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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Hi All,

    Just wanted to share something that I am working on at the moment . .

    I have been on this thread at different times over the years and have been able to harness a life I could never of imagined . . I no longer need or use Sleeping tablets, Anti depressants, Zanex or alcohol in any form. . There was a time in my life when I was scared of the thought of these things not being available to help me get through my life!

    I engaged in CBT , changed doctors and have worked really hard at changing my thought patterns and bad habits. That is what a lot of my problem was, my thinking process (and reading posts here, its clear that there are similar people on this thread).

    One of the most important things I am told, was that I surrendered to the fact that I didn't know how to live my life and that by continuing to rely on my thinking, I would struggle to get well. Now I don't mean "Ok so my thinking is my problem therefore I am useless and its my own fault", this in fact was one of the thinking excercises that I used to engage in (critical self destructive attacks on myself).

    By "my thinking" I meant how my thought process worked. . In most scenarios I automatically assumed the worst of myself ("I will probobley fail at this", "I am not good enough for that" etc). It was a vicious negative cycle and when I didn't know how to "get rid of the thoughts" or feel better, I would beat myself up further.

    I was relying on a sick/unwell mind to help me find the solution. It was akin to trying to learn to play soccer with a broken foot.

    Anyways, I have told my story on this forum, but right now I find that life opportunities (knowledge) are frequently in front of me. Where I used to see only negative things and dread the future, I now find myself more enlightened and optimistic about life. In many regards, one of my big problems was that I was focused on things outside of me to pick me up and give me some sense of peace/happiness. Family, friends, my relationships, money, job satisfaction, my partner, my children, my medication. These were originally all integral to how I felt. Now they are more things that compliment my life, as opposed to controlling my life.

    Its taken me over 3 years (3 decades if I want to be specific) of intense therapy and reflection to help me get here. The most important factor was not money or support, it was actually me surrendering. I surrendered to a different way of living. I didn't question this new way of living if it didn't work all the time, I persisted with it and when I was feeling down or low I would use these tools to help me back on an even keel. I accepted that in life there are ups and downs and eventually I learned to deal with them.

    A couple of weeks ago I had another huge down moment where I felt so low and depressed. After a couple of days I realised that while I felt depseratley low, I actually didn't feel lonely. Its the first time in my life I can remember not feeling lonely while feeling like that . .

    in the past I used to give up on a technique or suggestion (meditation, exercise etc) if it didn't work once or twice, but the key is persistence, trust and support. Persistance in that I didn't expect the same positive results every time so I didn't give up when it inevitably didn't work at different times. Trust in that I trusted the system/techniques and didn't question them, I had resigned myself to the fact that I didn't know any better so putting my trust in these techniques actually felt like it took some pressure off me having to have all the answers to my problem. Support was vital but I found support in the most unexpected places from friends/family that I wouldn't of dreamed would support me. Some have let me down and others have just been amazing.

    I had prevented myself from getting any support from anybody in fear that I would bore people, embarrass myself or drive them away. This prevented me from actually having meaningful , real relationships with them because a relationship with anybody that's born out of fear is at best not very healthy. In short, I now have a support network (friends, family, medical, support groups) of real people who really care about me and want to be a part of my new life and its only a small part of my rehabilitation.

    This hasn't been easy and its not been a straight line of recovery/enlightenment. Its easy to read stuff here and think people found the truth/solution in a book and it all just worked out for them, well that didn't happen to me. I have had moments when I thought there wasn't any more reason to live. .

    Part of the process was taking me outside of myself. I hope to be speaking in childrens schools soon about certain aspects of depression from my own childhood. I also hope to be meeting up with other disadvantaged people in the new year. Its not because I am all of a sudden some perfect person, but I find sharing my story helps me feel like its no longer a secret. I am actually also speaking to the inner child in me. The one who was so scared growing up, who felt alone and that nobody protected him.

    Anyways, the following is a link to a book I have just started, its called "homecoming". It was referred onto me by my acupuncturist. Its amazing that I have learned to open up to select people (very careful about who!) and the rewards that come with it. We had a great in depth, meaningful discussion about dysfunctional families and depression etc and through that I now read this book which after a few pages I found myself engrossed with . .

