Luas Line C1 work to commence soon

Poxyshamrock · 03-05-2007 11:13pm #1

The Construction work on the Luas Line C1 from Connolly to the Docklands is to begin at the end of this month. The Work is said to begin after the Docklands Fun Run which takes place on the 22nd of May afaik. I will admit it's great to see it start but the thing I very worry about is the traffic congestion it will cause, especially at the place where they are building the new Luas Bridge.

mikemac · 04-05-2007 12:26am

Good news.
If they somehow manage to knock out the electricity in the IFSC, imagine the chaos:eek:

Victor · 08-05-2007 10:05am

http://www.rpa.ie/cms/download.asp?id=201

Slice · 08-05-2007 12:17pm

On a slightly different topic - have they started on the Cherrywood extension to the green line? There appears to be alot of construction going on around Leopardstown roundabout and roads in that area

Zebra3 · 08-05-2007 1:24pm

When the Luas comes into Connolly, I assume the driver will have to get out and walk to the far end to continue with the journey after the extension is built.

Ste.phen · 08-05-2007 8:16pm

Of course not, that would be stupid, and a sign of a serious lack of planning.

He'll jog.

Cionnfhaolaidh · 09-05-2007 12:37am

Will some trams skip Connolly and go straght to the point!

Mushy · 09-05-2007 4:27pm

When is this scheduled to finish? A different option from walking to the Point...about time(without it being in a car)

spacetweek · 09-05-2007 5:23pm

Mushy wrote:

When is this scheduled to finish? A different option from walking to the Point...about time(without it being in a car)

It's in the image Victor linked to above - the end of 2009. This is actually late, as it was down for 2008 in the Transport 21 manifesto.

Maskhadov · 09-05-2007 8:33pm

2010, well not that long away seeing were 1/2 way through 2007. It shouldnt cause that much traffic problems seeing that not a whole pile of traffic goes through Mayor Street.

Poxyshamrock · 09-05-2007 11:45pm

Cionnfhaolaidh wrote:

Will some trams skip Connolly and go straght to the point!

Yeah, I'm sure it'll be a case of every second tram. eg. Tallaght to Point then Tallaght to Connolly.

That's the way it works on some lines on the London Underground and it's a great system.

SeanW · 10-05-2007 2:42am

only there's no need for that - it should have been designed to allow a contiguous through run without a reverse. Emphasis on, should have been ... anyways it's not that long a run from the proposed junction to the Connolly platforms so there would be no real time saving in skipping it.

spacetweek · 10-05-2007 1:12pm

SeanW wrote:

only there's no need for that - it should have been designed to allow a contiguous through run without a reverse. Emphasis on, should have been ... anyways it's not that long a run from the proposed junction to the Connolly platforms so there would be no real time saving in skipping it.

Poxyshamrock is referring to the time saved by the driver not having to get out and head for the other end of the tram, which could be up to 2-3 mins.

I'm not sure the plan will be of the form Tallaght->Connolly then Tallaght->Point, as this would mean the Point would only get half as many services as everywhere else on the Red line. But then, the population along the Connolly->Point corridor won't be high for several years to come, and most people getting on at Connolly will be heading for town, not the Point.

Also, SeanW, it would have been hard to set Connolly up as a terminus without using the ramp space - I don't see how it could have been any other way. The part of Mayor St outside the station beside the Harbourmaster is too narrow for a Luas terminus. In any case, it's possible that the nature of the arrangement - where there will be a dead end leading into Connolly - was actually intended all along.

loyatemu · 10-05-2007 1:51pm

you could add a couple of drivers to the shift and have them swap out at connolly. Given how ridiculously slow the heuston-connolly section is anyway (does the tram get any priority?) I doubt they're too worried about a 2 minute changeover at Connolly

dowlingm · 10-05-2007 3:02pm

IIRC it would have been possible with the previous layout to run direct to the point but they messed around with the ramp because they thought they'd never need to run to the Point

Just like they'd never need to link the Green and Red...

