Go Safe Camera Van living in Navan!

Fiskar · 09-07-2015 8:49pm #1

See Go safe vans regularly round the town particularly going out the town on the old N3, Race course road, near Tara.
Anyone been nabbed yet and what is the leadtime on getting the notification by post? May have been done by one myself early in the morning.
Surprised at how long they are around the town as one could get caught any number of times without realising it until it is too late.

Vego · 09-07-2015 10:24pm

Fiskar wrote: »

Surprised at how long they are around the town as one could get caught any number of times without realising it until it is too late.

Unless your driving within the legal speed limit

Fiskar · 10-07-2015 8:03am

Vego wrote: »

Unless your driving within the legal speed limit

Not a helpful comment, there are so many speed zones in Navan, 30, 50, 60, 80km. I am quite a careful driver with 0 points todate.

ezra_pound · 10-07-2015 8:05am

Fiskar wrote: »

Not a helpful comment, there are so many speed zones in Navan, 30, 50, 60, 80km. I am quite a careful driver with 0 points todate.

The point still stands. I've had two fixed penalty notices for speeding but only because I was over the prescribed limit. Speeding is the biggest killer on our roads.

adelcrowsmel · 10-07-2015 8:08am

Fiskar wrote: »

See Go safe vans regularly round the town particularly going out the town on the old N3, Race course road, near Tara.
Anyone been nabbed yet and what is the leadtime on getting the notification by post? May have been done by one myself early in the morning.
Surprised at how long they are around the town as one could get caught any number of times without realising it until it is too late.

I haven't personally been nabbed - but know someone who was with the speed vans and the post was out within 2 weeks. Thankfully they seem to park in the same place all the time so I'm aware enough to clock my speed when I'm in the areas that I'm used to seeing them - I don't consider myself to be a speeder and have no penalty points either but with these vans I would hate to get a fine for say doing 51 in a 50 zone or something similar!!

frostyjacks · 10-07-2015 8:16am

It's like shooting fish in a barrel for the speed vans on the N3. There's two fixed cameras as well between Navan and just after Rathbeggan, although one of them I think is broken. Seems a bit much.

niallam · 10-07-2015 8:52am

ezra_pound wrote: »

The point still stands. I've had two fixed penalty notices for speeding but only because I was over the prescribed limit. Speeding is the biggest killer on our roads.

Speed isn't the biggest killer on our roads, driver error is. Driver error is a factor in almost 80% of fatal road crashes. Bad judgement, inexperience, our terrible driver training for learners, bad road conditions etc
A car doing 30km on the furthest right lane on a motorway is far more dangerous than someone doing 140km in the furthest left when possible and only using the next lane to the right to overtake when needed.
Speeding can be contributing factor but not the cause of a crash.

And back to the OP, the only way to not get caught is obvious but almost everyone breaks a speed limit, even our poster with their "great" advise, and wants us to believe that they've only broken a speed limit once and that 1 time they managed to get caught.
Most have an idea where the vans do be so if they find a more lucrative spot they'll return, these flash for cash vans have little to do with safety really.

An example is, further down the N3 before dunshsughlin, Google tells me the town land is called Berrillstown (after Ross Cross), there is usually a van parked in on the left.
These vans can only park in designated areas where people have been killed or "black spots" as the old signs used to say. This area about 20 years ago a lady was killed coming out of dunshsughlin when she slid on ice. That really has nothing to do with why the van is there, it's there because it's a great spot, just over the crest of a hill on a road that used to be 60mph and is now 80km.
Was it speed, the ice or inexperience in the driving conditions that caused the crash, maybe it was the fault of a tree? If the tree had grown 2 foot to the left it could be missed?

If there was a big sign at Dalgan every other day saying "Garda speed checks in operation on N3" would you speed at all on your way to Dunshsughlin? They'd only have to operate 1 a week at different times and it would eliminate speeding on that road, south bound anyway, so same exiting Dunshsughlin. Word would get around quickly about it.

jeffk · 10-07-2015 10:11am

I agree about the whole speed is a killer idea, bad driving is worse and i see more of that than i do speeding!

That one out by the race course is a joke, the way the road is you are above it for a bit and can see it miles away.

After that theres a sign at the bus stop at the hill of Tara, but never seen a van.

Then as mentioned the one pulled in at the gate just after Dunsaughlin, just make sure to do 80 from Dundaughlin and as soon as you see the camera post coming in

The amount of people including the buses that are up your arse, if you want to go faster than I am legally doing pay 1.40.