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Coming-Reclaiming-Championing-Inner/dp/0749910542

    For a flavour, click on the following link and follow it onto part 2,3 etc if you like it. Just listen to the man talk. There is ways of changing your thinking and healing how broken you feel. I have only read a few pages of the attached book and feel a bit better . .

    http://youtu.be/QPRMaWHdIgA

    Last night after reading 30 pages of the book, I said something to my wife that I have never said to her. I said I was looking forward to a holiday she has booked (mainly for the children), she nearly fell off the couch. Such a simple thing, but I usually prefer not to look forward to anything, its a bad habit I got into. .

    I am not saying that this book will change your life. For me, it was suggested to me at the right time and I have made certain progress that may mean I might get more out of it then others. I just wanted to share it with the good folks fighting the good fight here . .

    Well, when I stopped fighting myself, my thoughts and started to work on CBT techniques with complete trust, I started to see light that now engulfs my life . . I hope this helps somebody . .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13 Paperduel


    Esel wrote: »
    Meditation is good and very helpful.

    Not sure how realistic a goal it is to be in that state most of the time though?

    Are you thinking more of a mindfulness state?

    Mindfulness is the same as meditation as far as I'm aware.

    You can be in that state all the time.Mindfulness is not the best name for it as it indicates your mind should be full of thoughts, when in fact you should try and remove unnecessary thoughts from your mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,505 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Paperduel wrote: »
    Mindfulness is the same as meditation as far as I'm aware.

    You can be in that state all the time.Mindfulness is not the best name for it as it indicates your mind should be full of thoughts, when in fact you should try and remove unnecessary thoughts from your mind.
    They are not the same, though.

    Mindfulness does not mean what you think it does. Basically, it means being aware of the present. Being mindful, if you will.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    I would like to say thanks to Timmyctc for info posted last night.

    All my posts and replies have some how been deleted,as it seem to happen a lot here but I took a capture so I would not miss the info.

    I understand you don't want people getting destressed but us who ask a difficult Q should not be deleted and banned.

    My Q was how to get scars off and Timmy posted was Bio oil which looks good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    I would like to say thanks to Timmyctc for info posted last night.

    All my posts and replies have some how been deleted,as it seem to happen a lot here but I took a capture so I would not miss the info.

    I understand you don't want people getting destressed but us who ask a difficult Q should not be deleted and banned.

    My Q was how to get scars off and Timmy posted was Bio oil which looks good.
    Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept the scars instead of willing them to fade.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    Sometimes the best thing to do is to accept the scars instead of willing them to fade.

    Such is life but will others accept them and not judge you.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Truthfully, some will and some wont :) are they obvious ones?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    Truthfully, some will and some wont :) are they obvious ones?


    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Yes.

    If you can't blame it on a cat scratching you or a fence accident then maybe try the bio oil :)
    Just ask yourself: are those that judge even worth a space in your life? A few marks on skin isn't the end of the world


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    I just came here tonight to Thank Timmyctc and will try Bio oil.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    If you can't blame it on a cat scratching you or a fence accident then maybe try the bio oil :)
    Just ask yourself: are those that judge even worth a space in your life? A few marks on skin isn't the end of the world


    It's to do with a job I hope to get but you would need to own a tiger to get these scars.

    I would not blame anyone if they seen it and thought "I don't need to be working with someone that might go all out killing people".?

    Other than that I don't care as I don't have friends or people that would see them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭lukesmom


    How is everybody today???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    lukesmom wrote: »
    How is everybody today???

    Good. And you?

    I'm now down to the 7.5mg of my cymbalta with guidance from a psychiatrist as of yesterday. Feeling a little irritable at times, but generally fine. Going to give it a few weeks on this and then come off. I've been told I'll have a few days side effects regardless of how small a dose I'm coming off. So I dunno, may have to book a day off work after a weekend for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭lukesmom


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    Good. And you?

    Not too bad have had anxiety the past 4 or 5 days but I'm getting through if by just accepting it's there and it will pass .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    Good. And you?

    I'm now down to the 7.5mg of my cymbalta with guidance from a psychiatrist as of yesterday. Feeling a little irritable at times, but generally fine. Going to give it a few weeks on this and then come off. I've been told I'll have a few days side effects regardless of how small a dose I'm coming off. So I dunno, may have to book a day off work after a weekend for that.

