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General Election - Feb 26th Megathread

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  • #152
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    kupus wrote: »
    You need someone that has bigger balls than maggie thatcher to tackle the HSE and the JUSTICE industries.

    Ireland has nobody like that., so it will forever and a day remain the same.
    Too many chiefs, too many lined pockets and too many fingers in the pies.

    Alan Shatter would have had a go at it if he ever got as far as Taoiseach. Not the most pleasant man but he could get things done and didn't care who he pissed off along the way.


  • #153
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    dark crystal wrote: »
    He is spineless. He hides away and lets his cabinet do all his talking for him - he's the invisible man.

    That shows that he is quite bright to be honest. Everyone has their weaknesses and he recognised that public and open questioning is his. By letting his cabinet do the talking, he had nullified that negative.


  • #154
    Baggy Trousers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    Berserker wrote: »

    If they get another term and they probably will, then they will be in a position to put the wheels of change in motion w.r.t. health care. It is going to be really difficult to changes things though. The unions will make life extremely difficult for them.

    Don't ye get it? It's too late now. The unions have the HSE ruined. Beyond fixing I reckon.

    FG/Lab should have done the heavy lifting in 2011/2012. They should have taken on the unions. The unions were pussy cats back then - they,like the rest of us,knew the **** was hitting the fan and we need to cut & reform immediately.

    I voted FG believing the New Politics and Reform but they blew it.
    MASSIVE government majority, No credible opposition. Opportunity of a lifetime.

    However they cut elsewhere and reformed SFA. And the unions are brazen again.

    Shame.


  • #155
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Berserker wrote: »
    That shows that he is quite bright to be honest. Everyone has their weaknesses and he recognised that public and open questioning is his. By letting his cabinet do the talking, he had nullified that negative.

    I'd argue it's a fundamental asset to have as a leader, irrespective of other qualities.


  • #156
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    EazyD wrote: »
    I'd argue it's a fundamental asset to have as a leader, irrespective of other qualities.
    Bertie Ahern was an exceptional political showman and debater in Irish terms...... look where that got us!


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  • #157
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    irishfeen wrote: »
    Bertie Ahern was an exceptional political showman and debater in Irish terms...... look where that got us!

    Yes, Bertie played his part in sending us down the sinkhole. Doesn't change the fact that a good leader should have the charisma and ability to communicate effectively and honestly with the electorate.


  • #158
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    dark crystal wrote: »
    He is spineless. He hides away and lets his cabinet do all his talking for him - he's the invisible man.

    If he feels he's done such a great job for his country, come out and say so. Surely he should have enough cajones as the leader of a nation to at least face us and open his mouth during an election debate. Defend your policies and tell the nation why you should continue the great job you've been doing so far. If not, why not?

    I find it disconcerting how little he's ever seen or heard, given his position as leader.
    It sounds like you want a demagogue.


  • #159
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,656 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Don't ye get it? It's too late now. The unions have the HSE ruined. Beyond fixing I reckon.

    FG/Lab should have done the heavy lifting in 2011/2012. They should have taken on the unions. The unions were pussy cats back then - they,like the rest of us,knew the **** was hitting the fan and we need to cut & reform immediately.

    I voted FG believing the New Politics and Reform but they blew it.
    MASSIVE government majority, No credible opposition. Opportunity of a lifetime.

    However they cut elsewhere and reformed SFA. And the unions are brazen again.

    Shame.

    That is more the by-product of having Labour ministers in Public Expenditure and Social Welfare, nothing was ever going to be done.


  • #160
    kupus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Alan Shatter would have had a go at it if he ever got as far as Taoiseach. Not the most pleasant man but he could get things done and didn't care who he pissed off along the way.

    He wouldnt get anywhere. Remember whoever comes in only has 5 years if even, the HSE know that, the unions know that, everybody know that.

    IF the minister starts getting any ideas about changing things then the HSE and unions working hand in hand get antsy and they can start agitating for a strike under the mantra ....."what about the public"..... unfortunately the vast majority of the public fall for it. Each and everytime.

    ....its still the same people that are left. ministers come ministers go, tis forever and a day twill be.