I dont like the toll and it drives me mad it use to me, knowing how much faster the road was till the motorway went in, but it aint changing

dgt · 10-07-2015 1:23pm

They are in positions where they can catch the most speeders. Its naff all to do with safety from what I see.

Look at all the fatalities at the racecourse over the years, even recent years. A true black spot. Theres even a safe spot it can park at across from the racecourse. That would be an excellent spot for it to park and where it should be. But no. Where does it park? At the bottom of a hill where the speed limit changes halfway downhill, where naff all has happened there in decades. Saving lives, my arse.

Same goes for collon, the van does be on the straight stretch outside the go kart track hidden off the road until its too late. Again once a 60mph road with no fatalities on that stretch cut to 80kmh

They recently zoned a local road of mine, I'm very interested to see where the van will set up

Fiskar · 10-07-2015 4:26pm

frostyjacks wrote: »

It's like shooting fish in a barrel for the speed vans on the N3. There's two fixed cameras as well between Navan and just after Rathbeggan, although one of them I think is broken. Seems a bit much.

Fixed cameras are broken. The van living constantly in Navan is a bit much

Fiskar · 10-07-2015 4:31pm

Driving at speed way over the speed limit and when road conditions are poor might be a more correct statement however the point of my thread is the notification period and the constant presence of the speed vans in the Navan area.

I would also add that these vans are not in position on wet and windy days when road conditions are poor (probably for safety reasons of the operator). They certainly are not in position on cold and frosty mornings possibly the same reason.

They are in my view revenue generating vehicles only for Messrs O'Brien (who owns the firm) and the Government

Access · 10-07-2015 5:37pm

Vego wrote: »

Unless your driving within the legal speed limit

Thats not a very fair comment Vego, Can you really say you have never gone over the speed limit yourself. Cause I know I have.

Vego · 10-07-2015 9:00pm

Fiskar wrote: »

Not a helpful comment, there are so many speed zones in Navan, 30, 50, 60, 80km. I am quite a careful driver with 0 points todate.

Sorry to have offended you and all with the comment, speed zones are there for a reason stay within the limits and all will be fine

Vego · 10-07-2015 9:12pm

adelcrowsmel wrote: »

I haven't personally been nabbed - but know someone who was with the speed vans and the post was out within 2 weeks. Thankfully they seem to park in the same place all the time so I'm aware enough to clock my speed when I'm in the areas that I'm used to seeing them - I don't consider myself to be a speeder and have no penalty points either but with these vans I would hate to get a fine for say doing 51 in a 50 zone or something similar!!

There`s something like a 10 percent margin if your in a 50 zone and accidentally doing 55 your safe enough not to get a letter but if your doing 60 expect a letter

drvr · 13-07-2015 2:51am

The fixed speed cameras have been removed on the kells rd, ross cross, and dalgan park.

NufcNavan · 13-07-2015 3:13pm

The speed vans are there for one reason and that is revenue.

They are not in areas where accidents are more common than others. Look at the spot for the van beside the lights in Kilcarn. You are approaching a set of lights anyway so everyone is slowing down. It is done to catch people out.

And as per on threads like these there are always those who have never made a mistake in their lives. Take the N3 for example. It is a road where it is completely safe to go over 80kph. Everyone does. Here's a good experiment for anybody. Go from Navan to Dunshaughlin on the N3 and never break 80kph, and count how many times you are overtaken.

bladespin · 13-07-2015 4:31pm

Vego wrote: »

Sorry to have offended you and all with the comment, speed zones are there for a reason stay within the limits and all will be fine

Many of the zones around Meath have changed recently, 50 kmhs have been extended into what used to be 60 etc etc, it's quite easy to make a mistake and yes they should be paying attention but IO'd rather they watched where they were going more than the signs at the side of the road.

Also for the sake of argument, what's the reason for the Kells road being reduced to 80kmh when it was 100 not all that long ago, just curious???

NufcNavan · 13-07-2015 5:36pm

bladespin wrote: »

Also for the sake of argument, what's the reason for the Kells road being reduced to 80kmh when it was 100 not all that long ago, just curious???

Basically it's an attempt to entice people onto the M3.

Another silly speed limit is the 60kph between Navan and Kilcarn on the Dublin Road. More than safe enough to do 70 or 80 kph.

Vego · 13-07-2015 8:51pm

bladespin wrote: »

IO'd rather they watched where they were going more than the signs at the side of the road.

Also for the sake of argument, what's the reason for the Kells road being reduced to 80kmh when it was 100 not all that long ago, just curious???

