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Why are people so afraid of gay marriage?

  • 15-08-2009 8:17pm
    #1
    MultiUmm
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    I can't get my head around it. I realise some people argue that marriage has always been between a man and a woman and the like, but how would it really affect peoples day to day lives? (Excluding the gay couple o/c.)

    Others, mainly Christians, argue that gay couples will want to marry in churches, when in reality I'd guess most gay couples wouldn't be too pushed about a religious ceremony.

    So can anyone give me a few reasons as to why so many people are still against gay marriage? And for those of you who are against it, can you tell me how it will drastically change/affect your lives?

    N.B: I've decided that adoption inevitably has become a topic of discussion, so feel free to include it in posts.
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  • #2
    Aard
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    N.B: I'd appreciate it if people kept adoption out of this, that's not what we're discussing here.
    The fact of the matter is that adoption is the primary reason people don't want gay marriage.


  • #3
    MultiUmm
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    Aard wrote: »
    The fact of the matter is that adoption is the primary reason people don't want gay marriage.

    Maybe so, but I still think that gay people should be given full marriage rights, regardless of adoption or not. I'm aware that full marriage rights more than likely also mean that gay couples should technically be fully eligible to adopt, but couldn't there be some kind of an exemption on that matter?

    Personally, I don't see why gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt. A child raised by same gender parents is much better off imo then a child drifting from foster home to foster home or even worse stuck in an abusive enviroment. If a child has loving, nurturing parents, I don't see the problem with same sex parents.

    But for the time being I think marriage should be the main issue, adoption second on the agenda.


  • #4
    Call Me Jimmy
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    I am for equal rights but I don't understand why gay people would consider marriage within a religion. I would not want to give validation to an institution that has repressed homosexuals since its inception...


  • #5
    MultiUmm
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I am for equal rights but I don't understand why gay people would consider marriage within a religion. I would not want to give validation to an institution that has repressed homosexuals since its inception...

    That's a scare mongering tactic some Catholics/ Christians use against gay marriage, but as I said in my opening post I'd imagine the majority of gay people wouldn't want a religious ceremony, especially if it's Catholicism we're talking about. :rolleyes:

    What we do want is full marriage rights in the eyes of the goverment, not the church. Religion shouldn't interfere with matters of the state.
    Some people say civil unions are enough but in reality gay couples don't have half as many rights as married couples. If there needs to be a referendum on gay marriage then so be it, let the public decide.
    However, I wouldn't expect Fianna Fáil to do so anytime soon.


  • #6
    Tricity Bendix
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I am for equal rights but I don't understand why gay people would consider marriage within a religion.
    Not everyone who gets married does so "within a religion".


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  • #7
    spurious
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    Do these people not realise that there are already many gay couples and single gay people with children?
    The sky has not fallen in, though there are perhaps a few extra kids not being raised to hate people for who they love. Oh noes.


  • #8
    cotwold
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    Aard wrote: »
    The fact of the matter is that adoption is the primary reason people don't want gay marriage.

    I dont think its as plain as that. Most people ive come across haven't made that connection. I know people completely supportive of gay marriage but will hum and haw if you mention adoption. In my view most people who are against gay marriage are either religious and feel as if gay marriage is threatening one of "their religions" (:rolleyes:) ceremonies, or they haven't actually considered the issue enough to see it doesn't affect them unless their gay.

    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I am for equal rights but I don't understand why gay people would consider marriage within a religion. I would not want to give validation to an institution that has repressed homosexuals since its inception...

    No religion has a monopoly on marriage, contrary to what most Irish Catholics seem to think. They didn't invent the concept and its already been secularised by civil marriage.

    I don't know of any gay people who want Catholicism (or at least believe it realistic) to recognise gay marriage. It'll never happen in our life times and most likely ever.


  • #9
    Marshy
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    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I am for equal rights but I don't understand why gay people would consider marriage within a religion. I would not want to give validation to an institution that has repressed homosexuals since its inception...
    Yeah I agree, there shouldn't be any notion of same sex-marriage within a religion in my view. Civil marriage is a different matter.

    Its no surprise at all to me that Gay marriage is such a big deal in this country (as it is in quite a few others). You have to remember homosexual acts were only decriminalised here just over 15 years ago. A lot of Irish people still hold quite conservative views.

    As well as that, internationally same-sex marriage still isn't all that prevalent. Only a handful of countries offer full marriage. The UK currently only have civil partnerships.