  • #161
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    irishfeen wrote: »
    He is far from a "spineless little gombeen" ... he is obviously a very smart man to get himself elected to the highest office in the land.
    While he doesn't have the charisma of say Bertie Ahern (not necessarily a bad thing mind) his skills as a public speaker and debater are simply not good enough for leader of the country. He doesn't need to be amazing, just competent - which he patently isn't.

    Perhaps he does a good job managing FG and delegating responsibility amongst the cabinet but he's no statesman. He doesn't inspire confidence at a national level and certainly doesn't command respect internationally.

    All FG/Lab had to do to avoid fcuking up was to not do what had been done previously and for the most part they've succeeded. The bar for success wasn't set very high by the previous government though.


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  • #162
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It sounds like you want a demagogue.

    Does it?

    Wanting the leader of my country, whose policies affect my daily life, to come out of hiding and tell me why he's fit to run this country for another five years is akin to asking for a demagogue now?

    I don't expect him to have the charisma needed to run for American President (at least they put some work into it...), I just believe if he wants to continue in his job, he better damn well start applying for it now, instead of expecting his minions to do all the heavy lifting for him. Is that too much to ask for in a leader??


  • #163
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Does it?

    Wanting the leader of my country, whose policies affect my daily life, to come out of hiding and tell me why he's fit to run this country for another five years is akin to asking for a demagogue now?

    I don't expect him to have the charisma needed to run for American President (at least they put some work into it...), I just believe if he wants to continue in his job, he better damn well start applying for it now, instead of expecting his minions to do all the heavy lifting for him. Is that too much to ask for in a leader??
    Enda writes a lot, and Leader's questions are shown on oireachtas tv. While Enda may not be a great public speaker he is a good statesman and seems to be a very good manager. His respect abroad is quite high for leader of a small nation so I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you.


  • #164
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    FalconGirl wrote: »
    Don't know about that. A health system in ****e, a lack of affordable housing, homeless crisis. And construction certainly isn't back in full swing with banks still somewhat cagey to lend. Things are still fragile.

    The Health Service in this country is actually extremely good for a Socialised system, Joe Bloggs can have access to life saving treatment without going bankrupt, take a look at America if you want to see what "Excellent Health Care" does, it screws the poor and those on the margins of society. I consider Ireland's healthcare as very good on a par with most developed countries.

    The Homeless crisis is a product of peoples failure to take personal responsibility. The Government cannot be blamed for everything, any idiot who borrowed above and beyond during the boom and now finds himself broke gets no pity from me, and they you have the typical no hopers who are totally welfare reliant and decide to pop out a few kids and then complain about being homeless.

    The Housing Crisis, The country is full of houses and plenty affordable ones too, Longford, Leitrim, Roscommon all places with plenty affordable high quality housing stock at bargain prices. Not everyone can live in Dublin nor should it be encouraged.

    Construction should never be allowed get back into full swing nor should it be encouraged, everything should be done to stifle that toxic industry. What is needed is planning changes to allow high rise developments to build urban density and a total ban on rural one off housing.

    The Banks will lend to those who can repay and no bank should be lending above 50% of a house price unless to couples on over €80k or singles on over €60, borrowing money should be actively discouraged and savers rewarded. Interest rates should be north of 10% for borrowers and above 8% for savers.

    We should be a lean prudent society who saves money instead of the nation of drunkards who will collectively blame the Government for everything including personal failings when we should take responsibility and remember the Fianna Fail thieves who bankrupted our entire economy with their corruption.


  • #165
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    and here we go back to the parochial politics.
    Also known as representation. The Wexford People last July , referencing an ESRI report. said Wexford is consistently ranked among the poorest counties. This county includes the poorest town in the country according to Prime Time namely Bunclody. 5 years ago they scrapped the train from Wexford to Waterford. If I want to take a train to Cork I have to go through Dublin - a journey of 6 hours in total. The Irish Times constituency profile recently said that the county has been isolated by cuts in transport links to other counties. 90% of the Transport plan announced by the govt is going on Dublin. All this contributed to unbalanced regional development, rural isolation and depopulation. 80% of electoral districts in Wexford are classed as "marginally below average". 12.9% are "marginally above average" and 6.5% are "disadvantaged".