Probably best watching both where they were going and the signs ....i,e dangerous bends, t junctions, school ahead, etc etc

as for the question best of asking those who changed it to be honest about it;)

chrysagon · 14-07-2015 5:32am

I cant understand why some roads have decresed in speed limit, even though theres less traffic, as in old Kells road out of Navan, use to be 100km, now 80 km/h

adelcrowsmel · 14-07-2015 7:34am

chrysagon wrote: »

I cant understand why some roads have decresed in speed limit, even though theres less traffic, as in old Kells road out of Navan, use to be 100km, now 80 km/h

Its all down to road classification - the old N3 what was a National road was downgraded to Regional road status after the M3 opened. All regional roads have a speed limit of 80km......now why they downgraded the road to regional status is another question......might have been to try to encourage people to use the M3 or maybe due to finances as I imagine less money would be invested in a regional road than a national road...who knows!!

jeffk · 14-07-2015 10:17am

adelcrowsmel wrote: »

Its all down to road classification - the old N3 what was a National road was downgraded to Regional road status after the M3 opened. All regional roads have a speed limit of 80km......now why they downgraded the road to regional status is another question......might have been to try to encourage people to use the M3 or maybe due to finances as I imagine less money would be invested in a regional road than a national road...who knows!!

Has to be a money earner,push people onto the M3.

What really gets me is double toll if you use the M3(which should go further on).
I think if say Navan toll to Kells toll is x time safely then once you use both in that time you don't pay both

Fiskar · 15-07-2015 9:38pm

The Revenue van was parked up on the old N3 just before you turn into Metges Road this evening. you would think they would have their quota filled by now.

Personally speaking, I have never ever seen a car crash there. I do recall at least 2 fatal collisions on the stretch between pedestrians late at night that resulted in 4 fatalities.

Access · 15-07-2015 10:41pm

NufcNavan wrote: »

Basically it's an attempt to entice people onto the M3.

Another silly speed limit is the 60kph between Navan and Kilcarn on the Dublin Road. More than safe enough to do 70 or 80 kph.

Agreed, Its a case of slow them down on the old road to push them onto the M3 for the tolls.

Vego · 15-07-2015 10:47pm

Access wrote: »

In fairness, that is a childish reply vego.

Yep ...can we stay on topic maybe in fairness an all ........Op I seen the van at johnstown today and I would agree that its position in relation to road safety has to be brought into question, directly after a 60 kmh sign and right at traffic lights ....surely a sign it is a money making position and not in the interest of road safety.:)

Fiskar · 15-07-2015 11:10pm

Well so far no letter in the post after 3 weeks, nothing worst than paying these FG-LG pension lining, water charging and property taxing ***k's any more than I can afford.

Fiskar · 15-07-2015 11:13pm

This camera treatment keeps up and I will be back on the Rossi bike, 0 points on that too and a whole lot less stressful.

Access · 15-07-2015 11:20pm

Fiskar wrote: »

Well so far no letter in the post after 3 weeks, nothing worst than paying these FG-LG pension lining, water charging and property taxing ***k's any more than I can afford.

You shouldn't get any at this point so... normally a week the last time one of my mates got hit for speed in Limerick.

Vicxas · 16-07-2015 9:36am

Biggest spots on that road are:

Heading towards Dunshaughlin, after Lismullen and right inside the sign for the speed camera.

Skryne, just after the big white house heading towards navan, thats a new one.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.579812,-6.587343,3a,75y,186.37h,70.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdWNiMdJY6Y3PT43UzAdvkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This one, in particular annoys me, as its right after a hill so it can catch unaware people:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.543441,-6.568297,3a,75y,134.68h,70.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soboZ9qXbZZErbDGaVBvFZg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And lastly, this peach. This one nearly caught me as normally i would gradually let my speed wind down coming into navan. But noooooo....

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.630384,-6.659243,3a,75y,278.93h,80.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0v93hWMZPgXHUL0vPSCGYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

He'll normally be sitting in behind the sign so you dont see him until the last second.

Special mention goes to the bastard that sits here though:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.632162,-6.663808,3a,75y,2.83h,71.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBjaF2PST0kE0lB65jd_fEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

jeffk · 16-07-2015 9:52am

I go up and down to herself in navan and never seen a camera anywhere but just after dunsaughlin.

