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Would you support the return of the Gaelic Nobility to Ireland?

  • 28-10-2011 11:11pm
    #1
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭


    If not a parliamentary model akin to the UK, would you be in favor if it if it was solely a ceremonial role that replaced the presidency?

    I am obviously referring to the clans that fled during, before and after the "Flight of the Earls" and also the ones who remained.

    And Brehon Law, what would be your opinion on amending the constitution to accomodate some of the laws that would benefit society?


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  • #2
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Some aspects of Brehon law live on. No I wouldnt be in favour of any form of nobility in Ireland. I'd actually be strongly opposed to the idea.


  • #3
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Some aspects of Brehon law live on. No I wouldnt be in favour of any form of nobility in Ireland. I'd actually be strongly opposed to the idea.

    Which aspects of Brehon Law live on?

    What reasons would you have for opposing it? Would you not agree that there would be a lot of cultural benefits and a feeling of regaining a part of our heritage that has been lost for centuries?


  • #4
    sgb
    Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭sgb


    All those presidential debates makes you yearn for a monarchy


  • #5
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Yes and I think i shall be your King, I will be just and only sleep with your first born daughters.

    NOW KNEEL OR I WILL MAKE YOU KNEEL.


  • #6
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    The concept of copyright comes from Brehon law

    I dont think anyone should have a state title due to an accident of birth, you should earn your position in this day and age


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  • #7
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Are those guys that would qualify not spread all over spain and the continent now? whats the point


  • #8
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    No! We call the monarchy in England retarded and you want to install one here.


  • #9
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    sgb wrote: »
    All those presidential debates makes you yearn for a monarchy

    Yup, no more stupid debates, posters, envelopes, alleged murder attempts, and not having to fork out millions for presidential state pensions (we will be paying a lot for Mary Robinson, Mary MacAleese and Michael D. Higgins combined together)


  • #10
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    Peter Young Dream wrote: »
    The concept of copyright comes from Brehon law

    I dont think anyone should have a state title due to an accident of birth, you should earn your position in this day and age

    Well if you are born into a political dynasty in the rural areas (Healy Raes anyone) you more less are sorted for life, which is an unfortunate fact.


  • #11
    Gingko
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Gingko


    Lets keep it a Republic folks!!! "We serve neither King nor Kaiser" It may be far from perfect but I would still rather be a free citizen of a republic then a subject of a monarchist state! :)


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  • #12
    AnamGlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭AnamGlas


    Hmmmm...

    Well, the fact Gaelic is barely spoken by the majority gets rid of that idea.


  • #13
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    Gingko wrote: »
    Lets keep it a Republic folks!!! "We serve neither King nor Kaiser" It may be far from perfect but I would still rather be a free citizen of e republic then a subject of a monarchist state! :)

    High King ftw, has more of an epic ring to it.


  • #14
    Badgermonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    No I wouldnt be in favour of any form of nobility in Ireland.

    What if we kept it classy?

    lisa-gerald.png


  • #15
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    RepublicanEagle wrote: »
    Which aspects of Brehon Law live on?

    What reasons would you have for opposing it? Would you not agree that there would be a lot of cultural benefits and a feeling of regaining a part of our heritage that has been lost for centuries?
    Things like compensation in place of punishment.

    The concept of nobility seems silly and backwards to me. I dont think I'm better than anyone else but I definitely dont think another human that shytes like the rest of us is any better than me either.


  • #16
    dashboard_hula
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭dashboard_hula


    Badgermonkey wrote: »
    What if we kept it classy?

    lisa-gerald.png

    Kill it! Kill it with fire!


  • #17
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    why the fk would anyone want this?


  • #18
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:


  • #19
    Immaculate Pasta
    Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    I'm descended from a Celtic King from County Galway, does that count me as Gaelic nobility? If so count me in. :cool:

    What are you suggesting us Gaelic nobility do? Sit in a House of Lords equivalent like how they do in Britain alongside Lords like Lord Sugar and Lord Voldemort?


  • #20
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:

    not O'byrnes? :confused:


  • #21
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Never mind the Meath boyos, the capital was Cashel at one stage
    Up Tipp :cool:

    Of course the city folk in Limerick, Dublin and Waterford let themselves get taken over by the Vikings.
    Hmmm, we can't call them West Brits but maybe there is another name for them


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  • #22
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    As pathetic as our candidates for the presidency may have been at least we get to choose who we feel is the least pathetic.

    One thing I like about our republic is that we are citizens not subjects.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #23
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,113 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    RepublicanEagle wrote: »
    Well if you are born into a political dynasty in the rural areas (Healy Raes anyone) you more less are sorted for life, which is an unfortunate fact.

    Yes, Ireland is riddled with "mini-monarchies" from one end to the other, and most of them have earned their positions through bribery, corruption and general sliminess.


  • #24
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Diarmait Mac Murchada, what a guy!

    Not a bad idea OP.


  • #25
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    One thing I like about our republic is that we are citizens not subjects.

    I don't know every monarchy but in the UK they are citizens also

    Changed from being subjects back in the eighties
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Diarmait Mac Murchada, what a guy!

    Trust you to bring up Diarmait Mac Murchada/Dermot McMurrough you are always looking for a reaction

    Greatest traitor in Irish history and invited over Henry II and so began the eight hundred years
    The Brits didn't invade, they were invited by a power hungry chieftan.

    Of course you know this Keith, stirring it as always


  • #26
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    I quite fancy renovating the Rock of Dunamaise and ascending to the throne of my ancestors. And my mother is an O'Connor so I could work something out with the DEFTLEFTHAND.

    :D


  • #27
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    RichieC wrote: »
    not O'byrnes? :confused:

    Rory O'Connor was the last High King in 1198.