    On the other poster who referred to the CSO study on net indebtedness: I would point out the old saying about statistics I think from Gladstone. The study clearly includes houses including family homes in calculating wealth. It does not say Wexford is a wealthy county - rather it claims the southeast including Wexford, Tipperary, Kilkenny and Waterford is. Rural roads here are a disgrace. Unemployment is consistently among the highest in the country. The Irish Times constituency profile a few months ago mentioned 23% unemployment.


  • #166
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Well, as I live in South kerry, ie Healy Rae land.. a foregone conclusion. We will be suffering their faces along the roads now,, Found this gem today http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/esb-networks-urge-kerry-candidates-not-to-use-electricity-poles-for-posters/


  • #167
    topmanamillion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Health Service in this country is actually extremely good for a Socialised system, Joe Bloggs can have access to life saving treatment without going bankrupt, take a look at America if you want to see what "Excellent Health Care" does, it screws the poor and those on the margins of society. I consider Ireland's healthcare as very good on a par with most developed countries.

    The Homeless crisis is a product of peoples failure to take personal responsibility. The Government cannot be blamed for everything, any idiot who borrowed above and beyond during the boom and now finds himself broke gets no pity from me, and they you have the typical no hopers who are totally welfare reliant and decide to pop out a few kids and then complain about being homeless.

    The Housing Crisis, The country is full of houses and plenty affordable ones too, Longford, Leitrim, Roscommon all places with plenty affordable high quality housing stock at bargain prices. Not everyone can live in Dublin nor should it be encouraged.

    Construction should never be allowed get back into full swing nor should it be encouraged, everything should be done to stifle that toxic industry. What is needed is planning changes to allow high rise developments to build urban density and a total ban on rural one off housing.

    The Banks will lend to those who can repay and no bank should be lending above 50% of a house price unless to couples on over €80k or singles on over €60, borrowing money should be actively discouraged and savers rewarded. Interest rates should be north of 10% for borrowers and above 8% for savers.

    We should be a lean prudent society who saves money instead of the nation of drunkards who will collectively blame the Government for everything including personal failings when we should take responsibility and remember the Fianna Fail thieves who bankrupted our entire economy with their corruption.

    Please take my vote or if you're a woman marry me!
    A couple of hard truths there that need to be said more often.
    It drives me nuts when I see people on the news/current affairs programmes complaining about having to save 30k to get a 200k loan.


  • #168
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    I think Fine Gael will get ~34%.....Labour ~9% and will cobble together some sort of coalition with a few Indies.

    Fianna Fail to do better than current polling, probably get to 25%..... Sinn Fein to do much worse than current polling,,, around 12%


  • #169
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    I think Fine Gael will get ~34%.....Labour ~9% and will cobble together some sort of coalition with a few Indies.

    Fianna Fail to do better than current polling, probably get to 25%..... Sinn Fein to do much worse than current polling,,, around 12%


  • #170
    Jim Bob Scratcher
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    This sums it up



  • #171
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Am I the only one who thinks that Labor as the junior party in coalition did very well for their voters in reigning in fg? Dont get the hate, when the votes are counted they have a duty to try to set up a stable government with whoever the nation has chosen.


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  • #172
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks that Labor as the junior party in coalition did very well for their voters in reigning in fg? Dont get the hate, when the votes are counted they have a duty to try to set up a stable government with whoever the nation has chosen.

    I think there's a guy in Longford as well, though he might have moved.

    People have a lot of anger for Labour because if they voted for them for a certain reason (whatever it was, I dunno I'd never vote for them). They don't expect to see all that go out the window and end up with FG-lite. Bit like the Liberals in the UK, though they were a bit more colourful.


  • #173
    Why Do We Fall
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭Why Do We Fall


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Yeah, because defending your record as Taoiseach = Heavyweight boxing champ with foot in mouth disease.


    What's he afraid of anyway?

    What is it that you think he's dodged and is afraid of speaking publicly about?

    The way you're talking you'd swear there's some sort of scandal he's overseen that he has avoided talking about.

    Words like spineless are very strong to be throwing around, so at the very least you could give examples of such spineless behaviour.


  • #174
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    FG are only on 28% in this mornings IT poll.

