. Tin Man (histrionic attention seeking...)

Totally agree with Kai Winn and Neelix. Winn actually got better but Neelix pretty much stayed the same...guess that kinda reflects the difference of the shows.

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 6:57pm

livinginkorea wrote: »

Totally agree with Kai Winn and Neelix. Winn actually got better but Neelix pretty much stayed the same...guess that kinda reflects the difference of the shows.

I'll admit DS9 was a vastly superior show to VOY. Neelix (the ship's cook) shouldn't have been at the senior staff meetings either.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 7:22pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I'll admit DS9 was a vastly superior show to VOY. Neelix (the ship's cook) shouldn't have been at the senior staff meetings either.

Nor should known terrorists, ex borg drones, criminals & civilians if you wanna look at it that way though

Ro: maaan! · 21-11-2011 7:33pm

He was the only member of the crew who knew anything about the area of space they were in. I'd have him in my meeting.

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 9:22pm

Ro: maaan! wrote: »

He was the only member of the crew who knew anything about the area of space they were in. I'd have him in my meeting.

He didn't really display much knowledge and once they got in deep to the delta quadrant he was obsolete in terms of info.

For the record Seven of Nine had incredible abilities which would justify her being on the board of senior staff. I don't know about the civilians, terrorists and criminals though, are the latter two Ro Laren and Tom Paris?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 21-11-2011 9:26pm

kes, chakotay, paris

cant thinko f anyone else who'd be a civilian on voyager

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 9:30pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

He didn't really display much knowledge and once they got in deep to the delta quadrant he was obsolete in terms of info.

For the record Seven of Nine had incredible abilities which would justify her being on the board of senior staff. I don't know about the civilians, terrorists and criminals though, are the latter two Ro Laren and Tom Paris?

By which time he'd proven himself as someone with a good instinct for exploration, trustworthy & reliable etc etc. They were hardly going to say thanks for your help Neelix, now get down to the mess & get working on Vulcan broth for us.

Seven of Nine was a massive potential security breach, regardless of her personality. We seen numerous times that Borg in close proximity cause problems for her.

The entire Maquis crew were considered terrorists.
Tom Paris was a criminal. I don't recall Ro Laren ever being on Voyager?
And there was usually a civilian of the week attending the meetings, be it alien or crew.

Thats sci-fi though, nitpicking that kinda stuff just defeats the purpose sure where would it end?

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 9:32pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

kes, chakotay, paris

cant thinko f anyone else who'd be a civilian on voyager

I'd have to dig deep to remember, but the likes of the Borg 'children' etc etc were at meetings I'm nearly sure. You get the idea though, someone who isn't part of Starfleet but yet is there in an advising role

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 9:40pm

EnterNow wrote: »

By which time he'd proven himself as someone with a good instinct for exploration, trustworthy & reliable etc etc. They were hardly going to say thanks for your help Neelix, now get down to the mess & get working on Vulcan broth for us.

Seven of Nine was a massive potential security breach, regardless of her personality. We seen numerous times that Borg in close proximity cause problems for her.

The entire Maquis crew were considered terrorists.
Tom Paris was a criminal. I don't recall Ro Laren ever being on Voyager?
And there was usually a civilian of the week attending the meetings, be it alien or crew.

Thats sci-fi though, nitpicking that kinda stuff just defeats the purpose sure where would it end?

I thought you were referring to trek in general.. Any bog standard Fed officer would display those qualities you mentioned. I don't see how Neelix was so special. In that case, they couldn't operate the ship without the Maquis. In a survival situation the standard protocols can be relaxed a little. I can kinda go with that, because they needed all the help they could get to run the ship effectively. My memory of Voy is hazy but I think he proved his worth early on, it wasn't like he started out at the top, I recall he was promoted from ensign to lieutenant, then demoted again. In relation to aliens/civvies, well that's not sci fi, that's just Voy, and this would also apply partially to everything I said above, because I'm straining for reasons as to why Chakotay was made no.1 and not Tuvok or why Tom Paris wasn't immediately sent to do the lower decks to do scrubbing duties. They should have taken the plot in a completely different direction but due to Berman it was pepsi equivalent to TNG's cola.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 9:45pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I thought you were referring to trek in general. In that case, they couldn't operate the ship without the Maquis. In a survival situation the standard protocols can be relaxed a little. I can kinda go with that, because they needed all the help they could get to run the ship effectively. My memory of Voy is hazy but I think he proved his worth early on, it wasn't like he started out at the top, I recall he was promoted from ensign to lieutenant, then demoted again. In relation to aliens/civvies, well that's not sci fi, that's just Voy, and this would also apply partially to everything I said above, because I'm straining for reasons as to why Chakotay was made no.1 and not Tuvok or why Tom Paris wasn't immediately sent to do the lower decks to do scrubbing duties. They should have taken the plot in a completely different direction but due to Berman it was pepsi equivalent to TNG's cola.

