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Commercialising the state: Customers of the government

  • 21-02-2014 4:58pm
    #1
    For Reals
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭


    Reilly proposes mandatory basic health cover
    People who refuse to purchase mandatory cover for a basic package of health benefits would have the costs deducted from their earnings or benefits under confidential Government proposals for its new system of universal health insurance (UHI).

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/reilly-proposes-mandatory-basic-health-cover-1.1699400

    This reminds me of Harney and her private option. Anyone who has gone through the health system knows if the waiting list is too long you can go to the same specialists private clinic, if you can afford it.
    This kind of thing does nothing to help the public at large but creates private business.
    Making health insurance mandatory is taking away any choice. You can come back with the system can't handle the weight as is, we need pay or in the least pay just in case if it is deemed we can afford it.
    There is always merit in paying for something that's needed. It's only common sense, but when do we go from the public having a choice to government mandated private purchase? Is this Reilly waving a white flag, 'we can't cope or organise health'? Basically we are being told we have to, must, purchase from private interests. As bad as Harney's schemes were, setting a precedent where by private and public are hand in hand, at least there was a choice, (even if she should have concentrated on the public end and let the private look after itself). With Reilly's proposed scheme you would be mandated by government to purchase. I don't think this is right.
    We are becoming forced customers and the government the only shop keeper on the block, choosing the vendors, setting the agenda which we must follow and if we don't make the purchases, they'll dip our pockets.
    We see this with home owners tax, broadcast licence, water, whether we've already been paying for them under another guise or not, they are now things we must pay for with no option not to buy.
    Fianna Fail were incompetent and corrupt. Is a government of Fine Gael, silent partnered by Labour, bleeding us dry from every angle, commercialising every element of our civic and private lives any better?
    One government made our lives miserable through greed and idiocy, the other through blind misguided cynical socio-economics.

    I'm quite serious; I expect footpath tax, Parks/greens/trees tax, (some environmental excuse), streetlight tax.


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  • #2
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,944 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    As has been pointed out on the reports about this today, we already pay PRSI and the USC which was supposed to cover this - I presume these will thus be abolished? (don't answer that, the answer is obvious!)

    This government is getting far too fond of these heavy-handed threats ("pay up or we'll abuse the Revenue and deduct it at source") and this latest outrage is just the latest example in a long line of them.

    HOWEVER, with the GSOC stuff, Anglo trial, and the Shatter farce, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this is just the usual tactic of trying to distract the "peasants" with something obviously controversial in order to take the heat off the bigger scandals!


  • #3
    For Reals
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭For Reals


    It's the little debate, no option, if you don't pay, we'll take it approach.
    I wish it were merely a distraction tactic.
    Saw this earlier...So Denis is the waterboy.


  • #4
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    How the hell do they expect ordinary working people to afford this on top of everything else. Besides the two tier system will remain. I would guess that with the new reillycare plan we will effectively have to pay for the same system we have now. The well off will be able to afford the better insurance plans and they will skip ahead of the plebs on the basic plans.


  • #5
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    If its off set with a reduction/removal of the USC I have no issue with it.


  • #6
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    If the property tax is anything to go by, offhand,
    it will be said to added directly to the stated aim, then siphoned into the general tax take,
    it will be pitched at amount X, then reduced to X*90% to show how reasonable is the Gov.,
    it will be used an election gambit to be decreased by a certain percentage, then this is ignored afterwards.

    Taxes once implemented, usually tend to increase: so PRSI/USC are likely going no where.


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  • #7
    bobcoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭bobcoffee


    "This reminds me of Harney and her private option"

    couldn't agree more, this would lead down a very dangerous road with negative impacts that could cripple the poor but make it easier for wealthier people to get what they need.
    Easier as in they fill in less forums??

    Harney in my opinion should be put on trial in a "real" court, for what she done over her career as minister of health. (end rant) :)


  • #8
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    For Reals wrote: »
    It's the little debate, no option, if you don't pay, we'll take it approach.
    I wish it were merely a distraction tactic.
    Saw this earlier...So Denis is the waterboy.

    I mentioned that a few months ago. I believe that is what is known as "Leveraging your natural market". Lowry created an Empire, and he probably only got buttons for his help...luckily, there is no Golden Circle in Ireland, or indeed the world, otherwise, I'd be absolutely cacking it as to what the next few years will bring in terms of financial pillage on the ordinary people of both ireland and the world.

    It really is the better, smarter option to be on Benefits, in Govt owned accomodation and working away in the Black economy, that is looking to be a very safe position currently. The futures bleak for the Coping Classes, IMO.


  • #9
    For Reals
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭For Reals


    I find myself hesitant to ask the million dollar question, 'What do we pay 'tax' for?'
    *open the floodgates for the Joe Duffy references from our right leaning chums*
    Genuinely, if they keep adding fees for services on top of general taxation that's going to be draining and nonsensical enough, but couple that with, 'Hey, buy this or we'll take the price out of your wages anyway', it makes for a financial lead weight around the necks of most people. Are we working to support those who would rather not pay tax at all? No, not those on welfare.


  • #10
    Phill Ewinn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Many aspects to the same agenda. Society is getting screwed in the overall marxist style plan.


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