Is Everything in the News TV/Newspapers a Lie?

It's propaganda a majority of the time.
There is no absolute I would say.
Propaganda, is using partial truth or truth to convey an idea in a way that it also seems true and is supported by the truths used.

Or a better explanation I looked up.
propaganda definition. Official government communications to the public that are designed to influence opinion. The information may be true or false, but it is always carefully selected for its political effect.

Since the mass media and government are owned by corporations and rich families(through corporations), I tend to avoid them as much as I can.
It can be advantageous to read news headlines, once you have the understanding that they have an agenda, and with the purpose of investigating said agenda, but not for making our own opinions. I leave that to research and critical thinking. Often considering a certain researched thing to be so, I still leave room in my mind to remember that I may not have all the facts and to keep an open mind.

If the truth serves their purpose, they will tell the truth. But often it does not serve and it benefits them to add opinion.

darrenw5O94 wrote: »

Just wondering if anything in the news is true or is it all a big fat lie and the joke is on us?

So all the lottery tickets I've rolled into a ball and thrown away thanks to getting the numbers off the news, might have been winning ones.

But seriously what news do you mean? Straight forward news as in crime is well, straight forward. I imagine you are more suspicious of international events as in Ukraine and the Middle East.

Personally I tend to accept our own broadcasters plus the BBC as honest reporting. News editors and reporters will invariably put a news worthy slant on items, they are after all in competition with each other.

News in the States tends to be aimed at the demographic that they are hoping to attract, Fox News would be a prime example.

I was amused at some views expressed recently about the large anti water protest in Dublin and RTE's coverage. Do people really think that RTE dances to the tune of whatever Government is in office. What have RTE to gain by understating the numbers that attended, particularly when social media is so accessible.

For me it is these small independent (sic) news feeds on twitter and other mediums that are partisan in their reporting. The journal.ie is in reality just a business that reports news to make money, the standard of its journalism on some stories is just shocking in its banality.

Truly independent news organisations are like hen's teeth these days and for me the BBC is the benchmark.

Alex jones is a fear monger. He doesn't really bring much in the way of solutions and talks over reasonable opinions, if it doesn't serve his agenda at the time.
I wouldn't trust anyone really....

that's a mild way of putting it i guess

Not that a big a deal, no, not really. It all boils down to this, you cant believe everything you read in the newspapers. That's not to say you cant believe anything they print. Mixing the truth with a lie is usually the most effective lie.

darrenw5O94 wrote: »

I guess i meant the news channels and newspapers on the foreign stories.

The list could be endless.

Was the Boston Bomb real (with the wheelchair dude pic on the front pages with no legs)?
Was the Sandy Hook shooting real?
Did a passenger plane hit the Pentagon on 9/11?
Did the 2 atomic bombs in japan in WWII actually go off?
Were the London 7/7 bombings a hoax?
Have the CIA actually got spy satalites orbiting the planet?
Is there really a US war in the Middle East?
Was Sadam Hussein actually the leader of Iraq?
Are ISIS a fake terrorist organisation controlled by the US?
IS the Ebola a scare mongering hoax?
Was the Bird Flu real?
Osama Bin Laden assination by US, hoax or true?
Are Nuclear bombs real or fake? (the Middle East pantomine based on these weapons)
IS the International Space Station real?
IS space travel actually possible?
Did Dinosaurs exist......ever?

They are main topics in the international news over the years, but even a lot of everyday stories on news channels and national papers is severly slanted in some way.

Well we can put our opinions out there i guess, but thatis all theywill be, even facts are not 100%. The Sun is larger than the earth, apparently. But I haven't been there to check and I could be living ina matrix for all I know and you lot are just robots
why do you torture me so!

On those questions I throw out my generalopinion, but some I am still not really sure. That is the power of progadanda. You may never know in some cases....

Boston bombing... I think mayhave been false flag and may have happened, but was purely a distraction tactic for somethign else that I have not discovered or bothered to find out. Probably some legislation in congress or something of that nature. Keeps the news stations and people watching busy and entertained with fear and fascination.

Sandy hook, probably real, may be fake, again may not matter, either way it was most likely a tactic to ban certain guns or to distract once again. Disrupting investigations and messing them up to keep the controversy going..

9/11 pentagon...hmm there is a whole forum in the sub section dedicated to the 9/11 topic. It goes round in circles and still probably not solid answers. One reason to encourage it to go around in circles, argueing over individual incidents, is to distract from the big picture. The realquestion is who benefits the most. Bam! mystery solved, next please haha

2 atomic bombs in Japan. Never researched it. I personally just consider it to be so. Well at least one I would think. It's hard to fake something that big I think. But an interesting thought all the same.

7/7 bombings, I think happened and were a false flag, used to helpmotivate the british to continue the war in the middle east when spirits were falling and people were beginning to protest about the legitimacy of the current war. I think it happened around 2005, Britain had already done iraq at that stage I think.. Man that was a long time ago already ^^

Cia satellites.. possibly! I haven't been keeping count of their rockets anyway.. Wouldn't put it passed them.

