Smalia. Perfect location for a rigged 9/11 spectacular to justify a global (NWO) navy

King Mob · 15-04-2009 6:42pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Mobile Phones are not a true tracking system, numbers /IMEI can be bought RTG off the shelf in supermarkets unregistered, they can get lost, stolen and change hands legally without any form of registration. Any professional criminal will know how to cover his digital prints using these devices.

And RFID chips will be hacked, removed and faked. Why would they spend all that time and money to introduce a system no better than mobile phones?

Run_to_da_hills · 15-04-2009 6:47pm

meglome wrote: »

So the chipping would only be needed for professional criminals then?

No, unfortunitally just like current EU mandates that imposes invasive data retention of mobile phone and email we are all guilty.

King Mob · 15-04-2009 6:50pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No, unfortunitally just like current EU mandates that imposes invasive data retention of mobile phone and email we are all guilty.

Guilty of what?
If we're all guilty why aren't we being punished?
Which mandate says treat everyone as if they're guilty?

And how would better tracking of ships near Somalia lead to us all being chipped?

bonkey · 15-04-2009 8:32pm

King Mob wrote: »

But why?
What benefit would tracking 6 billion people give?

It would add far more noise to mask signal.

Oh wait....that's a benefit for those being tracked....probably not what you wanted.

Woger · 15-04-2009 9:14pm

Are tinfoil hats easily tracked?

Black Swan · 15-04-2009 11:31pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What me may see in the near future is legislation for electronic GPS based registration for any craft in International waters irrespective of size or nationalities.

GPS tracking is already being done (and has been for several years), but not by government legislation (or by some government conspiracy), rather by corporations interested in maximizing their profits by attempting to improve transportation efficiencies. Time in shipping costs money, and reducing shipping time increases shipping profits for ships and trucks.

I live on a boat. It is GPS linked and tracked. We use it for better navigation purposes, and hope that in a fog some freighter sees our GPS location and doesn't run over us in the Santa Barbara Channel! Plus, if we spring a leak we can't overcome with our pumps, the US Coast Guard can find us fast. And if in port we don't want to be found, we can simply turn it off, ha!

Do you own a mobile phone? Almost all the new ones now have GPS built into them. Why? Not because of some government conspiracy to track citizens, but rather by corporations that want to track and analyze phone customers in terms of their movements and interests, so that they can tailor their mobile hardware/software to satisfy customer needs for signal strength, reduce blackout areas, etc. Also these mobile providers often sell the data on their clients to third party advertisers. Customer demographic analysis was started decades ago by SRI (and now many similar firms), to analyze customer patterns of behavior, in order to better understand and consequently sell more products to them.

Parents in the US are now buying software to track their children using the GPS that is installed on their mobile phones. Is this a conspiracy of parents against the freedom of their kids?

Maybe you saw an old film from the States that mentioned LoJack? Covergirl Cindy starred in it with one of the Baldwin brothers? The radio signal has now been replaced with a GPS tracking system that customers buy to increase the likelihood that their stolen auto will be recovered? Is this a conspiracy of auto owners against auto thieves?

Conspiracies by their nature tend to be hidden from the public eye (at least at first). The commercialisation of GPS for shipping efficiencies or for commercial purposes is not hidden, but has been known, published in magazine and scholarly journals, and taught in many of the better business schools of universities about the world.

The same can be said for RFID tracking systems, or the chips that ID what products they are attached to. Large food market corporations in the United States have been using RFID chips attached to products not to track their customers, but rather to make inventory control more efficient, so that shelves of fast selling products are filled through a just-in-time method to maximize customer sales and profits. This too is not hidden, but rather published and also taught to students of the better business schools at universities about the world.

I'm surprised that someone has not cried wolf (conspiracy! conspiracy! conspiracy!) about how the US Treasury manufactures its currency. Except for the $1 bill, the new larger denominations have an embedded strip, which, when you have a large stack of $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills, they can be detected by US Treasury agents (or other agents) with a special sensor. Illegal money transactions typically involve large piles of currency, and with this detection method, it increases the likelihood of discovering criminal activity (it's also used to make it harder to counterfeit). Of course the smart criminals already know this, but it does catch the stupid ones every now and then. Now someone could yell, conspiracy, conspiracy, now that the government can track my pile of money in my mattress should they visit my flat (now berth on boat), but who in their right mind would want a pile of money rather than have it stored electronically in an FDIC insured bank account?

We are now in the 21st Century, where electronic tracking is done by corporations and is associated with increasing profits. Governments don't have to pass special legislation to track people or ships, because the corporations are already doing it de facto when you buy their products or ship things. That does not mean there will not be government abuse. When the George W. Bush administration in McCarty Era fashion accessed millions of innocent AT&T corporation customer records, emails, and phone calls claiming national security as justification is a case in point.

But yelling CONSPIRACY! is so much more fun!

Capt'n Midnight · 16-04-2009 12:13am

Woger wrote: »

Are tinfoil hats easily tracked?

LOL

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

Results
For all helmets, we noticed a 30 db amplification at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz, regardless of the position of the antenna on the cranium. In addition, all helmets exhibited a marked 20 db attenuation at around 1.5 Ghz, with no significant attenuation beyond 10 db anywhere else.
Conclusion
The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.