These new places have me worried now

Fiskar · 16-07-2015 5:53pm

Yes, know all 4 locations but was not aware they park at the 4th, they must be minting it. 3rd location is the one I was worried about as I was coming out of Navan from Metges Road and it was a red van parked as if outside a house.
Seriously taking the fun as if there is any out of motoring

chrysagon · 16-07-2015 6:12pm

nothing to do with accident black spots..just a cash cow

chrysagon · 22-07-2015 3:35pm

And just saw that van at kilcarn..60km/h zone near lights, stupid really, thankfully plenty of oncoming motorist flashing, good to see fellow motorist helping out each other,i have no interest helping this private company buy new vans..

Fiskar · 26-07-2015 10:15pm

Well Friday July 24th must be the first day in over 6 weeks that no camera van was on my route, either that r I missed them.

haro124 · 27-07-2015 9:04am

The amount of people who break the speed limit on the old N3 is crazy, driving at the speed limit the other day and I was overtaken several times on a short stretch! Not surprised that they're targeting it

highdef · 27-07-2015 10:51am

Seriously, are people chancing their arm by trying to get away with driving over the speed limit when the limits are very clearly signposted or are people just not paying attention to the speed limit signs? Neither of these are an excuse to be caught speeding. I really can't see why people are so hung up about being caught for doing something that they shouldn't be doing.

Just obey the rules of the road.....when you obtain your drivers licence, part of the deal is that you agree to obey the rules of the road. If you don't want to do that, hand your licence back and get off the road and let those who want to drive in a safe and legal manner get on with their lives.

niallam · 27-07-2015 11:19am

highdef wrote: »

Seriously, are people chancing their arm by trying to get away with driving over the speed limit when the limits are very clearly signposted or are people just not paying attention to the speed limit signs? Neither of these are an excuse to be caught speeding. I really can't see why people are so hung up about being caught for doing something that they shouldn't be doing.

Just obey the rules of the road.....when you obtain your drivers licence, part of the deal is that you agree to obey the rules of the road. If you don't want to do that, hand your licence back and get off the road and let those who want to drive in a safe and legal manner get on with their lives.

Because you never broke a speed limit or any rule of the road ever? You must be a terrible driver if you haven't.
Driving in a safe manner sometimes involves breaking a rule or speed limit, common sense and cop on have as much to do with driving as rules do.

Irish people are obsessed with "speeding kills". Why is it in countries like Germany you will be pulled over by the Polizei quicker for being in the wrong lane on a motorway than for speeding in the correct lane?
Bad driving kills, drivers who are oblivious to everything else going on around them are the most dangerous on the roads.

bladespin · 27-07-2015 12:19pm

highdef wrote: »

Seriously,.

Highhorse riders to the right please ===>

highdef · 27-07-2015 12:26pm

niallam wrote: »

drivers who are oblivious to everything else going on around them are the most dangerous on the roads.

.....such as drivers who are unaware that they are breaking the speed limit on any given stretch of road. If someone gets caught and then says "I didn't realise that the limit was xx kmph", then the chances are that they weren't paying attention and were oblivious to their surroundings.

For the record, I do stick to the speed limit all the time except when conditions do not allow me to do so safely. Perhaps I am an exception to the general rule. I don't like to drive slowly. I like to drive as quickly as I can do so whilst still obeying the rules of the road.

A recent example would be the recent roadworks on the N3 inbound before Blanchardstown (not sure if the roadworks are still ongoing). Speed limit went from 120 to 80 and then down to 60. I matched my speed to what was posted and had cars flying past. Had any of those people been caught, they would have said that it was "shooting fish in a barrel" when in fact it was because they made a conscious decision to break the speed limit and were well aware of the consequences should the be caught. The speed limit signs could not be missed so there was no argument.

The reasoning behind any speed limit is irrelevant. You still need to obey them. I really hate some of speed limits which are set wayyyyyy to slow but that's just the way it is. I build a bridge and get over it.

Fiskar · 27-07-2015 3:20pm

highdef wrote: »

Seriously, are people chancing their arm by trying to get away with driving over the speed limit when the limits are very clearly signposted or are people just not paying attention to the speed limit signs? Neither of these are an excuse to be caught speeding. I really can't see why people are so hung up about being caught for doing something that they shouldn't be doing.

Just obey the rules of the road.....when you obtain your drivers licence, part of the deal is that you agree to obey the rules of the road. If you don't want to do that, hand your licence back and get off the road and let those who want to drive in a safe and legal manner get on with their lives.

Lets take a trip into Dublin, if one goes on the N2 it is a normal 100kph speed limit, if we go on the old N3 it is a poorly 80kph when in my opinion both roads are the same standard.
Lets take another example, why is the R153 Navan to Kentstown road the same speed limit as the old N3 and in my opinion correct for the class of road it is. The limit on the old N3 should be 100kph, it has been dropped purely to get people onto the M3 who then come off at Dunshaughlin to avoid the toll and the camera vans.