  • #10
    Iwasfrozen
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    What rights will Gay marriage give Gay couples that Civil partnership doesn't ?
    Does anyone have a link to the final draft of the legislation ?


  • #11
    Untense
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    Does anyone have a link to the final draft of the legislation ?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60879213&postcount=1


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  • #12
    MultiUmm
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    Do these people not realise that there are already many gay couples and single gay people with children?

    Of course there are a few gay couples/ single gay parents raising children, I know two women in Tralee who are raising a son together (One of the women had a child with her ex who was a male obviously.) And single gay parents in this country are allowed to adopt but if they have a partner they're not? :rolleyes: Does anyone else see the irony in this? "Oh, you can be bent as a roundabout, just make sure not to do anyting with another man or woman now."


    though there are perhaps a few extra kids not being raised to hate people for who they love. Oh noes.

    :rolleyes: Homophobes will always exist in some shape or form, but why should small minded views outweigh those of the majority?


  • #13
    MultiUmm
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    You have to remember homosexual acts were only decriminalised here just over 15 years ago. A lot of Irish people still hold quite conservative views.



    That is quite true, but progress is made gradually, I don't expect gay marriage to be legalised overnight, nor do many other gay couples.

    The fact that homosexuality was illegal here up til' 93 and considered "sinful" to now being accepted by many is good progress imo. Perhaps people may take the same stance with marriage?


  • #14
    Aard
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    Tbh, I'm confused as to the purpose of this thread. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of people posting here are pro-gay-marriage. Perhaps you'd find a better answer to your question in another forum - perhaps Humanities, or, if all else fails, AH.


  • #15
    MultiUmm
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What rights will Gay marriage give Gay couples that Civil partnership doesn't ?
    Does anyone have a link to the final draft of the legislation ?



    Marriage is symbolic in many ways but it also provides legal guarantees that civil unions don't provide, on things like tax, property, wills, etc.


  • #16
    MultiUmm
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    Aard wrote: »
    Tbh, I'm confused as to the purpose of this thread. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of people posting here are pro-gay-marriage. Perhaps you'd find a better answer to your question in another forum - perhaps Humanities, or, if all else fails, AH.
    Mmm, I was thinking about posting it in AH to get a more broad spectrum of views but I read the charter beforehand and it said there was to be no discusion on sex or sexuality, so I figured I'd be safe and post it here. :/ Shame I didn't think about posting it in humanities. :(

    Would I be able to move it to another forum or is that only up to mods? (Sorry, relative newbie here. :P)


  • #17
    ixoy
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    Would I be able to move it to another forum or is that only up to mods? (Sorry, relative newbie here. :P)
    I can move it to Humanities if you'd like.


  • #18
    MultiUmm
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    ixoy wrote: »
    I can move it to Humanities if you'd like.

    If you wouldn't mind that would be great. Hopefully it might pick up there a bit. We'll see.


  • #19
    I.J.
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    MultiUmm wrote: »

    Personally, I don't see why gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt. A child raised by same gender parents is much better off imo then a child drifting from foster home to foster home or even worse stuck in an abusive enviroment. If a child has loving, nurturing parents, I don't see the problem with same sex parents.

    The thing there is that religion is getting in the way of gay couples marrying and adopting and love has never been the main priority of any religion and certainly not Catholicism, which I will speak of because thats the religion I was raised with.


  • #20
    MultiUmm
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    I.J. wrote: »
    The thing there is that religion is getting in the way of gay couples marrying and adopting and love has never been the main priority of any religion and certainly not Catholicism, which I will speak of because thats the religion I was raised with.

    But why should the Catholic church have such a strangle hold on what the goverment decides about children, adoption, gay rights etc? We can't let the Catholic church dictate to us on how to run things, look where that got us and what implications it had, i.e horrific abuse of children in Catholic institutions and a culture of fear and silence, just naming two of many injustices they are guilty of.

    This is kind of OT I suppose, but I was raised Catholic as well, but defected (not officially but soon hopefully) after I realised it was an institution based on hypocrisy and bull.


  • #21
    cotwold
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Homophobes will always exist in some shape or form, but why should small minded views outweigh those of the majority?

    I wouldn't be confident that if gay marriage went to referendum that it would get a majority vote. Im not saying that everyone that would vote against it is a homophobe but a lot of people are still limited by their conservatism in Ireland.