They would have managed without the Maquis crew, Voyager is a small ship & there wern't that many Maquis either. Plus they were all given a choice whether to stay or leave.

Chakotay was made 1st officer, so it would build a bridge of trust betwen the two crews.

Paris was kept at the helm because of his piloting skills, the whole reason he was on board in the first place.

It was all too comfortable & too Starfleet. Its a situation where Roddenberrys vision breaks down, & just seems more sci-fi than the very stories they're trying to tell.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 9:49pm

Oh & separately, the op has generated some great debate in here today - well done

nyarlothothep · 21-11-2011 10:00pm

EnterNow wrote: »

They would have managed without the Maquis crew, Voyager is a small ship & there wern't that many Maquis either. Plus they were all given a choice whether to stay or leave.

Chakotay was made 1st officer, so it would build a bridge of trust betwen the two crews.

Paris was kept at the helm because of his piloting skills, the whole reason he was on board in the first place.

It was all too comfortable & too Starfleet. Its a situation where Roddenberrys vision breaks down, & just seems more sci-fi than the very stories they're trying to tell.

They're better reasons based on your more detailed knowledge of the show. Yes it was all too comfortable and starfleet. But being sci-fi has nothing to do with it. In fact Voy was more based in badly written fantasy than in sci fi as everything was solved through magic and the conventional dictates of plot. Voy was a slap in the face to fans.

Myrddin · 21-11-2011 10:06pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

They're better reasons based on your more detailed knowledge of the show. Yes it was all too comfortable and starfleet. But being sci-fi has nothing to do with it. In fact Voy was more based in badly written fantasy than in sci fi as everything was solved through magic and the conventional dictates of plot. Voy was a slap in the face to fans.

Hard to argue with that

Cookie_Monster · 22-11-2011 3:04am

EnterNow wrote: »

Paris was kept at the helm because of his piloting skills, the whole reason he was on board in the first place.

that line always annoyed me, he never showed himself being all that great, and the ship does 99% of the work anyway...

GreenWolfe · 22-11-2011 4:10am

I know this isn't worst episode, but remember Code of Honor from TNG?

Every single character stunk, be it the Ligonians or the Enterprise crew. The whole episode made me cringe for the entire thing. Awful, awful show. The casting for the show was plain stupid, the director must have been quite the bigot. Johnathan Frakes called it a "racist piece of ****". And why was season 1 Picard so condescendingly smug?

The Valiant crew from the Red Squad on DS9 - I have to admit that I wasn't that sad when the whole bunch of jumped-up twits were blown up.

Trip Tucker. Bah!

Tuvix. The odd couple. In one body. In space. Ugh.

EMH Mk 2. Andy Dick is irritating, and I don't think he provided an adequate foil for the Doctor.

Katherine Pulaski. She came off as a huge bully to Data, and that was surprising considering the fact that Riker was no saint towards the guy for quite a while either. She just didn't seem to fit in really.

Drugs are bad, m'kay? :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K6n-QFm7Pc

Daith · 22-11-2011 12:52pm

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

Katherine Pulaski. She came off as a huge bully to Data, and that was surprising considering the fact that Riker was no saint towards the guy for quite a while either. She just didn't seem to fit in really.

I always liked her but the writers did seem to be trying too hard to turn her into McCoy. I did think she had more personality than Crusher though.

nyarlothothep · 22-11-2011 2:30pm

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I know this isn't worst episode, but remember Code of Honor from TNG?

Every single character stunk, be it the Ligonians or the Enterprise crew. The whole episode made me cringe for the entire thing. Awful, awful show. The casting for the show was plain stupid, the director must have been quite the bigot. Johnathan Frakes called it a "racist piece of ****". And why was season 1 Picard so condescendingly smug?

The Valiant crew from the Red Squad on DS9 - I have to admit that I wasn't that sad when the whole bunch of jumped-up twits were blown up.

Trip Tucker. Bah!

Tuvix. The odd couple. In one body. In space. Ugh.

EMH Mk 2. Andy Dick is irritating, and I don't think he provided an adequate foil for the Doctor.

Katherine Pulaski. She came off as a huge bully to Data, and that was surprising considering the fact that Riker was no saint towards the guy for quite a while either. She just didn't seem to fit in really.

Drugs are bad, m'kay? :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K6n-QFm7Pc

ahhahaaha, Data's reaction at the end, fcking priceless, that would be such a gazorra edit right there. This is what I like about season 1 TNG, including the lamentable Code of Honour, it just would never get on the screen these days, so cheesy, so deplorably bad, so brilliant! +1 on Pulaski, I forgot about her.

jayteecork · 22-11-2011 3:46pm

alkev · 26-11-2011 11:11am

Wesley Crusher and the entire cast of Enterprise

G-Money · 27-11-2011 1:07pm

Neelix and Kes.