    You can at most take a long weekend off work for the withdrawl? In that case if your cessation timeline mirrored my own then it would get worse everyday for about 7 days peaking at day 7 and then dropping off over the following 7 days. So I'd time your cessation such that the long weekend from work was in the middle of that 2 week period. ie. Take last 7.5mg dose on a Sun/Mon. You'd hit peak Zaps the following Sat/Sun and hopefully by the time you were back to work on the following Tuesday the zaps would be back manageable during work on their downward trend as you went through that work week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    Thanks, I'll take it into account when I plan on coming off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭stop animal cruelty


    Hey guys any advice on how to get thru the dark mornings & evenings?? Beginning to feel winter set in already, dreading all the dullness and darkness to come :( does this effect anyone else?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Hey guys any advice on how to get thru the dark mornings & evenings?? Beginning to feel winter set in already, dreading all the dullness and darkness to come :( does this effect anyone else?

    seasonal affective disorder coupled with the ending of summer. Hits me, but i enjoy the night and the stars. puts life in perspective


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    Hey guys any advice on how to get thru the dark mornings & evenings?? Beginning to feel winter set in already, dreading all the dullness and darkness to come :( does this effect anyone else?

    I think there is a lamp you can get that compensates for lack of day light, Well I'm sure there is but I can't afford it.
    I believe it uses much electric as well but if you have the money I would go for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,505 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    SAD lights have come a long way. They used to be called light boxes (you can still get these) - they are used during the daytime.

    You can now get a timed SAD light, which you use in the bedroom and set to the time you want to wake up. Before that time, it slowly brightens up, so that it is at maximum brightness a while before the time you have set. The theory is that it mimics the sunrise.

    Running costs for either type are very low.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 252 ✭✭GuessWhoEh


    As someone who suffers with mild depression, the worst question is to be asked "what have you to be depressed about?" I can't stand when people ask me that question and why I feel depressed. If I knew that then I would be avoiding the build up to the depression. I don't think people really understand what it is these days and there is a slight stigma to being depressed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    GuessWhoEh wrote: »
    As someone who suffers with mild depression, the worst question is to be asked "what have you to be depressed about?" I can't stand when people ask me that question and why I feel depressed. If I knew that then I would be avoiding the build up to the depression. I don't think people really understand what it is these days and there is a slight stigma to being depressed.


    The thing is people think depression=sad.

    So they think what do you to be sad about.

    I remember about 15 your ago my youngest brother said to me while I was busy (I was always busy) " I think I have depression".
    I said to him "I wish I had time to be depressed".

    He is passed away some years ago and I wish I know at the time just to stop and talk to him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Hotfail.com


    GuessWhoEh wrote: »
    As someone who suffers with mild depression, the worst question is to be asked "what have you to be depressed about?" I can't stand when people ask me that question and why I feel depressed. If I knew that then I would be avoiding the build up to the depression. I don't think people really understand what it is these days and there is a slight stigma to being depressed.

    I think the term "depression" can be very misleading.

    People can feel "depressed" when something bad happens, but that doesn't mean they have depression. It still isn't clear to a lot of people that there's a difference between the two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,505 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    I think the term "depression" can be very misleading.

    People can feel "depressed" when something bad happens, but that doesn't mean they have depression. It still isn't clear to a lot of people that there's a difference between the two.
    Yeah, I know what you mean.

    Sometimes it can help to be more specific i.e. say you suffer from 'clinical depression' or 'major depressive disorder' or whatever the actual diagnosis may be.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 252 ✭✭GuessWhoEh


    Esel wrote: »
    Yeah, I know what you mean.

    Sometimes it can help to be more specific i.e. say you suffer from 'clinical depression' or 'major depressive disorder' or whatever the actual diagnosis may be.


    My doctor actually diagnosed me as "mild" depression. He said I had the signs for depression but he didn't deem them as too worrying. He prescribed me Xanax which I refuse to take. He also gave me a really low dosage of Lexapro which made me feel worst. I know you're supposed to take them for a while before they take affect but I was taking them for a month straight and the only effect I felt was worst than I already was so I stopped taking them. Currently I'm taking nothing and trying to spend my days outside rather than stuck inside. Seems to work a little. I know I should really talk to someone but I can't seem to find counsellors in my area. I emailed a councelling place near me a few weeks ago and they never bothered replying back to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,505 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    GuessWhoEh wrote: »
    My doctor actually diagnosed me as "mild" depression. He said I had the signs for depression but he didn't deem them as too worrying. He prescribed me Xanax which I refuse to take. He also gave me a really low dosage of Lexapro which made me feel worst. I know you're supposed to take them for a while before they take affect but I was taking them for a month straight and the only effect I felt was worst than I already was so I stopped taking them. Currently I'm taking nothing and trying to spend my days outside rather than stuck inside. Seems to work a little. I know I should really talk to someone but I can't seem to find counsellors in my area. I emailed a councelling place near me a few weeks ago and they never bothered replying back to me.
    The thing with AD medication is that it often has to be taken for at least eight and often twelve weeks before an improvement of mood is noticed. I agree with you on Xanax - unless it was prescribed for occasional use only. Might be a good idea to talk to your doctor again?