Victor · 13-05-2007 10:29pm

Line C and C(S) - from O'Connell Street to Connolly is / was a shambles. The stops were meant to be more balanced, at Jervis (Line A), Easons, VHI, Busaras and Connolly (All Line C / C(S)).

The had to do something until Line C1 was decided upon so they built on the Connolly ramp site.

In deciding C1 they procrastinated so long that Mayor Street looked more favourable than Sheriff Street. When that was settled, CIE decided in their great wisdom to put Docklands Station and the proposed intercity bus station (in the Connolly car park) on Sheriff Street.

So much for "planning".

Chris_533976 · 14-05-2007 11:51am

If you look at that map you'll see that the Point LUAS stop is as far away from the front doors of the Point as it possibly could be.

Bluetonic · 14-05-2007 1:05pm

Chris_533976 wrote:

If you look at that map you'll see that the Point LUAS stop is as far away from the front doors of the Point as it possibly could be.

The stop refers to the Point Village, of which it will be in the middle of.

dowlingm · 15-05-2007 5:24pm

The problem with separating CIE and LUAS is that they seem to be at odds with each other - Broadstone is looking like another version of this with LUAS wanting the Broadstone alignment and CIE pulling a "we need it too" out of its ass after years of telling people it wasn't needed any more and parking buses there was the greater need.

RadarControl · 02-06-2007 5:43pm

Does anybody know if this work has started yet? I was down in the IFSC last week and could not see any sign of it started. Mind you they probably have to wait for Martin Cullen to be re-appointed as Minister of Transport before they can start. He would have to turn the sod as usual.

Victor · 02-06-2007 5:56pm

Apparently they are doing work on Upper Mayor Street (towards The Point)

Transport21 Fan · 02-06-2007 6:06pm

No big deal about the Luas drivers walking from one end of the trams to the other.

This is not a CIE union employee we are dealing with and hence, the Luas driver will be capable of moving his legs at normal human walking pace... proceeding from one driving cab to the other without having a chat with Anto about the "Da Pool" match on SkySports the previous night, until they are interrupted by Deko who comes over annoyed that the union is a bit slow on setting his young lad up with a job, as the three of them then start planning to screw Irish taxpayers and commuters with the stress strike before the 10m section arrive, before all agreeing that "FF are shower of gangsters, can't believe they got back in again and Labour didn't get a landslide so the quality public transport we provide would be protected from greedy bastards who don't care about da commuters. and then they all light up their fags under the NO SMOKING sign..."

Meanwhile the passengers looking at their watches are wondering what car they are going to buy tomorrow.

Yes indeed. I am fairly confident that any reversing at Connolly will not be a problem...

Aquavid · 02-06-2007 6:42pm

I just crack up every time I read that phrase in his press releases. If you asked me he "turned sod" years ago . .

Aquavid

Idbatterim · 02-06-2007 7:07pm

spot on Transport 21 Fan!

the whole benchmarking process etc now that things are starting to turn in the economy is a total joke and totally out of line with reality, (pity we cant all work for the cushy public sector) also a pity we didnt get a private terminal at the airport and put those strike mongers back into place!

Victor · 02-06-2007 7:10pm

On topic please.

D'Peoples Voice · 03-06-2007 10:56am

RadarControl wrote:

Does anybody know if this work has started yet? I was down in the IFSC last week and could not see any sign of it started. Mind you they probably have to wait for Martin Cullen to be re-appointed as Minister of Transport before they can start. He would have to turn the sod as usual.

We got a notice stuck up in our office in the IFSC to say work was starting on in Mid-June to Mayor Street. Looks to be very inconvenient for all those in my company who wish to use the Mayor Street exit from the shared underground car park of IFSC House/AIB International Centre/La Touche House.
If these people exit the car park via the quays, there is no right turn from this exit, so they have to go left, and go around in a circle:D
I cycle so I don't care:)
By the way, the contractors over on Sir Rogersons quay (I believe it was) manged to knock off the electricity to IFSC House over the past year or two, for some reason the electricity into IFSC House comes from the SOUTH side

At least we can''t have our electricity knocked off for any work on Mayor street now with the Luas!:)

Bluetonic · 03-06-2007 10:58am

D'Peoples Voice wrote:

At least we can''t have our electricity knocked off for any work on Mayor street now with the Luas!:)

Just your telecoms!

