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The Ard Ri Hotel, Ferrybank, Waterford.

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  • #52
    Jambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Jambo


    fricatus wrote: »
    Has any timeline been given for this? Planning, appeals, construction, etc...


    The Owner Seamus Walsh (?) mentioned on his interview on WLR (when this was announced) that he hoped to open doors in 2.5 to 3 years time all going well.

    Since this was announced two or so weeks ago there seems to be work going on site daily since then , I am guessing is simple housekeeping and securing the site since it has been neglected for so long.


  • #53
    goochy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭goochy


    sorry maybe its just me , but I don't live in Waterford and I always know it as Jurys ?


  • #54
    BBM77
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    id say there were many falls and other things happend on that hill during/after that nite club lol

    I took a short cut down through the grass one night after a work Christmas party years ago. It was quite an achievement getting down the steep incline after a feed of pints. How I didn’t slip and roll down I’ll never know!


  • #55
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    goochy wrote: »
    sorry maybe its just me , but I don't live in Waterford and I always know it as Jurys ?

    Ard Ri (High King) was is the name on the roof for years and that's what most of us still call it and probably always will. The actual owner was irrelevant


  • #56
    bullpost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,234 ✭✭✭bullpost


    I've rolled up it a few times. Found it pretty easy ;)
    BBM77 wrote: »
    I took a short cut down through the grass one night after a work Christmas party years ago. It was quite an achievement getting down the steep incline after a feed of pints. How I didn’t slip and roll down I’ll never know!


  • #57
    Dunmoreroader
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Ard Ri (High King) was is the name on the roof for years and that's what most of us still call it and probably always will. The actual owner was irrelevant

    Actually I think it was called Ardree, it's original name, longer than it was Ard Ri or Jurys.


  • #58
    fricatus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    Dunmoreroader wrote: »
    Actually I think it was called Ardree, it's original name, longer than it was Ard Ri or Jurys.

    Yes, that's right. I think the name changed like this over the years:

    Ardree Hotel
    Jury's Ardree Hotel
    Jury's Hotel
    McEniff Ard Rí Hotel


  • #59
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Yep now you mentioned it I can see the name design in my minds eye


  • #60
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    Any idea if they will knock it down and start from scratch?

    The old block design is very dated looking from Irelands regrettable 60s and 70s "modern" architecture.


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  • #61
    Aquos76
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    MartyMcFly84 wrote: »
    Any idea if they will knock it down and start from scratch?

    The old block design is very dated looking from Irelands regrettable 60s and 70s "modern" architecture.

    Nope, its been redeveloped rather than demolished


  • #62
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    They can easily put a modern facade on an old lego structure.


  • #63
    Sosurface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 229 ✭✭Sosurface


    I dont get it. Why redevelop not demolish if "5 star" is the aim. Its a monstrosity of a building with no redeeming features on a par with Busarus.


  • #64
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    Sosurface wrote: »
    I dont get it. Why redevelop not demolish if "5 star" is the aim. Its a monstrosity of a building with no redeeming features on a par with Busarus.

    The most obvious reason I would assume.....cost!!


  • #65
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Sosurface wrote: »
    I dont get it. Why redevelop not demolish if "5 star" is the aim. Its a monstrosity of a building with no redeeming features on a par with Busarus.

    Prob take a look at how the Central Bank Of Ireland will have transformed what was quite an ugly concrete half shell left over from the mess of what Anglo Irish wanted to move into on the Dublin Quays. Looks very impressive at the moment.

    I'd say re-using the current Ard Rí building and redesigning it would be an architects dream challenge.


  • #66
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    I dont have an eye for these things, will be interested to see what they can do with it. Just the base structure is not flattering, find it hard to see what they can do that is not a large rectangle. But Anything will be an improvement on what it is now.

    I heard that there used to be old castle like ruins on the hill that were knocked down to build the hotel.

    Anyone know if true or the history behind it?


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  • #67
    jelutong
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    It was a dwelling house not a ruins.


  • #68
    beazee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭beazee


    Owned by Mr. Larry Forristal, ship owner and merchant, director of the Old Bridge Company (Timbertoes).

    The turrets were added c.1860 by Henry Francis Slattery, Manager of the National Bank, who was mayor of Waterford 1871 and later became Sir Henry Slattery when he was called to London as a Bank director.

    The house (castle) was subsequently sold to a Mr. Fleming.

    The proper name of it was Knockane Villa, Edward Fleming who died on June 4th 1883 is buried in Thomastown Graveyard, County Kilkenny.

    Demolished January 1968.

    Aerial view:
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    Above North Quays:
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    Up on the hill:
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    Far right on the photo (showing Hearnes temporary premises, erected after the fire in 1915, Portlairge behind the building)
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    Top left:
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  • #69
    MartyMcFly84
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    That is fantastic.

    Thanks for the great informative post.


  • #70
    Sosurface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 229 ✭✭Sosurface


    Absolutely mindless. Between that and the beautiful train station buildings destroyed to make way for that abomination across the bridge, Irish architects and planners of well pretty much every era post indepence should be hung for crimes against their profession.


  • #71
    Dunmoreroader
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    Knockane Villa (Fleming's Castle) was knocked, not to make way for the Ardree, but for the tennis courts up the back that nobody ever used.


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  • #72
    jelutong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭jelutong


    Dunmoreroader wrote: »
    Knockane Villa (Fleming's Castle) was knocked, not to make way for the Ardree, but for the tennis courts up the back that nobody ever used.

    And a pathway to Waterford Golf Club that was
    never used either.


  • #73
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    Sosurface wrote: »
    Absolutely mindless. Between that and the beautiful train station buildings destroyed to make way for that abomination across the bridge, Irish architects and planners of well pretty much every era post indepence should be hung for crimes against their profession.

    Spot on. Change should always be opposed. Live in the presence tense and think no further


  • #74
    Sosurface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 229 ✭✭Sosurface


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Spot on. Change should always be opposed. Live in the presence tense and think no further

    Change for change sake should be opposed yes. How does an architect even practice without even a basic appreciation of aesthetics? A concrete rectangle is what you'd expect to get if you left a structural engineer design everything. Architects are supposed to have an eye for this stuff like.


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