  • #28
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Which Gaelic nobility are you referring to?

    There were quite a few.


  • #29
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    No, unlike the British I can appreciate my country's heritage without needing to cling onto the outdated aspects of it.


  • #30
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    RepublicanEagle wrote: »
    Well if you are born into a political dynasty in the rural areas (Healy Raes anyone) you more less are sorted for life, which is an unfortunate fact.

    Hey this isn't just a rural thing.

    Lemass and Haughey in Dublin North
    The Lenihans in Dublin West.
    Going back a bit, Liam Cosgrave

    The Dubs are masters at it too


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  • #31
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    mikemac wrote: »
    I don't know every monarchy but in the UK they are citizens also

    Changed from being subjects back in the eighties



    Trust you to bring up Diarmait Mac Murchada/Dermot McMurrough you are always looking for a reaction

    Greatest traitor in Irish history and invited over Henry II and so began the eight hundred years
    The Brits didn't invade, they were invited by a power hungry chieftan.

    Of course you know this Keith, stirring it as always
    Do you disagree with the OPs idea?


  • #32
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    We have plenty of little dynasties here acting as if they've been born with priviledges we don't need one that actually does have priviledges.


  • #33
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7478/eddardnedstarkgameofthru.jpg

    We can dress em up like him.


  • #34
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,113 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    professore wrote: »
    I quite fancy renovating the Rock of Dunamaise and ascending to the throne of my ancestors. And my mother is an O'Connor so I could work something out with the DEFTLEFTHAND.

    :D

    I envisage an almighty fucking punch-op involving thousands of O'Connors fighting each other for the top job.:p

    Let me know when and where, and I'll bring a fleet of hot-dog and burger vans, oh and some pop-corn.


  • #35
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Rory O'Connor was the last High King in 1198.
    Not of the proud Aileach men he wasn't ;)


  • #36
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:

    I am a direct decendant of Hugh O'Neill himself, can always have a duel to the death if it comes to it.:D


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  • #37
    Dionysus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I'll take the position of High King if that's alright. I'm an O'Connor, the last Irish royal family.:cool:

    And the first Irish family to sign a treaty with the crown of England. ;)


  • #38
    madison2011
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭madison2011


    No no no you are all wrong, I am Queen Maedhbh's direct descendent and I have come to rob all your cows. Jeez I cant wait to get back in my stride again. Steak from the bitches kitchen anyone?:)


  • #39
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    RepublicanEagle wrote: »
    I am a direct decendant of Hugh O'Neill himself, can always have a duel to the death if it comes to it.:D

    Meet me at dawn on the hill of Tara and we'll settle this.:D


  • #40
    Gingko
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Gingko


    Oh what ****E!!! I'm a descendent of this High King Or that Chieftain??? How the f**k does anyone really know? It is a very long time ago and it is very much history or HIS STORY! It's all mixed up as is our ancestry! Were a mixed bag of DNA! Life is ever changing!


  • #41
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    It's all a bit vague TBH. My family name Moore could be of the O'Moores of Laois or de Mora who were Anglo Norman i.e. Vikings who settled in Normandy. Hey it's all good.


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  • #42
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    RepublicanEagle wrote: »
    I am a direct decendant of Hugh O'Neill himself, can always have a duel to the death if it comes to it.:D
    If you're an Uladh man I'm with you. Now if we can find any descendants of Boru on here we can take them as well. :D


  • #43
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,113 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    It seems that even now this country's run by a bunch of sell-outs.:(


  • #44
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Sure the British royals have mostly 'German Blood' in them.

    If anything royals expose how daft a family at the head of a country is because they've all been inter-breeding across national boundraies for most of recent history - not least of all the 'British' who are polluted with German blood more than England is polluted with the exhaust fumes of German cars.


  • #45
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    RichieC wrote: »
    why the fk would anyone want this?
    +1000 Given I'd be 20th or somesuch in line for said throne and know many of the nearerr 20, I'd defo say no. Inbred fcuks the lot of them*scratches third eye with sixth finger. Dribbles. Interferes with ones own personage*.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #46
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Does anyone know if the lineage of the Earls is known? Are there people alive that can trace their family tree back to the flying guys?


  • #47
    ascanbe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    The 'Gaelic nobility'?
    Is that not the likes of Tony O'Reilly, the people who've been bailed out by our rulers at the expense of the serfs/NAMA, and the lawyers/golden circle/various others who have access to the trough?
    Isn't every political decision made in this country made in order to ensure that that trough is continuously replenished?
    Do you think the 'Gaelic nobility' ever went away?


  • #48
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    ascanbe wrote: »
    The 'Gaelic nobility'?
    Is that not the likes of Tony O'Reilly, the people who've been bailed out by our rulers at the expense of the serfs/NAMA, and the lawyers/golden circle/various others who have access to the trough?
    Isn't every political decision made in this country made in order to ensure that that trough is continuously replenished?
    Do you think the 'Gaelic nobility' ever went away?

    No, we speak of the clans of old, that were forced into exile.


  • #49
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    I was Cleopatra in a previous life. Does that count ?


  • #50
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    RepublicanEagle wrote: »
    No, we speak of the clans of old, that were forced into exile.
    Exactly they were pussy and abandoned their people. Whats noble about that.


  • #51
    RepublicanEagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭RepublicanEagle


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Exactly they were pussy and abandoned their people. Whats noble about that.

    No they were not, they were forced by the English, and the Flight of the Earls than took place, they left for Europe in order to organise a military liberation effort, Hugh O'Neill dedicated his entire life to returning to Ireland with an army behind them to drive out the oppressors, but it never materialised because he died, and there is reasonable speculation that he may have been poisoned.


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