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  • #22
    Rick_
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    If a child has loving, nurturing parents, I don't see the problem with same sex parents.
    You don't, but unfortunately there are still a lot of narrow minded arsewipes out there who can't differentiate between 'homosexual' and 'paedophile' and are convinced if we got anywhere near a child that we'd try to molest it. They probably also think the marriage is a front to make it easier to get access to a child. :rolleyes:


  • #23
    irishgrover
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    ........
    So can anyone give me a few reasons as to why so many people are still against gay marriage? And for those of you who are against it, can you tell me how it will drastically change/affect your lives?

    N.B: I've decided that adoption inevitably has become a topic of discussion, so feel free to include it in posts.

    First off, I don't think that something has to drastically change/affect your life in order for you to have an opinion on it, and those opinions can range from mild to very strong and anywhere in between.
    IMHO things that may influence peoples negative attitude to gay marriages...

    1. Religious belief influence on marriage - some people often equate marriage as a purely religious ceremony, and to a large degree discount the civil/legal aspect of the whole event. As such their Religious view tends to primarily influence their views on marriage, be it civil or religious

    2. 'Moral / Religious' beliefs - some people view homosexuality are morally wrong and gay people as being sexually deviant. They are against the concept of sexual relations between same sex couples both in theory and in practice, and as such do not support the official recognition and validation that marriage would provide

    3. Adoption - some people believe that the ideal environment to raise adoptive children is in a 'traditional, heterosexual, married environment'. Adoptions by gay married people would not support this view.


  • #24
    ixoy
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    Thread moved at the request of the OP.


  • #25
    I.J.
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    But why should the Catholic church have such a strangle hold on what the goverment decides about children, adoption, gay rights etc? We can't let the Catholic church dictate to us on how to run things, look where that got us and what implications it had, i.e horrific abuse of children in Catholic institutions and a culture of fear and silence, just naming two of many injustices they are guilty of. .

    Religions around the world, in this country Catholicism, have brainwashed and burned hate and bigotry into the brains of its followers. There is stigma which is carrying through the generations. Its reported that aapprox 90% Irish people claim to be Catholic. Things will move forward but slowly. Look at it this way, the Catholic Church can't get away with burning homosexuals at the stake anymore so maybe some day its verbal hate and bigotry will not be tolerated and love will finally flourish through society.


  • #26
    ChocolateSauce
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    Ignorance and/or religious hatred.

    Nothing else explains it.


  • #27
    metrovelvet
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    1. gay divorce - although there is a lot of money to be made in this so I'd imagine the family law lawyers would love if gay marriage were legislated

    2. married people losing certain privaleges - like spousal health insurance and other employment related benefits. It would be costly and since they cant discriminate they would have to revoke it from everyone. Either that or costs of health insurance etc, would go up since there are more people to cover.

    3. Immigration


  • #28
    SeekUp
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    irishgrover wrote: »
    2. 'Moral / Religious' beliefs - some people view homosexuality are morally wrong and gay people as being sexually deviant.

    I'd say that this hits the nail on the head . . . many people think that gay marriage is immoral, even though it wouldn't affect them on a personal level on a daily basis.

    It doesn't matter that no physical harm is being done to anyone; to them it's the same concept as public indecency or not speaking up/calling the police when you see someone putting graffiti on a public building. Those may not be the best examples, but you know what I mean . . . I don't always think it's a case of people being afraid, just that some people think it's morally wrong, so they want to prevent it from being done.


  • #29
    Joey the lips
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    I have no problem with gay marriage in fact I know a couple who for legal and loving reasons it would be nice to see them married. However despite all my free views I do have a problem with gay adoption. Why? I dont know! Maybe i am biased. Maybe I am a bigot or something. The good side is my fathers generation did not like people being gay so we have come along. Perhaps my kids wont mind!

    I am curious though! If I was married in the morning and found out I could not have kids I would have to apply for adoption. Under adoption laws and rules I am subject to very strict rules and checks. If a gay couple passed these checks i am sure I would not mind them adopting


  • #30
    Morlar
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    Gay adoption would be the reason I would object too.


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  • #31
    ChocolateSauce
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    Why would anyone have a problem with gay adoption?


  • #32
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    People have a problem with gay adoption. If you granted marriage it would be discrimination to not allow adoption.


  • #33
    Iwasfrozen
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Why would anyone have a problem with gay adoption?
    Because what people do in their own bedrooms is their own business, but not when you bring a child into the equation.


