China's degrading human rights Vs Ireland's salivating trade missions

Ireland's silence on human rights in China is not weakening the human rights of the Chinese people any more than vociferous condemnation by bigger countries (some of which have more than a few skeletons in their own cupboard and an agenda related to their own domestic policy) is helping to improve them.

China, in turn, has no reason to listen to lectures by countries like Britain, the USA, France, Spain, Japan or any of the other powers who have committed grave crimes against China and its people (among others) in the past.:rolleyes:

The People's Republic of China has had unchallenged control of the country's mainland territory only since 1949 - for 63 years. It took the USA with its much-vaunted "all men are born equal" principle nearly 90 years to abolish slavery. And that's just one example.:cool:

I wonder how the Americans would react if Bradley Manning, who blew the whistle on many American crimes all over the world, managed to escape custody and sought refuge in the Chinese Embassy in Washington DC?

Ireland should continue to trade with China and do so as cleverly as possible in a way that ensures mutual benefit. If we want to promote a greater respect for human rights in China, all we can do is support these rights as staunchly and consistently as we can within international organisations like the UN, which need to be strengthened rather than ignored or sidelined. Let us get our own human rights in order and continue to improve them. Setting a good example like that is the only realistic way we can influence China.:)

I believe that the Chinese are, in fact, not averse to improving the fundamental and human rights of their citizens, but their collective interests will come first and change in their society will be generated from within.:D

A few years ago, I had a small role working on a project within which Finnish and Swedish legal experts arranged training - in China and Europe - for Chinese legal experts, including judges. Much of the training had to do with free and fair trial procedures, sentencing guidelines, advice by defence counsel and such matters. It is a very significant fact that the training had been requested by the Chinese themselves.:)

That list looks to me, about 99% of humanity fall into your category of prostitution. Nevermind, at least the child molesting leadership provider, the holy city, is on the list (prostitutinglessness), which means that we humans still have hope.

Min wrote: »

These are the countries that recognise Taiwan and the year they recognised Taiwan:
Belize 1989
Burkina Faso 1994
Dominican Republic 1957
El Salvador 1961
Gambia 1995
Guatemala 1960
Haiti 1956
Honduras 1965
Kiribati 2003
Marshall islands 1988
Nauru 1980-2002, then from 2005
Nicaragua 1990
Palau 1999
Panama 1954
Paraguay 1957
St Kitts and Nevis 1983
St Lucia 1984-1997, then from 2007
St Vincent and the Grenadines 1981
Sao Tomé and Principe 1997
Solomon islands 1983
Swaziland 1968
Tuvalu 1979
Vatican City/The Holy See 1949


I think it is disgusting that Ireland is prostituting itself to the Chinese government.

How do you know that people in those 99% countries off your prostitution list do not support their government in this regard? Play God is really handy, isn't it?

By your logic, is there a chance that those governments on your list do not have their people's support to recongnize Taiwan instead of PRC? If not, what's the meaning of your list? Black humor?

Min wrote: »

Countries rather than humanity, governments do things that the people they rule don't support.
Simon Coveney basically said after his visit to China that the Chinese government likes Ireland because we aren't a threat and we don't make an issue out of the abuse that is perpretrated against the Chinese people.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's well known that a country's human rights increase as prosperity increases. If we don't trade with China their human rights will never improve.

This is the point of the thread so far. Compare China ten years ago to today, and then ten years before that and so on. As China becomes more open and trades with more countries, it increases prosperity and improves human rights and standards of living within China.