Political Policing? PSNI soft on Loyalists

guttenberg wrote: »

Absolutely. The man appeared to be resisting arrest so the police used standard procedure to get him restrained. His innocence or guilt can be decided by a court of law, not an angry crowd arguing with the officers. His political/religious/sexual orientation should have no effect on how police deal with him, there is ample videos on Youtube showing non-compliant nationalists being dealt with in the same manner.

+1

What do people expect the police to do when someone is resisting arrest.. say "OK we tried, this guy doesn't want to come so i guess we'll just let him go". Its standard procedure to get someone under control. Happens in police forces around the world.

The loyalists around the guy at the time were just upset and shocked that the police would dare to take off the kid gloves while dealing with an ulster protestant :eek:

junder wrote: »

So should the same thing happen to a nationalist you will completely ok with it. And in responce to your. 'Kid gloves' comment does that mean you do not agree with the statement that the police are 'soft on loyalists'?

Wouldn't bother me if it happened to a nationalist, if someone is resisting arrest they can't expect to be tickled into the handcuffs.

The case against Alan Lundy has been dropped due to no evidence which the psni claimed they had but withheld for months while he was locked up in maghberry.

http://theirishlawanddemocracycommittee.wordpress.com/2012/07/21/the-case-of-alan-lundy/


Here is his statement:



'On 15th July 2012 i was arrested by the PSNI in an early morning raid on my home. This was in relation to a number of scurrilous accusations made by a single PSNI officer regarding my behaviour while acting as a steward at the successful GARC protest march against sectarianism on the 12th July 2012. I was accused by this PSNI officer of throwing a missile at police lines, an accusation that i have vociferously rejected at all times. In addition to this charge, i was also charged with an historical offence, namely attacking a British soldier in 2005 - again on the word of a single PSNI officer, over seven years after the alleged event.

As a result of the actions of these PSNI officers, my home was wrecked during the raids that accompanied my arrest -distressing my partner and two young children. Many personal items were also seized, some with sentimental value, that have still not been returned to me. The main result was that i was on remand for three months in Maghaberry Gaol, taken from my family. During these three months i applied for bail on a number of occasions and this was refused by numerous judges, based on the PSNI's opposition and their supposed "fear of re-offending". At the same time others were granted bail, including a number of loyalists who were released with no attached bail conditions. This was especially galling for my family and friends who had to sit through the bail applications of loyalists with far stronger evidence against them and see bail granted, then watch as my own application was refused. I was eventually granted bail in October 2012 after serving three months, all of which i served on full protest with other Republicans in Roe House.

The 2005 charges were dropped a number of weeks ago, based on lack of evidence. This justified my position that these charges were simply introduced as a "back up" - to ensure that coupled with 2012 charges i would be remanded and taken off the streets by the PSNI. Today all charges in relation to 12th July were dismissed at Belfast Magistrates Court, further vindicating my belief that these were politically motivated charges with a number of sinister objectives on behalf of the PSNI. Firstly, as a Republican Activist from Ardoyne that works hard on a number of campaigns, it was in the interests of a State Militia to remove me from the streets. Doing so, and using the word of one officer as reasonable evidence to do so, demonstrates internment by remand is a strategic policy used by the PSNI and PPS in 2013 Ireland.

Secondly, the GARC mobilisation of 2,500 Ardoyne Residents on 12th July 2012 was seen by the PSNI, and by association the State, as a demonstration by the Ardoyne community that enough was enough when it came to Sectarian Marches through our area. Imprisoning me was to be interpreted as a warning to all those in attendance that if they oppose Loyal Order parades then they too will face accusations and charges. This further demonstrates the one sided nature of Policing with regard to this issue, however the overwhelming support that I and my family have received since this ordeal began has shown that, far from scaring the Ardoyne community, it has made it more determined to oppose these parades and the attempted criminalistaion of residents that accompanies them.

Today the PSNI have been shown for what they are, a corrupt force that is there to protect the state by whatever means necessary - even if it means falsely charging and imprisoning innocent people, simply for their political beliefs. They are no different to their forerunners in the RUC in this regard and as such should continue to be rejected by Republicans and all those who state they are concerned with the protection of fundamental human rights. Those who continue to be apologists and welcome the PSNI into communities such as Ardoyne need to be challenged, but at the same time these people need to look deep inside themselves and ask are they comfortable supporting and promoting a force that has as a policy of selective internment by remand - taking fathers and mothers from their children for prolonged periods of time.It is simply not good enough to say political policing should not affect people only if they still support certain political parties. If they look hard deep enough and be honest with themselves and others, then they will cease lending credence to a police force that is as discredited as the one which they used to oppose'.

Is Mise, Alan Lundy

http://m.u.tv/News/Sabotage-claim-in-Carroll-killers-appeal/5e740041-30f8-4a57-a1cc-4a0a66433c78


The High Court in Belfast has heard a claim that the PSNI attempted to sabotage the appeal of two men convicted of killing one of their officers, Constable Stephen Carroll.

Brendan McConville and John Paul Wooton were found guilty last year of the murder of Constable Carroll, which happened as the officer answered a 999 call in Craigavon in March 2009. But the pair have since launched an appeal against the verdicts, which saw McConville handed a minimum of 25 years in prison and Wooton a minimum of 14 years. The defence now claim a new witness has come forward who alleges the key prosecution witness in the original trial is a compulsive liar and a 'Walter Mitty' character. There is such a high level of uncertainty as to the factual circumstances surrounding the position that we are faced with having no alternative but to adjourn this appeal. Lord Chief Justice Sir Declan Morgan With supporters of McConville and Wooton in the packed public gallery, a few feet from Constable Carroll's widow Kate, a defence QC further told the court that their new witness had been arrested by police last Thursday and held for two days. Senior judges were further told that the officers forced their way into the home of the witness and warned him that he would be discredited if he went to court. The lawyer claimed that this was an attempt by the police to sabotage the appeal by McConville, 41 and from Tullygally in Craigavon, and Wooton, 22 and from Collingdale in Lurgan. The defence confirmed that they are to lodge a complaint with the Police Ombudsman, while letters will also be sent to the Public Prosecution Service and the Law Society. The appeal has now been adjourned until October.

So the 2nd man who was put in jail for the soldiers killings has been found not guilty.

That makes the 2 who were jailed for the last few years, innocent, surely the integrity of the psni has to be questioned now.

getzls wrote: »

For supporters of soldier killers maybe.

Dosen't mean he didn't do it.

Well it does seems he was found not guilty. Do we just excuse sentences now and say someone is guilty even though they have been found not guilty in court?

What's the point in a justice system.

LordSutch wrote: »

I heard that Shivers DNA was found on matches near the burnt-out getaway car!

Is that true?

I think the DNA was shown to be unreliable, the technique used is so inaccurate it is not allowed be used as evidence worldwide, and the scientist who tries to sell it, was the only one in court swearing by it.
Why don't you read up on it, its a simple google.