  • #34
    spurious
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    Do you think it would turn the child gay?

    I'm not trying to be smart here. What is the negative effect people opposed to gay adoption think there would be?


  • #35
    MultiUmm
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    Paddy C wrote: »
    You don't, but unfortunately there are still a lot of narrow minded arsewipes out there who can't differentiate between 'homosexual' and 'paedophile' and are convinced if we got anywhere near a child that we'd try to molest it. They probably also think the marriage is a front to make it easier to get access to a child. :rolleyes:

    True, remnants of old, conservative Catholic Ireland are still well and alive, especially in rural Ireland. I was having a discussion with my aunt last week and Catholicism came up. (She lives in a rural area.) She was talking about how she finds it a disgrace that people don't go to mass and how it was out of sheer laziness. :rolleyes: It's people like this (in particular the older generation) who may not have a strong public voice but colud have a "silent majority".

    A lot of people would fear as well that if a child was raised by gay parents that they may turn out gay themselves, although if that was true then I (including most gay people) should be straight. :rolleyes:


  • #36
    cotwold
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Because what people do in their own bedrooms is their own business, but not when you bring a child into the equation.

    That's incredibly patronising, do you think being gay is all about what goes on in the bedroom?


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  • #37
    MultiUmm
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    Morlar wrote: »
    Gay adoption would be the reason I would object too.

    For what reasons though? Would you be concerned that a child would be reared to "have a gay lifestyle"?

    I respect the fact you're opposed to it but you have to back it up with reasons as to why you are.


  • #38
    cotwold
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    I respect the fact you're opposed to it but you have to back it up with reasons as to why you are.

    Aside from being uncomfortable with the notion.


  • #39
    MultiUmm
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    cotwold wrote: »
    That's incredibly patronising, do you think being gay is all about what goes on in the bedroom?

    + 1. How does "what goes on in the bedroom" have anything to do with bringing up a child? Opposite sex parents don't tell their children about "what goes on in the bedroom" until they're of an age to understand it, and even then they're hardly going to discuss their own sex lives with their kids, same thing for gay parents.


  • #40
    Aard
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    Tbh, I get the feeling that most people who say they are against gay marriage "just because of adoption rights" are using it as a cop out; the reality is that they have a deep-rooted dislike of the idea of two men showing love to each other. Sure, there are some who say that a child should have a mother and a father, but they're in the minority; most can't muster up anything beyond "it's unnatural for two men to be together".


    Also, I can't help but notice that (in this country) it's primarily Christians who make the most noise anti-gay-marriage-wise. They didn't become homophobic, then gravitate to Christianity; rather, they became Christian and then became homophobic. This leads me to believe that all of this homophobia is conditioned, and that nobody is born homophobic. So, for me, the idea of homophobia is just as unnatural as the idea of homosexuality is for homophobes themselves.


  • #41
    ynotdu
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    I think it is both a common sense and a human rights issue.
    how dare a society prevent ANY two consenting adults who love each other from their wish to publicly express it through marridge?

    for children to be adopted by a gay couple is IMO a breach/betrayel of Their human rights as they cannot choose their parents and have no say.
    Their is no doubt that these children would be the subject of snide remarks throughout their childhood as things stand.

    children are born by and large by hetrosexual sex,it seems to be natures way of saying that a femine and masculine mix is best for balance.

    Harsh though it may sound to gay couples but would,nt adopting a child almost guarantee that they would get way above average hurts in their formative years?

    it is SO cruel to gay couples who have maternal/paternal instincts like everybody else,but i think it sadly is realism to say so.


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  • #42
    philologos
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    Aard wrote: »
    The fact of the matter is that adoption is the primary reason people don't want gay marriage.

    +1

    OP: It's not that I'm afraid of gay marriage. I just feel the civil partnership legislation is adequate.


  • #43
    ChocolateSauce
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Because what people do in their own bedrooms is their own business, but not when you bring a child into the equation.

    That doesn't answer the question. What does the sexual orientation of the adults have to do with the child? I'll cut the chase: Any answer other than "nothing" carries the insinuation that homosexuality is wrong.
    Jakkass wrote:
    I just feel the civil partnership legislation is adequate.


    Most gay people don't. Considering it is about them, don't you think you should accede to their wishes?


  • #44
    philologos
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    I believe the child has the right to a mother and a father, and that this should be the preferrable family unit first and foremost.