    Also, sometimes e-mail fails to elicit a reply (for many, sometimes technical, reasons).
    Ringing them might be a good idea.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    What's helped me a lot (besides medication) is trying to be in some way productive each day. Three hours is the sweet spot for me at the moment. As long as I can get three hours work done, it keeps the serious lows at bay, and I can be functional. If I take a day off, I'm screwed and feel rotten the next day.

    Obviously, being productive with depression can be extremely difficult. My friend helped me out with this, put me on to the so-called pomodoro method. You only work for 25 minutes and then take a break. Combine this with an approach that breaks big tasks down into little ones, and it can be very effective.

    For example, instead of thinking I have to write this big paper, which is a mountain of a thing to climb... I think: I'm going to write for 25 minutes, and whatever happens during that 25 minutes, however much I get written, that's ok. Important to get up and move around on a break, and not sit there checking emails or the internet. Gotta get away, look at the sky or make tea or something. For other jobs it's enough to just break it down a bit. I was doing some painting during the summer, so instead of thinking I've to paint this whole sitting room and ceiling, I thought: I'm going to paint this one little section, and see how that goes. Section by section and before I knew it the whole room was done.

    Making hills out of mountains has really helped. Sometimes the size of a task puts me off even starting, so making things smaller helps to start them and get them done. It's kind of removing the perceived importance or magnitude of things. I'm not sitting there on a Sunday dreading a full week of commuting and work, it's literally taking it a day at a time. I'm going in today and we'll see how it goes. It can be really difficult changing mental habits, but I found the more things I broke down into little tasks, the easier it got to be productive even though I don't feel good.

    But I also found that if I spend my off time being passive, like watching TV or a movie or playing a video game, I very quickly get worse. I have to move to around, even just standing instead of sitting during some activities has really helped.

    None of this means each day isn't still a struggle, start to finish, but it's a little easier to be functional. And that makes you feel like less of a waste of space, which is great. I can have days of not feeling good but without the normal associated self-esteem issues. So, big mountain tasks into little hill tasks. Helps me anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    Such is life but will others accept them and not judge you.?

    My arms are covered in scars.

    Words and such too.


    I find when I go around in short sleeves, I get a few stares but that's about it.

    I've never had anyone bring them up. I've talked to people and they glance the odd time but continue with the conversation.
    They draw the eye so I understand that.

    I haven't felt judged over them, and I haven't felt like people have treated me differently either.

    Tbh, it's important for you to see them as what they are. "battle scars", they are a (negative) coping mechanism, hopefully it's something you've dealt with and can say "I've made it through". Don't be ashamed of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    It's to do with a job I hope to get but you would need to own a tiger to get these scars.

    I would not blame anyone if they seen it and thought "I don't need to be working with someone that might go all out killing people".?

    Other than that I don't care as I don't have friends or people that would see them.

    I should've read more comments before posting.

    Most people don't connect self-harm with "going to kill people", the connection is more with suicide risk. (although often incorrect too.)

    However, for some jobs, long sleeves might be the best option. Or go with short sleeves in the interview, you'll be able to tell there and then if they'll judge you on it. For me, it has largely depended on the type of job.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    Can't stop feckin crying with this withdrawal


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    Can't stop feckin crying with this withdrawal
    Maybe you should stop trying to stop.... I've found that when I try to bottle things up, they quite naturally become explosive. That's what bombs are, just bottled up (chemical) reactions.

    Also, zoom out and see the bigger picture. Maybe you are a bit over emotional now but you know you are on a path and that path is going the right way so just glide through this rough patch and have faith you are heading the right direction.
    You don't see planes turn back because of some turbulence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    DeVore wrote: »
    Maybe you should stop trying to stop.... I've found that when I try to bottle things up, they quite naturally become explosive. That's what bombs are, just bottled up (chemical) reactions.