Victor · 07-06-2007 7:09am

Luas Line C1 Traffic Diversion_Update.pdf

Bluetonic · 13-06-2007 10:01am

13/6/2007 Closure of George's Dock Bridge on Mayor Street in Dublin

From 10am 13th June, George's Dock Bridge on Mayor Street will be closed to all vehicles until 24th August.

All pedestrian movements will be maintained across the bridge.

http://www.aaroadwatch.ie/rail/story.asp?id=3728

Victor · 25-06-2007 3:25pm

May 2007 - Luas Line C1 Construction Update No.2.pdf (0.25MB)

June 2007 - Luas Line C1 Construction Update No 3.pdf (0.38MB)

Seth Brundle · 25-06-2007 11:26pm

Slice wrote:

On a slightly different topic - have they started on the Cherrywood extension to the green line? There appears to be alot of construction going on around Leopardstown roundabout and roads in that area

There is an interesting article by Frank McDonald in todays Irish Times about the extension towards Bray which avoids Bray's residential area in favour of the quiet area of Fassaroe.
Link (if you are an ireland.com subscriber): http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2007/0625/1181771798335.html

Ste.phen · 26-06-2007 10:18am

I presume this is because it's being funded (or brown enveloped?) by developers who own land in that area?

That line is barely ticking by as it is, extending it is a stupid idea IMHO

Red Alert · 26-06-2007 12:07pm

Would it be ridiculous to suggest the following:

Re-align the entrance to connoly, tram drives up, just overruns the the entrance to the luas platform and then reverses in, driver has clear view and/or activate the trailing end's bell as well. (They can drive in reverse right?)

Victor · 26-06-2007 1:40pm

If you can imagine a safety officer giving birth to a large number of exotic yellow birds ...

Ste.phen · 26-06-2007 2:21pm

Victor wrote:

If you can imagine a safety officer giving birth to a large number of exotic yellow birds ...

I'm not sure it makes a difference, but there IS a camera mounted on both ends of the tram, isn't there? (which can be viewed from the cab - i've seen the drivers watching them, but i don't know if they're able to bring up specific cameras, or just the forward facing and side cameras)

MarkoP11 · 26-06-2007 2:59pm

It wouldn't be allowed, makes no sense, would add precious extra seconds to the journey the walkthough in Connolly as built won't be a delay, the track/tram transponder stuff wouldn't work either.

Health and safety and the RSC would throw a complete bender anyway

And there ain't a reverse selection lever as far as I know in a Luas tram, if there is its probably off the main console and has a safety seal on it to prevent accidental use

loyatemu · 27-06-2007 10:19am

how long will it take the driver to walk the length of the tram and switch directions anyway?

no more than a minute i'd say.

given how close the stops are (Busaras, Connolly, Georges Dock, Mayor Square, all within about 5 minutes walk of each other) it not going to be a particularly quick section anyway.

BrianD · 27-06-2007 7:43pm

I would hazard a guess that when the line is completed there will be no driver walking from one end of a tram to the other. Trams will probably either terminate at Connolly or The Point. I presume that there will be provision for trams to avoid the Connolly stop? A timetable that had every other tram terminating at Connolly would be workable. Busaras is close enough to the station without being a major inconvenience for passengers.

loyatemu · 28-06-2007 10:23am

BrianD wrote:

I would hazard a guess that when the line is completed there will be no driver walking from one end of a tram to the other. Trams will probably either terminate at Connolly or The Point. I presume that there will be provision for trams to avoid the Connolly stop?

yeah - theres a triangle proposed at Connolly.

spacetweek · 29-06-2007 6:04pm

Don't see having to walk to the other cab being a prob - Connolly is a major stop anyway, loads of passenger interchange, people dragging luggage off/on, it will take at least 1 min to wait for passenger movements to cease anyway. If anything the driver will be waiting for the passengers to settle down rather than the other way around.

Luas Line C1 work to commence soon

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