Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

Dub13 · 03-05-2012 12:57pm

That was one expensive picture over hicks fireplace.

Kess73 · 03-05-2012 1:00pm

El Spearo wrote: »

it is non-nonsensical to be sending him off to lower level reserves to say the least. Can only hope Blackpool have broken a promise of first team football to the club!

Regarding the losses reported...

How the hell does a stadium cost 35 million without a brick being laid!

Oh there are ways.

Look at the regeneration programme in Limerick. Over 100 million spent and no new houses built yet.

Or the Opera centre in Limerick which has cost something like €112 million overall and the old buildings have not ebven been knocked.

H & G are most likely from the same school of business as Limerick CC or he Limerick regen authorities.

Kess73 · 03-05-2012 1:01pm

Dub13 wrote: »

That was one expensive picture over hicks fireplace.

I would have gotten out the crayola and knocked him up a picture for half the price.

Granted the drawing might be a little rude towards him, but it would be a Kess original.

Hannibal · 03-05-2012 1:21pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Shelvey, Wilson, and Jova were Rafa's last signings. Both had signed in advance to join the club at the end of the 09/10 season.

Wilson was a Hodgson signing was he not? I know we were linked with him while Rafa was there but the deal was constructed and signed after Rafa had left, the website in the link although not official is usually spot on.

http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/22-1

everdead.ie · 03-05-2012 1:36pm

@andersred believes the underlying Liverpool loss could be a lot bigger close to 35m but was offset by the 41m profit made on Torres.

I would recommend people follow him to get an idea of what's going on after the accounts are officially released tomorrow.

whatawaster · 03-05-2012 1:46pm

everdead.ie wrote: »

@andersred believes the underlying Liverpool loss could be a lot bigger close to 35m but was offset by the 41m profit made on Torres.

I would recommend people follow him to get an idea of what's going on after the accounts are officially released tomorrow.

What about the loss made on Carroll? How is that not the same as the profit made on Torres?

everdead.ie · 03-05-2012 1:51pm

whatawaster wrote: »

everdead.ie wrote: »

@andersred believes the underlying Liverpool loss could be a lot bigger close to 35m but was offset by the 41m profit made on Torres.

I would recommend people follow him to get an idea of what's going on after the accounts are officially released tomorrow.

What about the loss made on Carroll? How is that not the same as the profit made on Torres?

I'm not but he explained it on his twitter timeline to someone else it's to do with some accountancy rules possibly because Carroll becomes an asset on the books?
This is the tweet maybe someone with a better accountancy background can explain it

"@andersred: @vdysvik It's accounting profit versus amortised book cost. Purchases irrelevant, only sales. FRS10 under UK GAAP!"

K-9 · 03-05-2012 1:55pm

everdead.ie wrote: »

@andersred believes the underlying Liverpool loss could be a lot bigger close to 35m but was offset by the 41m profit made on Torres.

I would recommend people follow him to get an idea of what's going on after the accounts are officially released tomorrow.

He's usually pretty good, swissamble I think the name is too.Might actually visit twitter to see! Between Hodgson, the stadium, selling deadwood, poor value for money on signings, not great reading.

everdead.ie · 03-05-2012 1:57pm

K-9 wrote: »

everdead.ie wrote: »

@andersred believes the underlying Liverpool loss could be a lot bigger close to 35m but was offset by the 41m profit made on Torres.

I would recommend people follow him to get an idea of what's going on after the accounts are officially released tomorrow.

He's usually pretty good, swissamble I think the name is too.Might actually visit twitter to see! Between Hodgson, the stadium, selling deadwood, poor value for money on signings, not great reading.

Swssamble is also very good both are very good at looking at it objectively.

looder · 03-05-2012 1:58pm

redzerdrog wrote: »

especially when compared to someone like ayala that we let go

Did Ayala get any first team games at Liverpool?

He's spent a fair bit of time on the injury table this year, has he not?

D'Agger · 03-05-2012 2:03pm

looder wrote: »

Did Ayala get any first team games at Liverpool?

He's spent a fair bit of time on the injury table this year, has he not?

Didn't we sell Ayala

mike65 · 03-05-2012 2:05pm

Ayala plays for Norwich! Or rather he was sold to Norwich but isn't playing.

Hannibal · 03-05-2012 2:09pm

looder wrote: »

Did Ayala get any first team games at Liverpool?

He's spent a fair bit of time on the injury table this year, has he not?

Ayala missed September and October due to a knee injury and has been out since February with a hamstring injury. Dalglish still sold him for £850k which seems pretty cheap.