    I think this will be our first ever class-based election. The previous IT poll found married and middle class voters backing FG and Labour, with the working and welfare class going to SF and to some extent FF. Interestingly the last poll also found a fairly even split in the Others group between middle and lower classes. But I think compared to usual, this election will be more class based than usual. This follows growing indications of class consciousness in EU referenda, where a class divide started to become evident in Lisbon I, where the working classes voted no and the middle classes voted yes.


  • #175
    mansize
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    Ozymandius2011 wrote: »
    FG are only on 28% in this mornings IT poll.

    I think this will be our first ever class-based election. The previous IT poll found married and middle class voters backing FG and Labour, with the working and welfare class going to SF and to some extent FF. Interestingly the last poll also found a fairly even split in the Others group between middle and lower classes. But I think compared to usual, this election will be more class based than usual. This follows growing indications of class consciousness in EU referenda, where a class divide started to become evident in Lisbon I, where the working classes voted no and the middle classes voted yes.

    Well they're 38.6 on AH poll!!! Exactly double SF!!! A lot of quiet FG voters???


  • #176
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Why Do We Fall wrote: »
    What is it that you think he's dodged and is afraid of speaking publicly about?

    The way you're talking you'd swear there's some sort of scandal he's overseen that he has avoided talking about.

    Words like spineless are very strong to be throwing around, so at the very least you could give examples of such spineless behaviour.

    The nature of his party's...special relationship...with Denis O'Brien?

    It's a handy one to drop into any debate.


  • #177
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I'm disgusted that support is on the rise for FF. What short memories people have.


  • #178
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,721 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Buona Fortuna wrote: »
    I think there's a guy in Longford as well, though he might have moved.

    People have a lot of anger for Labour because if they voted for them for a certain reason (whatever it was, I dunno I'd never vote for them). They don't expect to see all that go out the window and end up with FG-lite. Bit like the Liberals in the UK, though they were a bit more colourful.

    People seem to forget FG were only seven seats off an overall majority. That didnt give Labour a lot of power on the negotiating table. Increasing the bottom threshold on USC and not reducing the dole were a pretty decent return and protected a lot of their core voters.
    Labour have had very little power in this government and its silly to think they were somehow king makers. If not them fine gael would have gotten by elsewhere.


  • #179
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    mansize wrote: »
    Well they're 38.6 on AH poll!!! Exactly double SF!!! A lot of quiet FG voters???
    FF voters tend to be older and rural, and hence poorly represented on the internet. This is one of the reasons the pollsters underestimated the Tory vote in the UK.


  • #180
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Stinicker wrote: »
    The Health Service in this country is actually extremely good for a Socialised system, Joe Bloggs can have access to life saving treatment without going bankrupt, take a look at America if you want to see what "Excellent Health Care" does, it screws the poor and those on the margins of society. I consider Ireland's healthcare as very good on a par with most developed countries.

    The Homeless crisis is a product of peoples failure to take personal responsibility. The Government cannot be blamed for everything, any idiot who borrowed above and beyond during the boom and now finds himself broke gets no pity from me, and they you have the typical no hopers who are totally welfare reliant and decide to pop out a few kids and then complain about being homeless.

    The Housing Crisis, The country is full of houses and plenty affordable ones too, Longford, Leitrim, Roscommon all places with plenty affordable high quality housing stock at bargain prices. Not everyone can live in Dublin nor should it be encouraged.

    Construction should never be allowed get back into full swing nor should it be encouraged, everything should be done to stifle that toxic industry. What is needed is planning changes to allow high rise developments to build urban density and a total ban on rural one off housing.

    The Banks will lend to those who can repay and no bank should be lending above 50% of a house price unless to couples on over €80k or singles on over €60, borrowing money should be actively discouraged and savers rewarded. Interest rates should be north of 10% for borrowers and above 8% for savers.

    We should be a lean prudent society who saves money instead of the nation of drunkards who will collectively blame the Government for everything including personal failings when we should take responsibility and remember the Fianna Fail thieves who bankrupted our entire economy with their corruption.

    But everyone is entitled to a house regardless of their employment situation, personal responsability etc.

    Entitled has crept in and taken this country by storm.

    Suddenly everyone is entitled to something.

    I think we should all give up work and get a free house seems everyone is entitled to it.

    Entitled nation.