It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.

Run_to_da_hills · 16-04-2009 1:07am

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

GPS tracking is already being done (and has been for several years), but not by government legislation (or by some government conspiracy), rather by corporations interested in maximizing their profits by attempting to improve transportation efficiencies. Time in shipping costs money, and reducing shipping time increases shipping profits for ships and trucks.!

This is exactly how the UPC /EAN barcode came about. Conceived in 1974 as a voluntary stocktaking aid it has now evolved into a compulsory globally accepted standard, GPS in shipping can only go down that way, we will have EU imposing it on craft as with the US and far east, a standard will be reached and all data shared among the authorities.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

I live on a boat. It is GPS linked and tracked. We use it for better navigation purposes, and hope that in a fog some freighter sees our GPS location and doesn't run over us in the Santa Barbara Channel! Plus, if we spring a leak we can't overcome with our pumps, the US Coast Guard can find us fast. And if in port we don't want to be found, we can simply turn it off, ha!
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Certainly GPS has its advantages, Lighthouses are not needed anymore except for small yachts and pleasure craft that don't pay shipping dues towards lighthouse up keep . I use to work for the Irish Light House service. Like anything else GPS can be used in reverse to track and trace just like the UPC Barcode when used in conjunction with registered loyalty, debit and credit cards.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Do you own a mobile phone? Almost all the new ones now have GPS built into them. Why? Not because of some government conspiracy to track citizens, but rather by corporations that want to track and analyze phone customers in terms of their movements and interests, so that they can tailor their mobile hardware/software to satisfy customer needs for signal strength, reduce blackout areas, etc. Also these mobile providers often sell the data on their clients to third party advertisers. Customer demographic analysis was started decades ago by SRI (and now many similar firms), to analyze customer patterns of behavior, in order to better understand and consequently sell more products to them.!

Unfortunately through our own and EU legislation service providers and mobile phone companies are obliged to retain and or hand this data over to the authorities. Recent EU legislation allows such data be maintained LIVE for a year for various state Dept's to monitor. One of these new so called "anti terrorism" laws.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Parents in the US are now buying software to track their children using the GPS that is installed on their mobile phones. Is this a conspiracy of parents against the freedom of their kids?!

The authorities had this software for years, along with another one called "Phone Dead" that will turn most current 3G phones into a highly accurate roving bug even when switched off!

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Maybe you saw an old film from the States that mentioned LoJack? Covergirl Cindy starred in it with one of the Baldwin brothers? The radio signal has now been replaced with a GPS tracking system that customers buy to increase the likelihood that their stolen auto will be recovered? Is this a conspiracy of auto owners against auto thieves?

GPS along with RFID will eventually be a requirement in all new cars. It will be brought in under the usual "congestion charge Trojan" to monitor and carbon tax cars by their movements. The EU proposed something of this nature this just last month. RFID was proposed in Portugal to be fitted compulsory to all cars, all dogs must be chipped in Portugal by law.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Conspiracies by their nature tend to be hidden from the public eye (at least at first). The commercialization of GPS for shipping efficiencies or for commercial purposes is not hidden, but has been known, published in magazine and scholarly journals, and taught in many of the better business schools of universities about the world.

Nothing evil or wrong about any such technology, its about how-its enforced, its requirements etc. It may come a time in the near future when you cannot board any ship or pleasure craft without "touching" your card. Same will be for trains, busses, and all forms of public transport.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The same can be said for RFID tracking systems, or the chips that ID what products they are attached to. Large food market corporations in the United States have been using RFID chips attached to products not to track their customers, but rather to make inventory control more efficient, so that shelves of fast selling products are filled through a just-in-time method to maximize customer sales and profits. This too is not hidden, but rather published and also taught to students of the better business schools at universities about the world..

As I said before all this technology will leave digital fingerprints once a registered card is used as we head down the cashless route the more invasive it gets.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

I'm surprised that someone has not cried wolf (conspiracy! conspiracy! conspiracy!) about how the US Treasury manufactures its currency. Except for the $1 bill, the new larger denominations have an embedded strip, which, when you have a large stack of $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100 bills, they can be detected by US Treasury agents (or other agents) with a special sensor. Illegal money transactions typically involve large piles of currency, and with this detection method, it increases the likelihood of discovering criminal activity (it's also used to make it harder to counterfeit). Of course the smart criminals already know this, but it does catch the stupid ones every now and then. Now someone could yell, conspiracy, conspiracy, now that the government can track my pile of money in my mattress should they visit my flat (now berth on boat), but who in their right mind would want a pile of money rather than have it stored electronically in an FDIC insured bank account?..

Some say all Euro denominations over e20 are Etagged with Hitachi Powder chips using the metal strip as an antenna, Could well be true as the same technology is used in event tickets to stamp out forgery and touts.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

We are now in the 21st Century, where electronic tracking is done by corporations and is associated with increasing profits. Governments don't have to pass special legislation to track people or ships, because the corporations are already doing it de facto when you buy their products or ship things. That does not mean there will not be government abuse. When the George W. Bush administration in McCarty Era fashion accessed millions of innocent AT&T corporation customer records, emails, and phone calls claiming national security as justification is a case in point.But yelling CONSPIRACY! is so much more fun!

