Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

opr · 13-04-2012 10:55am

Leiva wrote: »

Can someone please tell me Cryuff's track record as DOF , and any known success in this position?

Cause I'm struggling here .

tbh both Cruyff and Van Gaal haven't had much experience in the position.

Txiki Begiristain seems to be one of the names being fired about internet forums. DOF for Barcelona from 2003-2010 and currently out of work.

Opr

Sappy404 · 13-04-2012 11:07am

5starpool wrote: »

Also, if we are going to appoint a new dof soon, why would we be negotiating for players now? Makes no sense.

We've been scouting players for months, with Comolli at games very recently. Just because he's gone doesn't mean we've started from scratch WRT recruitment.

5starpool · 13-04-2012 11:12am

Sappy404 wrote: »

We've been scouting players for months, with Comolli at games very recently. Just because he's gone doesn't mean we've started from scratch WRT recruitment.

I know that, but it should probably be put on hold until someone new comes in, if indeed there is someone on the way.

Jayob10 · 13-04-2012 11:20am

Whats the official line on Marco Bueno?

His trial went very well I believe but we couldn't sign him as he was only 17.

Did he sign a pre contract with us?

He has done well in Pachuca's first team

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:24am

Rekop dog wrote: »

Not a hope Banega goes to Liverpool. None

Good detailed post. I like it.

opr · 13-04-2012 11:26am

@ Jayob10 Last I heard we hadn't managed to sign Marco Bueno on a pre-contract which probably means we have lost out on him as hes been attracting a great deal of attention

Graham Hunter was asked bout Txiki Begiristain on twitter.

Graham Hunter ‏ @BumperGraham Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
I believe in him wholly. Chelsea working butts off to get him

Opr

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:26am

PaulieC wrote: »

TBF it's rumoured that we're interested in him on Goal.com so I'd take that with a mountain of salt

It may be on goal but I haven't looked at that site in a long long time.
Stephen Martin is suggesting the talks are taking place and he is a bit more reliable so you can take it with all the salt you like

Dr Galen · 13-04-2012 11:27am

Jayob10 wrote: »

Whats the official line on Marco Bueno?

His trial went very well I believe but we couldn't sign him as he was only 17.

Did he sign a pre contract with us?

He has done well in Pachuca's first team

The unconfirmed rumour is that we have first option on him this summer. Himself and Herrera could be arriving as a job lot then.

Sasquatch76 · 13-04-2012 11:28am

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

For all they knew Carroll was the next Messi

Which was kinda my point earlier. I'll admit, I'm probably just being overly negative, but given their complete lack of knowledge of all things football, how shrewd they've been Stateside, and the large sums they were spending, it seems a tad shortsighted that more opinions/research weren't sought. Or maybe they were, and were ignored? I dunno.

Either way, while the cull yesterday showed FSG can be ruthless when needs be, I'm still to be blown away by their ownership. The Warrior deal, and other marketing moves were downright savvy, but some of their actions strike me as being a little naive, and they've also yet to pump any real money into the team with the majority of purchases so far coming from sales. Basically, I'm still waiting for them to prove they know what they're doing in ALL aspects of running the club. Another poor choice for DOF will set alarm bells ringing imo.

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:28am

opr wrote: »

@ Jayob10 Last I heard we hadn't managed to sign Marco Bueno on a pre-contract which probably means we have lost out on him as hes been attracting a great deal of attention

Graham Hunter was asked bout Txiki Begiristain on twitter.

Opr

I was reading this morning that Pachuca want to do seperate deals for Bueno and Herrera but Liverpool want to do a joint deal.

JimsAlterEgo · 13-04-2012 11:33am

would Dalglish have not been consulted at some stage about the fee, surely Comoli would have come back and said, we can get Henderson but its nearly 20M is this too high? The way its been painted is he operated in a vacuum and I doubt if that was the case.

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:36am

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

would Dalglish have not been consulted at some stage about the fee, surely Comoli would have come back and said, we can get Henderson but its nearly 20M is this too high? The way its been painted is he operated in a vacuum and I doubt if that was the case.