    Also, zoom out and see the bigger picture. Maybe you are a bit over emotional now but you know you are on a path and that path is going the right way so just glide through this rough patch and have faith you are heading the right direction.
    You don't see planes turn back because of some turbulence.

    I really love that analogy. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    Lovely post and all Dev but crying at work is not really as acceptable as we'd like :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I've often considered a SAD light but sort of remained sceptical about them.
    Do people that have them tend to think they generally improve their mood in the mornings?


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    Lovely post and all Dev but crying at work is not really as acceptable as we'd like :)
    Aaah, yeah, I can see how that might be tricky. :)


    More seriously, there is nothing wrong with taking time off if you just aren't able to function. I dunno your situation but your boss might be approachable or failing that, pull a sicky... its not like you were on the batter or anything, you have a valid reason not to be in work!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    DeVore wrote: »
    Aaah, yeah, I can see how that might be tricky. :)


    More seriously, there is nothing wrong with taking time off if you just aren't able to function. I dunno your situation but your boss might be approachable or failing that, pull a sicky... its not like you were on the batter or anything, you have a valid reason not to be in work!

    My bosses are great, and would practically shove me out the door if they thought that's what I needed. They weren't there for my meltdown earlier, and hopefully they won't find out. I have a trip away coming up and have loads of time booked for that, and so besides having a ton of work to get sorted before then, it wouldn't make it any easier. The ton of work will still be there after my sick days . I have to learn to ask for help. Hard to do. Especially when I'm not patient and it'd mean having to explain the work and how to do it.

    Anyway, sleep is what I need! Didn't get enough. Going to my boyfriend for takeaway and going to get a good sleep after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Gongoozler wrote: »
    Can't stop feckin crying with this withdrawal

    I had that too and it is quite common.

    http://www.cymbaltawithdrawal.com/topic/7528-cymbalta-weeping/

    We become over/hyper sensitive. For me, I found that the bout of weepiness would often go as quickly as it came. Not always but most of the time. I'd know in the midst of it, which it was though, so could tell a family member that might have triggered it not to worry, that they hadn't truely upset me, that it was just a withdrawl bout of tears etc

    Personally I find that as long as I know that what I am going through is normal and/or common I tend not to stress or worry as much over it.

    Sounds like you are still on track with your withdrawl and tapering. You are doing great all things considered. You'll be through it in a few more weeks. Theres some that find it so bad they micro-taper over the course of 6 months and more. We are lucky in that we could tolerate a much quicker taper. Yeah, we might have slightly stronger zaps and a few more bouts of withdrawl weepiness but we'll have it over and done with a lot sooner.

    Keep the Faith and Good Luck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭Gongoozler


    Thanks C.

    Thing is I'm only around people when I'm at work. Have ended up telling some about the situation, and they've been good. I know right in the middle of it that it's nothing, it is impossible to stop myself though.

    Hoping to go off completely after my upcoming trip. Will report back. Really hoping there's no zaps, or at least that they're not too harsh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 Paddy 12345


    I should've read more comments before posting.

    Most people don't connect self-harm with "going to kill people", the connection is more with suicide risk. (although often incorrect too.)

    However, for some jobs, long sleeves might be the best option. Or go with short sleeves in the interview, you'll be able to tell there and then if they'll judge you on it. For me, it has largely depended on the type of job.

    Thanks,much of what I post might not make sense.

    And I'm not even on med's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22 Mismatch


    So I told my sister that I suffered from depression last night. First family member I've told.

    After exclaiming 'but... you have so much!' she proceeded to tell me 'I'm sooo happy. So I feel sorry for anyone who isn't as happy as me'. I made some futile attempts to explain that my problem was a bit broader than an absence of happiness. She then got a bit agitated and asked 'have you looked at your diet? Because you do eat a lot of crap.' Now, I eat a balanced diet, but have apparently committed the sin of continuing to include some carbs, dairy, meat and chocolate. Only her vegan diet is acceptable in her eyes.

    Thus ended our conversation. I just had to laugh (else I might cry :p)


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Mismatch wrote: »
    So I told my sister that I suffered from depression last night. First family member I've told.