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  • #181
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    People seem to forget FG were only seven seats off an overall majority. That didnt give Labour a lot of power on the negotiating table. Increasing the bottom threshold on USC and not reducing the dole were a pretty decent return and protected a lot of their core voters.

    You might believe that, clearly others don't.
    Labour have had very little power in this government and its silly to think they were somehow king makers. If not them fine gael would have gotten by elsewhere.
    But they did it. They were the kingmakers and maybe baby they could have got other partners but they didn't.

    By joining the coalition, they sowed the wind ... and if they didn't have the vision or imagination of how things would turn out maybe that is more deserving of there likely electoral demise, than what they actually did.


  • #182
    mzungu
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    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks that Labor as the junior party in coalition did very well for their voters in reigning in fg? Dont get the hate, when the votes are counted they have a duty to try to set up a stable government with whoever the nation has chosen.

    Labour are getting it between the eyes mainly because they went mad with the promises in 2011, such as "Labours way or Frankfurt's way" etc. Granted, it was blindingly obvious that they could not deliver on most of them. All in all they have not done too badly given they have very little power (or should this be in the unpopular opinions thread :pac:). The actual damage was done on the campaign trail in 2011, if they had reigned in on the extravagant promises then who knows, they might be doing a wee bit better in the polls this time round.


  • #183
    Ozymandius2011
    Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    But everyone is entitled to a house regardless of their employment situation, personal responsability etc.

    Entitled has crept in and taken this country by storm.

    Suddenly everyone is entitled to something.

    I think we should all give up work and get a free house seems everyone is entitled to it.

    Entitled nation.
    Yet the bondholders were entitled to a bailout. So its Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest of us?

    Not having a roof over their heads means children being taken into care. The revelations about Grace in recent days should remind us of why that's not a very good idea.

    I don't think everyone is entitled to everything. I think to each according to his needs, from each according to his means. So the wealthy should get no social welfare, medical cards etc. That will free up resources to help those who cannot help themselves. Like my mother who can barely walk and whose home help hours have been cut.


  • #184
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Ozymandius2011 wrote: »
    Yet the bondholders were entitled to a bailout. So its Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest of us?

    Not having a roof over their heads means children being taken into care. The revelations about Grace in recent days should remind us of why that's not a very good idea.

    I don't think everyone is entitled to everything. I think to each according to his needs, from each according to his means. So the wealthy should get no social welfare, medical cards etc. That will free up resources to help those who cannot help themselves. Like my mother who can barely walk and whose home help hours have been cut.

    No problem with genuine cases like your mothers but these people with 5 or 6 kids and no job expecting a free house.

    The programme the other week where 2 of the 3 women featured living in hotels got pregnant again while living in a hotel!

    Like come on seriously. All they kept saying is how hard it is and they want a house.

    Don't get bloody pregnant again until you are more stable and it might help.


  • #185
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I'm disgusted that support is on the rise for FF. What short memories people have.

    The still relativity high level of support for FG proves that people literally have no memory...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98592200&postcount=3


  • #186
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    smash wrote: »
    The still reactively high level of support for FG proves that people literally have no memory...

    Wouldn't be the biggest FG fan myself, but they're the ones who have (ham-fistedly, I know) attempted to clean up Bertie/Cowan's messes. FF ran the country into the ground, practically high-fiving each other has the screwed the Irish public into submission.

    They must be stopped from re-entering government at all costs. I'll happily see FG in over them any day.


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  • #187
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    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    Wouldn't be the biggest FG fan myself, but they're the ones who have (ham-fistedly, I know) attempted to clean up Bertie/Cowan's messes. FF ran the country into the ground, practically high-fiving each other has the screwed the Irish public into submission.

    The 3 main parties have lots of ugly, I guess people look at SF high fiving Garda killers and FG high fiving Denis O'Brien.


  • #188
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    Wouldn't be the biggest FG fan myself, but they're the ones who have (ham-fistedly, I know) attempted to clean up Bertie/Cowan's messes. FF ran the country into the ground, practically high-fiving each other has the screwed the Irish public into submission.

    They must be stopped from re-entering government at all costs. I'll happily see FG in over them any day.

    But that's not true, it's just what they're telling you. The truth is that they just followed orders from the ECB and the troika. Any party would have done the same.