Source to the fee for Henderson being 20 million?

Sappy404 · 13-04-2012 11:40am

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

would Dalglish have not been consulted at some stage about the fee, surely Comoli would have come back and said, we can get Henderson but its nearly 20M is this too high? The way its been painted is he operated in a vacuum and I doubt if that was the case.

I'm not sure if there was an official fee published for Hendo. AFAIK it's £16m, rising to £20m, presumably based on a number of factors.

The Henderson negotiations took days didn't they? I'm sure Kenny wasn't totally in the dark.

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:42am

Sappy404 wrote: »

I'm not sure if there was an official fee published for Hendo. AFAIK it's £16m, rising to £20m, presumably based on a number of factors.

The Henderson negotiations took days didn't they? I'm sure Kenny wasn't totally in the dark.

There's been several fees mentioned.
Sunderland fans will say 20 mill and Liverpool fans generally say 16 mill.

Kess73 · 13-04-2012 11:42am

amiable wrote: »

Source to the fee for Henderson being 20 million?

Henderson is anything from £16m to £20m depending on what outlet you read.

The local press in Liverpool reported the deal as being over £16m with add ons to follow, and the Sunderland media quoted the £20m figure with add ons to follow.

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:44am

Kess73 wrote: »

Henderson is anything from £16m to £20m depending on what outlet you read.

The local press in Liverpool reported the deal as being over £16m with add ons to follow, and the Sunderland media quoted the £20m figure with add ons to follow.

See my above post

Kess73 · 13-04-2012 11:46am

amiable wrote: »

See my above post

Guess what finger I am holding up.

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:48am

Kess73 wrote: »

Guess what finger I am holding up.

Your pinky? :pac:

Kess73 · 13-04-2012 11:55am

Only when drinking tea.

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:56am

Kess73 wrote: »

Only when drinking tea.

Are you going to Landan?

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:57am

Stephen Martin ‏

Cruyff's accepted a deal in principle

Sappy404 · 13-04-2012 11:58am

How many of you would 'undo' the Henderson deal if you could? £16-£20m isn't exactly a bargain, but I reckon he'll end up worth the money. I can see him flourishing in a deeper central role along with Lucas, preferably with Gerrard ahead of them and a proper wingers on either side.

opr · 13-04-2012 11:58am

Stephen Martin ‏ @stephen1martin Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Cruyff's accepted a deal in principle.#

:eek:

Also reports from Holland saying he will be officially leaving Ajax.

Liverpool Nederland þ @LiverpoolFC_NL Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Some more Cruyff news. He will leave Ajax this Friday. Press announcement expected later today. #LFC

Opr

amiable · 13-04-2012 11:59am

Sappy404 wrote: »

How many of you would 'undo' the Henderson deal if you could? £16-£20m isn't exactly a bargain, but I reckon he'll end up woth the money. I can see him flourishing in a deeper central role along with Lucas, preferably with Gerrard ahead of them and a proper wingers on either side.

I'd be happy enough to keep him now to be honest

Sasquatch76 · 13-04-2012 12:01pm

Sappy404 wrote: »

How many of you would 'undo' the Henderson deal if you could? £16-£20m isn't exactly a bargain, but I reckon he'll end up worth the money. I can see him flourishing in a deeper central role along with Lucas, preferably with Gerrard ahead of them and a proper wingers on either side.

Pretty much agree with you there. It's far too early to make a judgement on Henderson imo - we really were paying for potential. Adam and Downing were never going to improve but JH can, and I'd bet will (by how much I don't know, but definitely happy to keep him and find out).

Jayob10 · 13-04-2012 12:01pm

opr wrote: »

Stephen Martin ‏ @stephen1martin Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Cruyff's accepted a deal in principle.#

:eek:

Opr

this is amazing stuff, and not necessarily in a good way

Can anyone shed some light on what he would bring to the table apart from his name?

Whats his expertise? Apart from being a general p*ick wherever he goes?

I'm baffled. Its as if FSG took out there book of football history and just chose a legendary name.