  • #45
    Iwasfrozen
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I believe the child has the right to a mother and a father, and that this should be the preferrable family unit first and foremost.
    +1. Nothing wrong with Gay adoption per say, just that it isn't the preferred method of Child rearing.


  • #46
    Iwasfrozen
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    That doesn't answer the question. What does the sexual orientation of the adults have to do with the child? I'll cut the chase: Any answer other than "nothing" carries the insinuation that homosexuality is wrong.
    It has a lot to do with the child, it means that the child doesn't have access to both Male and Female role models.


  • #47
    MultiUmm
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    for children to be adopted by a gay couple is IMO a breach/betrayel of Their human rights as they cannot choose their parents and have no say.
    Their is no doubt that these children would be the subject of snide remarks throughout their childhood as things stand.



    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you there. I don't expect children to understand homosexuality by themselves. In todays society they are either left ignorant or at worst they are taught to hate people for their sexual orientation outside of school life.
    Proper education is needed on all aspects of sex and sexuality in schools, the current system is appalling. However, seeing as most schools are still owned by the church that won't happen until there is radical change in our education system.
    children are born by and large by hetrosexual sex,it seems to be natures way of saying that a femine and masculine mix is best for balance.



    I don't know if I'd agree with you there. Some theories say that homosexuality is natures way of controlling population growth.
    Harsh though it may sound to gay couples but would,nt adopting a child almost guarantee that they would get way above average hurts in their formative years?



    For the time being, much to my disdain of admitting it, in "modern" Ireland today in most towns, a child of same sex parents who is in 4th or 5th class would more then likely be mocked/ bullied. Again, I think this stems from ignorance and bias. I'm not saying we should teach kids the bare facts of sex and sexuality in junior or senior infants, but it wouldn't hurt for children to be taught on matters about same sex couples. How teachers would go about this I do not know. There would have to be a careful approach to matters about sex and orientation around children.
    it is SO cruel to gay couples who have maternal/paternal instincts like everybody else,but i think it sadly is realism to say so.[/QUOTE]




    Again, I am sorry to say I agree with you.


  • #48
    Iwasfrozen
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you there. I don't expect children to understand homosexuality by themselves. In todays society they are either left ignorant or at worst they are taught to hate people for their sexual orientation outside of school life.
    Proper education is needed on all aspects of sex and sexuality in schools, the current system is appalling. However, seeing as most schools are still owned by the church that won't happen until there is radical change in our education system.
    Speak for yourself, I don't want my future children learning about Homosexual relationships in school.
    MultiUmm wrote: »
    I don't know if I'd agree with you there. Some theories say that homosexuality is natures way of controlling population growth.
    Theories are theories, you can't provide them as evidence to support your views.

    MultiUmm wrote: »
    For the time being, much to my disdain of admitting it, in "modern" Ireland today in most towns, a child of same sex parents who is in 4th or 5th class would more then likely be mocked/ bullied. Again, I think this stems from ignorance and bias. I'm not saying we should teach kids the bare facts of sex and sexuality in junior or senior infants, but it wouldn't hurt for children to be taught on matters about same sex couples. How teachers would go about this I do not know. There would have to be a careful approach to matters about sex and orientation around children.
    Again speak for yourself.


  • #49
    Aard
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Speak for yourself, I don't want my future children learning about Homosexual relationships in school.
    Why not?


  • #50
    ChocolateSauce
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I believe the child has the right to a mother and a father, and that this should be the preferrable family unit first and foremost.

    Two parents are certainly better than one, but there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that a mother and a father is better than two of each and none of the other. The opposite is actually true, "gay families" are generally slightly more successful than "straight ones".
    +1. Nothing wrong with Gay adoption per say, just that it isn't the preferred method of Child rearing.

    You mean is isn't your preferred method.
    It has a lot to do with the child, it means that the child doesn't have access to both Male and Female role models

    This is a common position taken, but as with the above is generally unsupported by evidence.
    or children to be adopted by a gay couple is IMO a breach/betrayel of Their human rights as they cannot choose their parents and have no say.
    Their is no doubt that these children would be the subject of snide remarks throughout their childhood as things stand.

    I'm sorry, when did you choose your parents? And saying it is wrong for gays to adopt kids because they'll get snide remarks is like blaming women for being raped. You're shifting the blame from the offenders to the victims.


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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    The opposite is actually true, "gay families" are generally slightly more successful than "straight ones".
    I'd be interested in reading the data that confirms this; could you post a link or a reference?


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