Will Eamon Gilmore apply his own logic to himself?

Wild Bill · 08-05-2012 6:36pm

Sarky wrote: »

Yeah, let's go back to our good old traditional values, say from the 70's, where people would know what was going on, and choose not to... Uh, Where families would hush up abuse for fear of... Er, I mean, where nobody questioned a priest's authority because they...

Well crap.

Yeah, and if the Gilmore of the 1970s and 1980s had had his way we'd be living in a North Korean type state today.

That would be soo much better, wouldn't it?

Sarky · 08-05-2012 7:52pm

North Korean? Really? You think any Irish politician of the last 50 years has the cunning and charisma and military force to set up a totalitarian cult of personality? With the typical Irish person looking for any excuse to insult someone who gets even a little bit too big for their boots?

Nobody's ever tried actual communism, so I guess we'll never know. Although I think it's reasonable to suspect that the reduction in power the catholic church would have had would make covering up the child abuse far more difficult, so there'd be that at least. Or is child abuse a price we just have to pay for democracy and freedom and stuff?

Wild Bill · 08-05-2012 10:48pm

Sarky wrote: »

North Korean? Really? You think any Irish politician of the last 50 years has the cunning and charisma and military force to set up a totalitarian cult of personality?

No! That's why Gilmore did a u-turn when the Berlin Wall fell. It was a grim time for the Stickies!

Nobody's ever tried actual communism, so I guess we'll never know.

They've tried it all right - but it's like Christianity; a daft idea given what evolution has hard-wired into human nature.

Or is child abuse a price we just have to pay for democracy and freedom and stuff?

(Relative) Freedom comes with a price tag. Let's not cry about it. :cool:

mistermouse · 10-05-2012 5:58am

I agree with some of the sentiment, to the degree that people in power should look in their own wardrobes before bringing skeletons into the Dail
Gilmore's failure in Government see's him looking at other ways to deflect attention from other issues also

But, as a member of the Catholic Church, a high ranking member at that, the Cardinal must see he made a major failing at the time. Irrelevant of how things were done back then, and lots of things were done badly, he should show that he accepts his failings then, failings that are should have seemed relevant then but should have been and are now

He should not resign to appease the likes of Gilmore or any Politician as they have all plenty to repent, but he should resign as he failed those children then, and can no way justify it.

He also is doing serious damage to the Church he belongs to by holding onto power. Politicians crave and do everything to keep power, churchmen should know better than to seek to hold power at all costs

donaghs · 11-05-2012 9:29am

Let's separate out the two issues. Clearly Brady has questions to answer.

Soo does Gilmore. But don't think Gilmore's ideological "crimes" are anywhere near as bad as what Brady is implicated in.

Gilmore though is a hypocrite, who did align himself with some fairly evil people when everyone else knew better. Maybe once he did believe in that stuff. But what is he now? A careerist wind-bag with nothing of any substance to say or do. His comments on Brady strike me as the words of a politician reading the popular mood, not speaking from the heart.

itzme · 11-05-2012 5:27pm

Min wrote: »

Eamon Gilmore in the Dáil today:
"As far as your question about the Government's position in relation to Cardinal Brady is concerned, let me say this, I have always believed in the separation of church and state,”
“I think it is the job of government and of the State to enact out laws and to ensure that those laws apply to everybody, whether they belong to a church or not.
"But it is my own personal view that anybody who did not deal with the scale of the abuse that we have seen in this case should not hold a position of authority."

ok that is fine for Eamon Gilmore to say, but if we apply the logic of Eamon Gilmore, are we to believe that Gilmore didn't know about the horrific effects of communism on people? How millions of people died under these regimes, how men, women and children were abused under these regimes?

Surely Eamon Gilmore should resign if we are to judge people on what they did in the past given the knowledge they have.
Did Eamon Gilmore not know that communism is responsible for horrific abuse?
Surely he wouldn't be inviting over his best friends from China who still force women to have abortions and are involved in a lot of human rights abuses.
We have seen in the past week how a blind Chinese human rights activist escaped from house arrest. He was being held under house arrest for supporting women who were forced to have abortions by the Chinese regime.

For Eamon Gilmore, it all depends on whose abuse is acceptable when it comes to him saying "But it is my own personal view that anybody who did not deal with the scale of the abuse that we have seen in this case should not hold a position of authority"

Can I just say thank you Min, after a decently long day I did need a good laugh. I honestly (no kidding) think you could have the spark of a playwright, that level of satire desires an audience

Wild Bill · 11-05-2012 7:55pm

donaghs wrote: »

Soo does Gilmore. But don't think Gilmore's ideological "crimes" are anywhere near as bad as what Brady is implicated in.

Actually, they are a lot worse.

Will Eamon Gilmore apply his own logic to himself?

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