    After exclaiming 'but... you have so much!' she proceeded to tell me 'I'm sooo happy. So I feel sorry for anyone who isn't as happy as me'. I made some futile attempts to explain that my problem was a bit broader than an absence of happiness. She then got a bit agitated and asked 'have you looked at your diet? Because you do eat a lot of crap.' Now, I eat a balanced diet, but have apparently committed the sin of continuing to include some carbs, dairy, meat and chocolate. Only her vegan diet is acceptable in her eyes.

    Thus ended our conversation. I just had to laugh (else I might cry :p)

    Take the important bits from this, one you actually told someone, i can't tell you how huge that is, really, it's so difficult for some, can be such a hurdle, be proud of that.. Two, her reaction isn't that unusual, people often equate depression with sadness which is a limited kind of view.. Her secondary reaction of diet etc could just be a defensive take, hoping she can bring you back to "normal" without needing tablets, therapy etc. Leave her some online info perhaps she may read..

    Once again well done..


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Take the important bits from this, one you actually told someone, i can't tell you how huge that is, really, it's so difficult for some, can be such a hurdle, be proud of that.. Two, her reaction isn't that unusual, people often equate depression with sadness which is a limited kind of view.. Her secondary reaction of diet etc could just be a defensive take, hoping she can bring you back to "normal" without needing tablets, therapy etc. Leave her some online info perhaps she may read..

    Once again well done..
    I had a sub-venal semi-occusion of the retina once. Basically a stroke in my eyeball.

    My dad came to see me in the hospital and put his jumper around my shoulders! At the time I was hurting and thought to myself "jesus Christ I have a blood disorder in my EYE, I'm not fncking *COLD*" but now I look back on it with warmth. My father loves me more than anything and he had no idea what was wrong with me and was probably just as scared as I was. That was all he could think to do... so he did that.

    You're sister loves you and wants to help you. She hasn't a pig's ear what to do with the information you gave her, she's probably a bit freaked. But she is trying to put her jumper around your shoulders. She doesn't know what else to do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Lucifer MorningStar


    Feeling pretty **** atm, I see no future for myself and I can't see things getting any better. Iv'e tried but i don't see my life improving and I really feel like ending it...


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    You really need to go to talk to someone... right now ideally. Please believe me that in a few days and certainly with a some simple counselling that feeling will pass. Its a lie and everyone here can tell you we've all felt that way at some stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Feeling pretty **** atm, I see no future for myself and I can't see things getting any better. Iv'e tried but i don't see my life improving and I really feel like ending it...

    I am sorry to read this. I hate reading things from people who are in the throngs of horrible downs that I completely relate to. I didn't respond last night because I just didn't know what to say. Devore has already suggested the most important thing for you to consider, reach out to somebody.

    The one thing I used to feel was that if I didn't have any solution to my problems, nobody could help or nobody else wanted to help. I was embarrassed and scared to reach out for help. I feared rejection and more disappointment then I could already take in my life at the time.

    The key change for me was when I finally started to do small things for myself. Small changes in my life, including going to an aware meeting, have led me to a life I wouldn't of believed just over 2 years ago. I am 36 years of age and have had an extremely unhappy, lonely life. Not because I didn't have good friends or family (I am married with 3 children), not because I don't have a decent job (I work for myself and do quite well) but because there was something fundamentally unwell inside of me (a cancer) that I simply could not fix on my own. .

    I use the word cancer because I find its easier to understand this concept for most people. If I have a great job, a great family and great friends, some people would say I should consider myself lucky and I should be happy and thankful for what I have. If I was this person with all these things, but I had cancer, people would be more understanding about why I might feel down. But mental sickness/illness is a form of cancer to me. It eats away at how I view myself and how I view the world.

    I found that reaching out really helped. Sometimes I looked for help from people who simply didn't know how to guide me. "Pull yourself together" or "sure what have you got to be upset about?!" knocked me back and made me want to get support even less. . .

    But, once I started to look for help in the right places things changed. It was important for me to feel comfortable and to trust the people I was sharing my feelings with. This didn't come quickly or easy. . Oddly enough, you are doing exactly what I did on the start of my recovery. You are posting your feelings here, but to be honest I wasn't brave or aware enough at the time to post how truly awful I felt or if I was suicidal. I was still a bit scared of being judged or put down for being so dramatic. For that, I applaud your courage. But I must also stress that it says to me that you do want help, you do want to feel better and that you are reaching out for help. You have already started the process of trying to improve your life. Consider allowing this idea to help you feel something positive about yourself. You have taken action to improve how I feel about the world. You have reached out here and shared how you feel. I learned, after sometime, to take some comfort from feeling like I was doing something by trying to enjoy or at least recognise even small victories like your post.