He played games for us in 2009/2010 and spent last season on loan with Derby and Hull. He only started one league game and in that we beat Stoke 4-0 at Anfield.
Our line up that day was: with goals from Torres, Johnson, Kuyt, Ngog

Reina

Johnson--Ayala--Carragher--Insua

Lucas----Mascherano

Kuyt

Gerrard

Benayoun

Torres

Kess73 · 03-05-2012 2:23pm

Dotsey wrote: »

Wilson was a Hodgson signing was he not? I know we were linked with him while Rafa was there but the deal was constructed and signed after Rafa had left, the website in the link although not official is usually spot on.

http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/22-1

Pretty sure that, like Jova and Shelvey, he had signed a pre agreement early in 2010 to join Liverpool in the Summer.

Hodgson was the manager of the club when Jova, Shelvey, and Wilson joined but he cannot be praised or criticised for how the players did or will turn out.

Hannibal · 03-05-2012 2:26pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Pretty sure that, like Jova and Shelvey, he had signed a pre agreement early in 2010 to join Liverpool in the Summer.

Hodgson was the manager of the club when Jova, Shelvey, and Wilson joined but he cannot be praised or criticised for how the players did or will turn out.

Luckily for Roy we'll just judge him Poulsen, Konchesky, Jones, Aurelio, Cole and Meireles so

Vanolder · 03-05-2012 2:37pm

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Sad, but true

missingtime · 03-05-2012 2:41pm

Dotsey wrote: »

Reina
Johnson--Ayala--Carragher--Insua
Lucas----Mascherano
Kuyt
Gerrard
Benayoun
Torres

Vanolder wrote: »

Sad, but true

Seriously guys, enough. Its depressing.

Tusky · 03-05-2012 2:48pm

Dotsey wrote: »

Ayala missed September and October due to a knee injury and has been out since February with a hamstring injury. Dalglish still sold him for £850k which seems pretty cheap.

He played games for us in 2009/2010 and spent last season on loan with Derby and Hull. He only started one league game and in that we beat Stoke 4-0 at Anfield.
Our line up that day was: with goals from Torres, Johnson, Kuyt, Ngog
Reina
Johnson--Ayala--Carragher--Insua
Lucas----Mascherano
Kuyt
Gerrard
Benayoun
Torres

That's a great side and doesn't even include Aurelio, Alonso or Agger. We were so close to creating a truly special team. It all fell apart with the departrues of Alonso followed by Mascherano, Torres and Benayoun (players we still haven't properly replaced)and then Rafa. Rafa has to take some blame for his extremely poor signings in the last 18 months, but he was also under enormous pressure from above.

Sappy404 · 03-05-2012 3:29pm

PFL wrote: »

It would have been something else alright but what of money on the whole issue and not so much as one seat extra to show for it.

The timeline on this page makes for shocking reading.

Jesus Wept · 03-05-2012 3:30pm

whatawaster wrote: »

What about the loss made on Carroll? How is that not the same as the profit made on Torres?

A loss hasn't been made on Carroll.

Phoenix Park · 03-05-2012 3:36pm

Andy Carroll wrote: »

A loss hasn't been made on Carroll.

Aside from the loss of my sanity and will to live while watching him at times

missingtime · 03-05-2012 3:38pm

Andy Carroll wrote: »

A loss hasn't been made on Carroll.

Easy for you to say that!

Jesus Wept · 03-05-2012 3:49pm

missingtime wrote: »

Easy for you to say that!

“The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”

Kess73 · 03-05-2012 4:14pm

Somthing that Helix put up in the Villa forum that some might find interesting. Basically a list of the best paid sports teams in the world for last season.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/010520...d-players.html

missingtime · 03-05-2012 4:19pm

Can it be a coincidence that Liverpool and the Red Sox are right beside each other?

machiavellianme · 03-05-2012 4:20pm

Kess73 wrote: »

Somthing that Helix put up in the Villa forum that some might find interesting. Basically a list of the best paid sports teams in the world for last season.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/010520...d-players.html

How have we gone up 2 positions? I thought we cut all of the expensive dross?

Chucky the tree · 03-05-2012 4:22pm

**** that's a depressing list. How we only just behind United with so much ****e in our team? Ugh.

Kess73 · 03-05-2012 4:23pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

How have we gone up 2 positions? I thought we cut all of the expensive dross?

That is for last season, the one for this season is not out yet.

More telling is how close we are to United and Arsenal in terms of wages yet so far behind on the pitch.

Spurs did not even get into the top 50, which really is a credit to their pay structure.

Jesus Wept · 03-05-2012 4:27pm

Perhaps Villa will take Downing back.

Kess73 · 03-05-2012 4:30pm

Andy Carroll wrote: »

Perhaps Villa will take Downing back.

Perhaps we can smuggle you back to Geordie land.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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