  • #189
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    smash wrote: »
    But that's not true, it's just what they're telling you. The truth is that they just followed orders from the ECB and the troika. Any party would have done the same.

    Yes but why were we taking orders from the Troika/ECB?

    Who got us there?


  • #190
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Buona Fortuna wrote: »
    Yes but why were we taking orders from the Troika/ECB?

    Who got us there?
    I know who got us there, I'm just making the point that FG/Labour didn't actually do anything themselves other than to break promises because their hands were tied, and they're getting praise for it?


  • #191
    Buona Fortuna
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    smash wrote: »
    I know who got us there, I'm just making the point that FG/Labour didn't actually do anything themselves other than to break promises because their hands were tied, and they're getting praise for it?

    Yep, but as a poster said about 8 or 10 up, they ain't the most elegant and certainly have their faults but they got us out of the **** that FF got us into.

    And for that reason ....


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  • #192
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    smash wrote: »
    The still relativity high level of support for FG proves that people literally have no memory...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98592200&postcount=3

    Not really. Quite a few people have probably done ok under this FG led Government, the alternative for them is extremely limited and the loony left of SF and the AAA probably scare the bejaysus out of them.


  • #193
    CFlat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭CFlat


    gandalf wrote: »
    Not really. Quite a few people have probably done ok under this FG led Government, the alternative for them is extremely limited and the loony left of SF and the AAA probably scare the bejaysus out of them.


    Exactly and I don't understand what people mean by a short memory. This country is mentioned by most economic commentators as one of the success stories of Europe in relation to recovery.

    A short memory would be voting back in Fianna Fail all right or voting for Paul Murphy's party when he and his 'brave' followers intimidated and restrained the Tanaiste of this country in her car. What a great fella he is. Leaving aside his Narnia politics.

    And while we're talking about memory fails, the piece de resistance of all memory fails would be voting for a party whose President doesn't even remember that he was the leader of a terrorist organisation for 3 decades. Now that's a memory fail of epic proportions.


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
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    CFlat wrote: »
    Exactly and I don't understand what people mean by a short memory. This country is mentioned by most economic commentators as one of the success stories of Europe in relation to recovery...

    You talking about the recent one? We have all heard economic commentators go on about the success of our economy, recently, 10 years ago etc.

    I guess for Denis O'Brien, it's been an outstanding time where he has pushed further and further into every aspect of our lives, communications, media, fuel, hospitals etc.

    Just why does he do so well every time FG get in? Can we take it this time around he's doing it in a way that won't lead to adverse findings in future tribunals, is he a reformed man?


  • #195
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Buona Fortuna wrote: »
    Yep, but as a poster said about 8 or 10 up, they ain't the most elegant and certainly have their faults but they got us out of the **** that FF got us into.

    And for that reason ....
    But if SF had been in power they'd have had to follow the plan set out by the ECB and the Troika too, would would have had the same result for us. Would you be praising them too?


  • #196
    MilesMorales1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    What was the choices when FG came in, or if a different party had come in? Either they would have had to do what FG did and dance to the tune of the people paying to keep the country afloat, or go under and implode.


  • #197
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    smash wrote: »
    But if SF had been in power they'd have had to follow the plan set out by the ECB and the Troika too, would would have had the same result for us. Would you be praising them too?

    Actually SF wanted to raid the pension fund at the time. Doesn't take a genius to see that would be a fckin awful idea.

    SF specialise in criticising whatever party is in power at the time, without ever proffering decent ideas if their own.


  • #198
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    The election leprechauns were out in force last night...

    On my ride to work, the route was magically festooned with election posters overnight :rolleyes:


  • #199
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    The election leprechauns were out in force last night...
    On my ride to work, the route was magically festooned with election posters overnight :rolleyes:
    Who were you riding to work, caller?


  • #200
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    CFlat wrote: »

    And while we're talking about memory fails, the piece de resistance of all memory fails would be voting for a party whose President doesn't even remember that he was the leader of a terrorist organisation for 3 decades. Not that's a memory fail of epic proportions.

    Ah now Gerry said he was never in the PIRA. What Gerry says must be true.


  • #201
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Who were you riding to work, caller?
    Two wheels you dirty minded bugger ye ;):D


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