Maybe i'm missing something, what has he specifically done in a role like this before? rather than act as an honourary president kind of thing?

argosy2006 · 13-04-2012 12:02pm

Cruffs, He should stick to dogs

eagle eye · 13-04-2012 12:06pm

argosy2006 wrote: »

Cruffs, He should stick to dogs

That would be Crufts if we are going to be priggish about spelling.

argosy2006 · 13-04-2012 12:07pm

Shes no linda. but she'll do i suppose

CL7 · 13-04-2012 12:08pm

Sappy404 wrote: »

How many of you would 'undo' the Henderson deal if you could? £16-£20m isn't exactly a bargain, but I reckon he'll end up worth the money. I can see him flourishing in a deeper central role along with Lucas, preferably with Gerrard ahead of them and a proper wingers on either side.

I thought we paid way too much for him at the time but I'm happy to keep him now. He has shown flashes of quality this season. I'd be confident that with the right coaching he could turn out to be a really good player for us.

Kess73 · 13-04-2012 12:13pm

amiable wrote: »

Are you going to Landan?

Yep will be there tomorrow, then back up to Liverpool Saturday night/Sunday morning so that I am there for the main memorial service and a private one later in the day.

opr · 13-04-2012 12:15pm

Still in shock with the fact that the links with Cruyff seem to have actual legs. While I am not exactly sure of the role FSG envisage for him as he seems an odd choice to directly replace Damien, it's Johan ****ing Cruyff. Hard not to be excited

Opr

argosy2006 · 13-04-2012 12:15pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Yep will be there tomorrow, then back up to Liverpool Saturday night/Sunday morning so that I am there for the main memorial service and a private one later in the day.

I Have a tv .
Fair play to ya though

argosy2006 · 13-04-2012 12:17pm

opr wrote: »

Still in shock with the fact that the links with Cruyff seem to have actual legs. While I am not exactly sure of the role FSG envisage for him as he seems an odd choice to directly replace Damien, it's Johan ****ing Cruyff. Hard not to be excited

Opr

I know nothing of the mans personality, But going on looks he looks annoying,
Yes i know, Lame,

opr · 13-04-2012 12:21pm

Meh, Carrie Baird saying he has joined Maccabi Tel Aviv. Need to close twitter and wait for some real news

carrie baird ‏ @carriebaird Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
Jordi Cruyff appointed Technical Director of Maccabi Tel Aviv. Jordi.

Opr

Boom_Bap · 13-04-2012 12:21pm

Was Cryuff not part of 'total football' at Ajax? Surely this was pretty much based on player attributes and statistics to develop players to allow them to play other positions.

So basically the earliest moneyball practices in football, and we all know that is what are current owners are all about.

Devilman40k · 13-04-2012 12:21pm

argosy2006 wrote: »

I know nothing of the mans personality, But going on looks he looks annoying,
Yes i know, Lame,

He and Louis van Gaal are credited with being the creators/instigators of the playing style/acadamy set up/mentality at Barcelona that you see today

Crash Bang Wall · 13-04-2012 12:23pm

opr wrote: »

Meh, Carrie Baird saying he has joined Maccabi Tel Aviv. Need to close twitter and wait for some real news

carrie baird ‏ @carriebaird Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
Jordi Cruyff appointed Technical Director of Maccabi Tel Aviv. Jordi.

Opr

Is Jordi not the son who played for them lot and Barca?

shotamoose · 13-04-2012 12:24pm

Don't see how Cruyff would work as a direct replacement for Comolli. If he's going to be put in charge of ensuring that the whole club structure is working towards producing great first teams in the future, as I believe he did at Barcelona, then that's something else. But I just can't see him being that involved with transfers, or how he would work with Kenny. We'll see, but I'm not filled with confidence ...

opr · 13-04-2012 12:25pm

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

Is Jordi not the son who played for them lot and Barca?

lol, you're quite right. Johan still on then. Back to twitter :P

Opr

Dr Galen · 13-04-2012 12:30pm

Various people give Cruyff a lot of credit for the modern Barca style of football and the total overhaul of the structure of the club from top to bottom. Txiki Begiristain would also quite obviously get a lot of credit.