What is happening now, corporations have set up the ground work, Ie service providers, transit smart card systems, Etagging in supermarkets, ETC, the authorities come along and request records, they get a taste for it and want more just like putting a beggar on a horse, eventually getting full live access. This is currently happening in the UK.

Black Swan · 16-04-2009 6:07am

Little of this emerging tracking technology mentioned here is hidden, ergo lacking a basic fundamental of a conspiracy? If you stay informed, you can observe GPS, RFID, and related tracking technologies as they are researched, designed, and implemented. Most of the things I mentioned earlier in this thread have been featured in high circulation magazines like WIRED, Popular Mechanics, Scientific American, etc., or by just web surfing using key word searches. We may not like corporate tracking cookies or government snooping, per se, but to claim that such action qualifies as a full blown conspiracy I believe is a bit much.

Run_to_da_hills · 16-04-2009 7:42am

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Little of this emerging tracking technology mentioned here is hidden, ergo lacking a basic fundamental of a conspiracy? If you stay informed, you can observe GPS, RFID, and related tracking technologies as they are researched, designed, and implemented. Most of the things I mentioned earlier in this thread have been featured in high circulation magazines like WIRED, Popular Mechanics, Scientific American, etc., or by just web surfing using key word searches. We may not like corporate tracking cookies or government snooping, per se, but to claim that such action qualifies as a full blown conspiracy I believe is a bit much.

I Mentioned this in a previous tread of an article by Alex Foss in the Financial Times regarding the end to Privacy by 2013. Even since December when this was published we have lost more of our rights due to new EU Invasive laws.

It is only a matter of time before the dots are connected between all this new wonderful technology.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/acd2c66c-c0da-11dd-b0a8-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

robtri · 16-04-2009 8:45am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The ultimate goal of the Globalists elite is to track & trace every man woman and child on this planet.

care to explian why?? what would be the purpose? and can we have some facts and not "what if's" or speculation out of your own mind...
what is the conspiracy with rfid and tracking shipments, cargo and people...

6th · 16-04-2009 9:07am

robtri wrote: »

care to explian why?? what would be the purpose? and can we have some facts and not "what if's" or speculation out of your own mind...
what is the conspiracy with rfid and tracking shipments, cargo and people...

If you ask why they are doing this then you can only expect RtdH opinion. Reasons for doing things are subjective to a point. Also this is a Conspiracy Theory forum, not a court of law. We're here to promote discussion so its not a case of provide facts or shut up.

robtri · 16-04-2009 9:53am

6th wrote: »

If you ask why they are doing this then you can only expect RtdH opinion. Reasons for doing things are subjective to a point. Also this is a Conspiracy Theory forum, not a court of law. We're here to promote discussion so its not a case of provide facts or shut up.

very true, but opinions need to based on some facts, and I am asking for these that suport his opinions...
edit: also RTDH has a habit of not answering the question asked and goes off on a rant about something completely different,

Black Swan · 16-04-2009 11:09pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I Mentioned this in a previous tread of an article by Alex Foss in the Financial Times regarding the end to Privacy by 2013.

When has our privacy not been violated? It's been going on for thousands of years! I guess you have never lived in a small town? Who's sleeping with whom? Who is cheating on whom? Who had an argument with whom? Who broke up with whom? Who makes the most bucks? Who screwed up at work? On and on it goes! At least the cookies that track my clicks are accurate and are not exaggerated, spiced-up, and distorted by the small town gossips, or the chatty beauticians at the hair salon.

I still see no conspiracy in what you have suggested. What I do see with the advance of technology, and the associated tracking of assets, is what Max Weber concluded from his Treatise of Bureaucracy in Economy and Society (1922). He talked about the march of rationalisation, from rudimentary tallies of counting sheep, to today's more sophisticated software-driven accounting systems. The advance of such counting (e.g., tracking) systems were not the results of conspiracies, but rather to improve measurement, analysis, accountability, planning, prediction, and the reduction of asset risk; i.e., to increase profits in commercial enterprise, or to be accountable to voters and special interest groups associated with governing.

Once in awhile there are cases of privacy abuse, like when the G.W. Bush administration snooped on millions of innocent US American phone and Internet communications, which was a violation of civil rights, but I would rather think such behaviour was a result of gross government incompetence in the pursuit of terrorists, rather than a formulated conspiracy against the US American people.

You have not offered any proof of a specific incident associated with the tracking of shipping and pirates in the OP to suggest that there was a real and specific conspiracy ongoing at this moment. Only a hypothetical "what if," as well as reference to a general trend of tracking assets with improving technology.

Jimkel · 17-04-2009 2:27am

The OP was one of the most fanciful and stupid things I have read in a while. Somalia has enough real issues without being tarnished by that bull. Somalia and surrounding coastal countries have ALWAYS had a problem with piracy.

Smalia. Perfect location for a rigged 9/11 spectacular to justify a global (NWO) navy

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