    I tried an aware meeting, I went to group CBT meetings and changed doctors (as I felt my existing doctor didn't suit me). . This didn't happen over night, it took some time, but it all started with very small simple changes in my approach to how I felt. But one of the biggest changes was that I was being guided by a professional. Not a friend , not a family member, a person who didn't know me, didn't pre judge me and whose job was to help support people like myself.

    I like to think of it like when I was feeling really low, it was like being stuck down a deep dark hole. I may only have a friend with a rope to help me up or there might be the opportunity to get professionals to make sure its done right (fireman). When I was Down the hole I was scared, anxious, lonely and felt like I could only go further down or at best sideways, but never up.

    If you think about it, in that scenario if somebody could throw me down a rope and help pull me up, it would certainly be easier then continuing on my own and getting nowhere. . I think of help from friends and family like a rope being dropped down the hole, they want to help but they might not have the strength to pull me up. A more professional outfit used to dealing with people stuck in holes (like fire brigade), I have a much better chance of getting out of the hole in a safer way.

    Reaching out for help was extremely difficult for me. I didn't trust anybody else and I actually didn't trust that anything else would work. I thought I was a hopeless case and any help I look for would only be at best wasting peoples time.

    Please reach out to somebody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,505 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Call the Samaritans on 116123 or e-mail jo@samaritans.org

    or the Suicide Helpline 1800247100

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    So many times I type out a long post here and delete it instead of posting, like now again for example. How could anyone understand what's going on in my head when I don't even know. I think I really need to get away from everyone. It's 12 years now since I started dying inside so it doesn't really inspire much hope really. I can't drink tonight but I really, really need to get out of my head.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,484 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    So many times I type out a long post here and delete it instead of posting, like now again for example. How could anyone understand what's going on in my head when I don't even know. I think I really need to get away from everyone. It's 12 years now since I started dying inside so it doesn't really inspire much hope really. I can't drink tonight but I really, really need to get out of my head.

    I ask myself that a lot. If I can't explain it, how can it be helped.. I reckon my confusion makes me unable to clarify stuff. That's where letting it spill out works for me, I post sometimes and it's proper gibberish, but it gives me space in my head to try make some sense at times.

    Pm if you want, here all night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 Eugene Victor Tooms


    Hi guys,

    This is my first post here and it could be a long one, so I apologise straight away!

    I'm not sure how to start. For quite a long time now, I've really been feeling down about myself. I can tell you right away the root cause of this. My Dad committed suicide when I was 18 (I'm 31 now...eek!). We were very close up until the last few month's of his life. We'd always go to GAA games together and travelled quite a bit to England to watch the team he got me into supporting. Long story short, my Dad was not a good businessman. He got into financial trouble but told nobody in the family. We watched him wasting away the last few months before he hung himself and I couldn't understand why. He'd sit in front of the TV all day, visibly shaking, getting thinner and just becoming a shell of a man. About two days before he killed himself, the proverbial hit the fan and my brother and sister who are (were) 14 and 10 years older than me found out about how much debt he was in. My father had asked them to be directors in his company and he had forged cheques in their name. I saw my brother physically throw my Dad out of his house the night before it happened. I remember his coming back to our house next door and sitting in his usual place in the kitchen and he asked me what I was cooking. My last word to my father was "pasta". I left the kitchen and never saw him again.

    In 2007, my girlfriend of over four years left me when I was 24 for her housemate who I suspected she had feelings for for about a year. More on this later.