From my reading around it, it seems like Cruyff was there are the very start, and one of the catalysts.

More recently, with Ajax, he pretty much wanted to do the same and change everything. Not completely sure if thats what we need right now?

Sasquatch76 · 13-04-2012 12:36pm

Dr Galen wrote: »

Various people give Cruyff a lot of credit for the modern Barca style of football and the total overhaul of the structure of the club from top to bottom. Txiki Begiristain would also quite obviously get a lot of credit.

From my reading around it, it seems like Cruyff was there are the very start, and one of the catalysts.

More recently, with Ajax, he pretty much wanted to do the same and change everything. Not completely sure if thats what we need right now?

If FSG really are in this for the long haul, I can understand them wanting to start afresh, but generally speaking I agree with ya there; it's the first team and squad that needs most work right now (as well as something concrete on the stadium side of things).

opr · 13-04-2012 12:39pm

Dr Galen wrote: »

Various people give Cruyff a lot of credit for the modern Barca style of football and the total overhaul of the structure of the club from top to bottom. Txiki Begiristain would also quite obviously get a lot of credit.

From my reading around it, it seems like Cruyff was there are the very start, and one of the catalysts.

More recently, with Ajax, he pretty much wanted to do the same and change everything. Not completely sure if thats what we need right now?

The change in philosophy at Barcelona in regards the football they play is attributed in large part to Cruyff but the club was a complete mess when Cruyff himself managed to get Laporta voted in as president in 2003. The restructuring happened under the likes Txiki Begiristain. Cruyff doesn't seem to ever have been involved on the kind of business level we currently need for a DOF.

Opr

Leiva · 13-04-2012 12:43pm

opr wrote: »

@ Jayob10 Last I heard we hadn't managed to sign Marco Bueno on a pre-contract which probably means we have lost out on him as hes been attracting a great deal of attention

Graham Hunter was asked bout Txiki Begiristain on twitter.

Opr

:mad:

London will burn.again

Dr Galen · 13-04-2012 12:44pm

I don't think he was every employed at Barca in such a role, he was more an advisor to Laporta and the others.

delw · 13-04-2012 12:46pm

Cruyff would be a big attraction for footballers imo but could he also attract Guardiola if Kenny was to step aside

D'Agger · 13-04-2012 12:47pm

Sasquatch76 wrote: »

If FSG really are in this for the long haul, I can understand them wanting to start afresh, but generally speaking I agree with ya there; it's the first team and squad that needs most work right now (as well as something concrete on the stadium side of things).

I would have thought the plan from FSG would be over the course of 3-5 years of development.

If this were the case then, imo, they should be looking at the structure of the club first. If the Academy is doing well and producing players for our first team, our DOF, Manager, scouting network etc. is in place then the squad should come together over time and start producing.

Obviously that's an idealistic view but if I purchased Liverpool in the morning I'd be looking at long term over short term.

D'Agger · 13-04-2012 12:48pm

delw wrote: »

Cruyff would be a big attraction for footballers imo but could he also attract Guardiola if Kenny was to step aside

Doubtful imo

Dr Galen · 13-04-2012 12:49pm

delw wrote: »

Cruyff would be a big attraction for footballers imo but could he also attract Guardiola if Kenny was to step aside

I'd love to think so, but it's highly doubtful

Sasquatch76 · 13-04-2012 1:00pm

PaulieC wrote: »

I would have thought the plan from FSG would be over the course of 3-5 years of development.

If this were the case then, imo, they should be looking at the structure of the club first. If the Academy is doing well and producing players for our first team, our DOF, Manager, scouting network etc. is in place then the squad should come together over time and start producing.

Obviously that's an idealistic view but if I purchased Liverpool in the morning I'd be looking at long term over short term.

Thing is, they've already spunked a load of money into the first team, so at least initially it seems that they wanted to make us more competitive as a priority. It didn't work, obviously. So do they try again, or resign themselves, and the club, to being a top 8 side while the rebuilding work goes on elsewhere in the club?

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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