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Obama comes out in favour of gay marriage

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  • #52
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Below is a remarkable document. It's a memo circulated by Jan van Lohuizen, a highly respected Republican pollster, (he polled for George W. Bush in 2004), to various leading Republican operatives, candidates and insiders. It's on the fast-shifting poll data on marriage equality and gay rights in general, and how that should affect Republican policy and language. And the pollster's conclusion is clear: if the GOP keeps up its current rhetoric and positions on gays and lesbians, it is in danger of marginalizing itself to irrelevance or worse.

    Read the bluntness of this. This is the GOP establishment talking to itself. And the Republican pollster who arguably knows more about the politics of the gay issue than anyone else (how else to explain the Ohio campaign of 2004?) is advising them in no uncertain terms that they need to evolve and fast, if they're not going to damage their brand for an entire generation:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/top-gop-pollster-to-gop-reverse-on-gay-issues.html


  • #53
    Matt Holck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭Matt Holck


    I'm glad obama supports marriage

    human's can achieve much in partnership

    let's not let it blind us to other issues

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ya-95pqaWk


  • #54
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    wasn't "the black vote" pretty instrumental in california and north carolina banning gay marriage?

    be interesting to see if the desire to vote for a black president is stronger than the desire to kill gay marriage in black churches across america.

    The Hispanic vote as well. California's Prop 8 passed (banning gay marriage) in a heavily Democratic-voting State. The timing couldn't have been worse for the Prop-8 opponents: Obama was very likely to bring out the rather socially conservative black and hispanics out in droves to vote for the man, but at the same time, while they were at the polls, they'd put their vote down -against- gay marriage. And they did.

    The news reports on the radio keep telling me that a slight majority of US citizens polled are in favour of gay marriage. This is, in practical terms, a useless statistic. What is far more important is what the US citizens, particularly independents, in swing States think of gay marriage.

    However, after a quick look...
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/11/poll-obamas-gay-marriage-push-hurts-him-with-independents/
    Gallup released a new poll on Friday showing that President Barack Obama’s controversial May 9 decision to back same-sex marriage is hurting his chances among independents.

    [snip]

    They’re small percentages, but more than enough to decide close races in critical swing states such as North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio and Florida.

    This is, of course, absolutely nothing to do with whether or not gay marriage is a good thing or morally acceptable. It's purely about getting the EC votes to win the election.


  • #55
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,459 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Umm, what are you on about? You do realise that Obama coming out of the closet changes absolutely nothing. It is up to each individual state to legislate on gay marriage.

    Though I would agree with you on the legislation point of things (though SCOTUS may have its own opinion on the Constitutionality of that legislation), the Feds are very much a part of the issue with the Defence of Marriage Act. It doesn't matter if, for example, Connecticut recognises gay marriage, a gay Connecticut resident won't get the federal spousal benefits.

    It's a bit like the issue right now with marijuana. The States can legalise it as they will, but the DEA can still come down on the pot growers.

    NTM


  • #56
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    It won't be nearly as controversial as Time magazine's breastfeeding cover, but Newsweek's May 21 issue declares Barack Obama the country's "first gay president."

    2zf7bci.jpg

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/13/newsweek-obama-gay-marriage-cover_n_1512794.html


  • #57
    Matt Holck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭Matt Holck


    ^not quite the noble peace prize

    but he's already refuted that one


    __________________________________________

    Defense of Marriage Act. is a misnomer

    if Marriage is to be a promoted structure in human culture,
    the participation should not be limited

    __________________________________

    "Obama’s gay marriage push hurts him with independents"

    could this read ?

    "Obama's push for attacking other countries hurts him with independents


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