    In 2010, my sister, who I loved more than anything in the world, was diagnosed with colon cancer, which in itself is one of the more treatable cancers. She'd been complaining about stomach cramps and the sensation she had to go to the toilet for months. Her doctor dismissed it as a lack of fibre in her diet, then said it could be IBS, then said it could be Crohn's. By the time my sister had a colonoscopy the polyps on the colon had turned cancerous. By the time the cancer was diagnosed it had metastasized to her liver and she was told she had months to live. She lived for a year and a half and died on 25th of April 2012, three days after her 39th birthday. My sister was, and always will be, the most amazing person I have ever met. She was the most beautiful and gentle soul and everyone adored her. We were so so close and it killed me to see this thing eat at her from the inside out; not just physically but mentally as well. She became so bitter in her last few months and was understandably not the person I knew. I know my sister worshipped me as well. The night before she died, her kidneys had failed and by the time I had got to Limerick from Dublin (where I work) she was completely out of it on morphine and we knew it was hours and not days we had with her. But that night, she suddenly woke when her boyfriend and my Mam were alone in the room with her and tried to get up to go to the toilet. Mam and her boyfriend had to walk her completely skeletal frame to the bathroom as she wasn't lucid. When she was coming back she saw me and she smiled and tried to say something. It was so strange. The next morning, was also strange. Her boyfriend rang me and told me to come downstairs, he knew this was it. She was lying there and she was just hanging on and all you could hear was that death rattle when she was trying to breathe. I stood there for five minutes looking at her. Her boyfriend said kiss her goodbye, and as soon as I did she let go. It was like she waited. I know its a coincidence but I'd like to think it wasn't. (Man, I'm in bits typing this).

    Six months before my sister died, my new girlfriend of two years left me.

    Now, here's where all sympathy for me ends. The reason my two girlfriends left me is because I'm a cheat. I've no idea why I do it. I did it on my first girlfriend so many times I lost count. In the four years we went out, I'd say maybe 15-20 times (I was caught once). Of course when she left me, my heart was broken but deep down I completely knew I deserved it. My second girlfriend heard about me f*cking another girl through a friend. This girl I cheated on her with was not a looker. Both girlfriend were/are absolutely beautiful and worshipped me. I don't understand why I do it.

    I've stolen from my mother, who worked her ass off to put me through college as a single parent after Dad died. Not a large amount but it makes me sick that I'd even contemplate this. I can't explain who good a mother she is. She lost a son the year before I was born, buried her husband and then her only daughter. She's on her own most of the time now as I'm in Dublin and my brother emigrated. I don't know how she gets up in the morning.

    All this said, I'm not a bad person either. I do as much as I can to help my friends, of which I have a lot of . Unfortunately, most are back in Limerick. In Dublin, I have friends but not as many and a lot of the time, like now, on a Saturday night, I feel quite isolated and lonely. In general, I'm friendly, polite and generous. I can be slightly shy until people get to know me.

    I'm working a job that I used to love but for different reasons, I've come to hate it this year and I've literally spent all day doing up my CV so I've taken the first steps to rectifying that situation. I was off the last two weeks and spent the most of it at home with Mom so she'd have company. Was at the Picnic last week and was due back in work on Weds. Went in for the day but was miserable. Wednesday night, I didn't sleep a wink. All I could think about was how much I don't want to go back to work in the morning. Went into work that morning but couldn't face the full day and made up a bull**** excuse that my mom was in hospital (WHY THE **** WOULD I DO THAT?!).

    Finally, I've met a new girl. First girl in ages that I really really like. We've met up a good few times and we finally "sealed the deal" last Monday night. The sex was great. Then last night she asked me up to her place. I knew we were going to have sex again and out so much pressure on myself I could barely get it up, which led to so much embarrassment on my behalf. She's still texting me now so she's still into me but I'm bricking it about messing it up. I really am tired of being on my own. I miss waking up beside someone, watching DVDs and just goofing around. Who do I have to blame for that? Mé f*cking féin.

    In general, I've no confidence in myself. Negative thoughts invade my life constantly. I'm apparently a very good looking guy but walking up to a girl in a bar terrifies me and all I think about is how I'm going to get rejected. I constantly put myself down and take things very personally. I stopped playing soccer years ago because I was afraid of being criticised. I know I used to be very good and had good thing going at a very decent level but all of a sudden just stopped because I'm basically afraid of other people thinking I might be terrible. It's so so stupid but this negativity is so debilitating. It affects me in all walks of life.

    I've started looking at psychologists and CB therapists. I need help and soon. I know I do. I want to go back playing soccer and am going to force myself to do so. I'd like to be confident like I used to be years ago. Not cocky or arrogant, just confident and comfortable in my own skin.

    I'm sorry about the long post. It's been kinda therapeutic though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,505 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Thanks for that post, man. I know it took a lot.

    Seems to me you have good plans to improve your life. Do go ahead and get professional help. The plan to get back into soccer is good too - especially if you are as good as you said! :)

    Not your ornery onager



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