Close thread

komodosp · 29-11-2011 5:54pm

Not really sure what people could have against Jellico! The only cringeworthy thing about him was his "Get it done" catch-phrase, which was obviously supposed to contrast with Picard's "Make it so".

But so many to choose from.. Vash, Q, Kes comes really close... Wesley... pretty much anyone from Voyager other than The Doctor or maybe Belanna. But THE most cringeworthy character has to be:

Jadzia Dax!

..Now, maybe it's just a quirk of being a Trill host of many different former personalities that gives her that odd kind of smugness that she constantly has on, with her bad porn-actor voice.... but then why wasn't Ezri Dax the same way? Or maybe all Trill hosts are really smug because they thing they're great having successfully gone through the whole process (Ezri didn't go through it all, of course) But I just grimaced every time she (Jadzia) had a scene on her own.

nyarlothothep · 29-11-2011 6:05pm

komodosp wrote: »

Not really sure what people could have against Jellico! The only cringeworthy thing about him was his "Get it done" catch-phrase, which was obviously supposed to contrast with Picard's "Make it so".

But so many to choose from.. Vash, Q, Kes comes really close... Wesley... pretty much anyone from Voyager other than The Doctor or maybe Belanna. But THE most cringeworthy character has to be:

Jadzia Dax!

..Now, maybe it's just a quirk of being a Trill host of many different former personalities that gives her that odd kind of smugness that she constantly has on, with her bad porn-actor voice.... but then why wasn't Ezri Dax the same way? Or maybe all Trill hosts are really smug because they thing they're great having successfully gone through the whole process (Ezri didn't go through it all, of course) But I just grimaced every time she (Jadzia) had a scene on her own.

They haven't really got a reason to be smug when they have a giant turd parasite thing inside them.

GreenWolfe · 30-11-2011 4:19am

komodosp wrote: »

Jadzia Dax!

..Now, maybe it's just a quirk of being a Trill host of many different former personalities that gives her that odd kind of smugness that she constantly has on, with her bad porn-actor voice.... but then why wasn't Ezri Dax the same way? Or maybe all Trill hosts are really smug because they thing they're great having successfully gone through the whole process (Ezri didn't go through it all, of course) But I just grimaced every time she (Jadzia) had a scene on her own.

I quite liked Jadzia. Except for those Klingon quests, that whole thing seemed a bit forced. I know she was tying up loose ends from Curzon's lifetime, but it didn't really work for me. Smugness or confidence? Poor acting on her part, maybe.

It wasn't just Jadzia or Curzon I think. Remember "Invasive Procedures"? Verad gets a complete personality change when he gets the Dax symbiont for a short time. He was rejected from the program, so I'll assume (probably incorrectly) that he got little or no training.

The real rationale for that was to have completely different characters, I think. Not much point in replacing Jadzia with another Jadzia imo.

nyarlothothep wrote: »

They haven't really got a reason to be smug when they have a giant turd parasite thing inside them.

I thought host and symbiont lived in symbiosis? I think the creatures that tried to take over Starfleet in S1 TNG would fit that description better.

I didn't like Ezri at all. I've always thought of her as a valley girl, she seemed so ditzy and so ready to leap out of her own skeleton. That didn't work for me either, it was supposed to show how new and unfamiliar she was to her assignment and symbiont and stuff. It got really annoying very quickly.

I like John De Lancie's Q. The son of his was annoying, and the female Q really did make me cringe now that I come to think of it.

goose2005 · 30-11-2011 12:27pm

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

I know this isn't worst episode, but remember Code of Honor from TNG?

Every single character stunk, be it the Ligonians or the Enterprise crew. The whole episode made me cringe for the entire thing. Awful, awful show. The casting for the show was plain stupid, the director must have been quite the bigot. Johnathan Frakes called it a "racist piece of ****". And why was season 1 Picard so condescendingly smug?

The Valiant crew from the Red Squad on DS9 - I have to admit that I wasn't that sad when the whole bunch of jumped-up twits were blown up.

Trip Tucker. Bah!

Tuvix. The odd couple. In one body. In space. Ugh.

EMH Mk 2. Andy Dick is irritating, and I don't think he provided an adequate foil for the Doctor.

Katherine Pulaski. She came off as a huge bully to Data, and that was surprising considering the fact that Riker was no saint towards the guy for quite a while either. She just didn't seem to fit in really.

Drugs are bad, m'kay? :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K6n-QFm7Pc

A good parody of it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkF53gdnkZk

G-Money · 01-12-2011 12:22pm

Surprised to see Q mentioned on this thread, but I guess just because I like him it doesn't mean everyone else does

Bog Cotton · 05-12-2011 11:58pm

Alexander Roschenko! definitely the most cringe-worthy character ever.

Most Cringeworthy Character in Star Trek History

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