Also, comparing the old N3 to the N2, I have never seen a camera van on the N2. Their pitch is the old N3 to catch cars on a safe stretch of road nudging above the paltry 80kph limit.

niallam · 27-07-2015 3:59pm

highdef wrote: »

.....such as drivers who are unaware that they are breaking the speed limit on any given stretch of road. If someone gets caught and then says "I didn't realise that the limit was xx kmph", then the chances are that they weren't paying attention and were oblivious to their surroundings.

Dash and speedo watching instead of road watching...

99% of people caught speeding in an 80km zone as well aware of their speed, the only one they'll lie to is a Garda if pulled over.
I break 80km speed limits, I break 100km speed limits, I break 120km speed limits. I don't go out intentionally to do it but drifting over a speed is very easy unless you use a speed limiter.
I don't break 50 and 60km limits, I believe they are there for a good reason.

I got 2 points the first month they were introduced doing 61 in a 50 where they had that day extended the 50 out further. It was in Ratoath a long time ago

Back to the original point of this thread though these vans are still being stuck in places to make money rather than keep roads safe.

Skrynesaver · 27-07-2015 4:08pm

Fiskar wrote: »

Lets take a trip into Dublin, if one goes on the N2 it is a normal 100kph speed limit, if we go on the old N3 it is a poorly 80kph when in my opinion both roads are the same standard.
Lets take another example, why is the R153 Navan to Kentstown road the same speed limit as the old N3 and in my opinion correct for the class of road it is. The limit on the old N3 should be 100kph, it has been dropped purely to get people onto the M3 who then come off at Dunshaughlin to avoid the toll and the camera vans.

Also, comparing the old N3 to the N2, I have never seen a camera van on the N2. Their pitch is the old N3 to catch cars on a safe stretch of road nudging above the paltry 80kph limit.

The NRA is no longer in charge of maintaining the ols N3 and it is now downgraded to a regional road rather than a national one... As a result there is no guarantee that repairs, signage etc meets the required standard for a National Primary Route.

Vego · 27-07-2015 9:45pm

Fiskar wrote: »

Also, comparing the old N3 to the N2, I have never seen a camera van on the N2. Their pitch is the old N3 to catch cars on a safe stretch of road nudging above the paltry 80kph limit.

I have seen plenty of camera vans on the n2 ...at the snailbox turn-off and that big bend near ballymagarvey village

bladespin · 28-07-2015 9:10pm

Vego wrote: »

I have seen plenty of camera vans on the n2 ...at the snailbox turn-off and that big bend near ballymagarvey village

Cherry picker every few days.

chrysagon · 29-07-2015 5:25am

But the fact that the vans are only a few metres inside the 60km/h sign says a lot, you have to slam on to be compliant!!

DanWall · 29-07-2015 6:48am

You only get caught if you break the speed limit

NufcNavan · 29-07-2015 5:14pm

DanWall wrote: »

You only get caught if you break the speed limit

Cheers for clearing that up.

Vego · 29-07-2015 7:09pm

DanWall wrote: »

You only get caught if you break the speed limit

True but I/anyone would question the one parked on the n3 at johnstown ....at the moment there is a big road diversion sign blocking the 60 kmh sign on the left and tree branches blocking the one on the right so you only get to see the 60 sign at the last min and directly after the sign is the truck ....so while the vans are there to deter drivers from speeding you have to say anyone "caught" at that particular site would have a valid reason to be p**sed off

PeteK* · 29-07-2015 7:27pm

chrysagon wrote: »

But the fact that the vans are only a few metres inside the 60km/h sign says a lot, you have to slam on to be compliant!!

A few metres of the speed limit that increases, surely?
The opposite would be unbelievable unless I saw for myself..

bladespin · 29-07-2015 7:59pm

They do little or nothing to deter speeding in general IMO much better for practicing safe distances, you only need to get surprised once by a nervous Nelly slamming on their brakes (often while well within the limit) to start leaving more room (no bad thing) but with them starting to pop up on motorways my bet is they will cause a big accident sooner or later.

bladespin · 04-08-2015 5:10pm

Back at the bottom of Proudstown hill over the weekend, gladdened the heart the amount of vehicles flashing, the full gambit from boy racer to granny, amazing how these things have rebuilt the motoring community

Go Safe Camera Van living in Navan!

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