US war in middle east? Pretty sure they are currently killing people right now and on a daily basis.

Sadam leader? Nah I doubt it personally. i don't think there are leaders as the world likes to think.There are puppets wholook like leaders and act like dictators.But theyare not thatpowerfull compared to the people who fund them and fund the US empire etc. Saddam was a puppet dictator who was used and thrown away.

ISIS fake? Half true I think. I would think the seeds were planted by some foreign group, seeking to destablilize the region. It is handy to recruit locals through their belief systems and turn them on their own people and others. It allows the foreign armies to invade under the guise of peace keeping.
Among intellectuals in the world political scene, this is something that is generally considered the case I would think. It seems pretty damn obvious after the couple of test runs in the past..

Ebola hoax? I reckon its a real virus. Possibly manufactured. The idea the latest incident was a hoax seems alsovery plausible. A good way to sell medication and create a panic for countries to stock upon useless medications. It's nearly always business related..

Bird flu I think real, but just another flu strain.

Bin laden, looks like a hoax to me, his family was very friendly with the bush family I think. And his replacement didn't look anything like him when Fox news and CNN represented him on TV some time later. It was a different person then. He was most likely already well away.

Nukes are real I am sure. The pantomime I thinkis partly real and partly for show. There is whatthe media is allowed to hear and say and whatis going on in the background regarding money, oil based on currencies and alliances regarding all this.
If the Americans don't get a foot into the middle east, china and Russia will tag team it themselves and split it between them..
Israel is a convenient thorn( for the US) in the middle easts side in regards to this I guess.

Space station real? I think so. Why not? They can get planes into orbit for sure, a couple of rockets to bring up parts and you can imagine it possible to orbit a station. Quite an achievement though!

Space Travel.. I think it is possible to get outside out atmosphere, but I am unsure on the truth regaridng dangerous radio or gamma waves(or whatever it is) that may make it impossible to go far as organic life forms as complex as humans If they exist in such a way... I hold some small tiny doubts too though..

Dinosaurs. Yes, it adds up in my view. Not a weird question either. I am more curious about giant humans! Most likely hoaxs, but that smallpart of me that loves fantasy and the intrigue wants to believe there were humans over 10-15 feet tall

Phew!. over and out! if my typing seems bad, it's because my spacebar is half broken and I am dyslexic lol

http://rt.com/news/249001-spy-satellites-disclosed-russia/

darrenw5O94 wrote: »

I would like to believe the RT channel, but its the Russian version of US tv

That's the kind of reply I like to hear

"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order." -Carl Jung

If there are similar patterns in both sides propaganda, it might be possible to take away new information, either discounting the common factors or applying a pattern to them, where new/extended common factors can be drawn up.
So I see some use for propaganda. It's kind of a practice in decryption.
If you watch that recent film about the guy who broke the enigma code, you will see an example of what I mean(when they finally get the key factor). I don't want to let any spoilers out though.

Like most experiments doesn't the observation affect the result. Those who think that news reporting is biased in a hide the truth kind of way, will invariably see it as such and those who don't (like me) will not think it is. Your political or social leaning will change the way you view the news as reported.

As I said in an earlier post, all news stories be they print or broadcast are under editorial review and control. If we use Fox news in the states as an example, they report to a certain demograph, as in those tending to the right and republican. They report news that is of an interest to that group and MSNBC will cover the rest. They both know their audience, are they lying in their reporting; or just choosing the stories and the coverage they will give them.

I stand over my earlier post that the BBC (for me) are the benchmark to judge all other mainstream news reporting. Reuters and AP tend to just cover stories and let those who use their services to cherry pick information.

When you look at the shear size of the BBC news group as in regional and the world service, it seems that to put a particular slant on news stories would be difficult enough considering the shear amount of editors and reporters to influence.

I'm composing this reply while watching the RTE News, do I think it is biased; no. Did they cover say the Water protests to some peoples liking, they will probably say no. Is that deliberate by them, well they edit the news so yes, but to effect public opinion; well again no in my opinion. If they are controlled by the Government, I would imagine much more stories on violent protests been shown to turn middle Ireland against the No water groups.

I trust RTE and the BBC to report news to be as factual as is editorially possible, I watch Fox News for their comedic value. I have to laugh when the alex jones website claims to be a 'news' site when it is as biased as is humanly possible. I'm sure people will have their own news sites etc that they view to be unbiased.

Torakx wrote: »

I think the only unbiased news site I can think of right now is Waterford Whispers.
Reg'Stoy, I think you are too close to the BS to see it. I can't even watch RTE in a sarcastic manor any more. It's so bad it isn't funny. Granted CNN and FOX can actually be funny once in a while.
I guess RTE propaganda is effective, if I find it too dry haha

Who do you trust for news, and would you have an example of a story that differed over the different news mediums. Was the reporting untrue, or did they not cover it to your liking.

You know that Waterford Whispers is a satire site, right?

So...their stories are just as "made-up" as any others.