VRT and Road Tax Evasion

Death and Taxes · 20-01-2013 11:01pm

Bruthal wrote: »

An overall profile of the OP`s views is emerging I believe.

I dont think the average person likes the snooping and reporting type, with a hint of racism too. That type of person is not to be trusted in any aspect of life.

Damm sight more than a hint! More like an obsession.

Bruthal · 20-01-2013 11:05pm

ManMade wrote: »

I really hate to have you as my neighbour.

Imagine it, checking your car, snooping around, watching his neighbours. And other posters actually believe these type`s of people are liked/needed as neighbours.

And his clear inclination to assume I was Nigerian or a tax evader because I say I believe his type are not liked. That type of person would have that busy body interfering and nosing into other people`s business in all aspects, not just with regard to tax.

Let him at it.

Bruthal · 20-01-2013 11:10pm

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Damm sight more than a hint! More like an obsession.

Indeed yes, I thought the mention of "refugee dole" was a good indication, but the Nigerian obsession is right.

irish bloke · 20-01-2013 11:23pm

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

Wow I'm very surprised at the personal level of dissatisfaction at the OPs actions.

Just wanted to say that I think that the OP was spot on in reporting the matter. The law is the law and if anyone feels that put out about suspected crimes being reported and action taken in accordance with the law then perhaps they should consider setting up a dictatorship somewhere.

It's more about the fact that the OP should just mind his own business.

No one likes snitches, even if it is breaking the law. Tax and VRT rates in this country are a rip off anyway.

Some people are hard up and people like the OP with the self confessed " nicer and newer car" need to realise that.

Jesus, I hope I don't have neighbours like the OP...

MagicSean · 20-01-2013 11:59pm

Bruthal wrote: »

No, I dont think you would report a family member or friend for no motor tax or tv licence. But you can say you would, or that you would never need to due to them being perfect, to keep the boards persona intact.

Like I said my family and friends don't avoid paying car tax. If they do I'll advise them of the dangers of travelling without same and how inconvenient it can be left without your car on the side of the road. I'm not exactly sure who you think i'd be reporting them to. As to a tv licence, I'm not really sure how you would report someone for that. Seems a bit of an odd addition.

At the end of the day, what you call a snitch I call a witness and I can't see why they should be ashamed of anything.

MagicSean · 21-01-2013 12:00am

irish bloke wrote: »

No one likes snitches, even if it is breaking the law. Tax and VRT rates in this country are a rip off anyway.

You mean the laws you don't like. I'm pretty positive if you were badly assaulted in the street you'd appreciate the "snitch" who identified your attacker to the Gardaí

irish bloke · 21-01-2013 12:43am

MagicSean wrote: »

You mean the laws you don't like. I'm pretty positive if you were badly assaulted in the street you'd appreciate the "snitch" who identified your attacker to the Gardaí

2 totally different situations though and at opposite ends of the spectrum. We are talking about minor white collar crime here and not assault.

WilcoOut · 21-01-2013 12:45am

well done OP, make no excuse for reporting the suspected crime

evil triumphs when good men do nothing

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 12:53am

MagicSean wrote: »

At the end of the day, what you call a snitch I call a witness and I can't see why they should be ashamed of anything.

I dont use that term.

I wouldnt call someone like the OP or his "friend", who actively go around checking their neighbours cars, with particular interest if they are nigerian, a witness.

MagicSean · 21-01-2013 12:55am

irish bloke wrote: »

2 totally different situations though and at opposite ends of the spectrum. We are talking about minor white collar crime here and not assault.

So it's only bad to be a snitch if it's for a crime you don't believe is important. How might potential touts run there information by you to see if it's a legit crime? Have you a freefone number or something?

irish bloke · 21-01-2013 1:03am

MagicSean wrote: »

So it's only bad to be a snitch if it's for a crime you don't believe is important. How might potential touts run there information by you to see if it's a legit crime? Have you a freefone number or something?

Your missing the point... I would never report anyone for evading tax or any such trivial crime as I have better things to do with my life.
If he wishes to drive the vehicle without tax, run the risk of having it impounded, then that's his business and no one else's.

Turner · 21-01-2013 1:10am

Less of the personal insults people and keep things civil, unless you would like a holiday from the forum ??

gutteruu · 21-01-2013 2:11am

RainyDay wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge, there is no 'legitimate reason' for anyone living in Ireland to have UK plates.

I am doing exactly that with the permission of the revenue. An english company cannot register a vehicle on Irish plates without a registered company or person in Ireland. If it somehow managed to, it would be unable to get insured. There are temporary exemptions for contracts also.

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

The tax evader is Nigerian and....

You don't know they are evading tax. You suspect that. Same as someone would suspect me and be completely 100% in the wrong. What the hell has Nigerian got to do with it?

If you have reported it, it most probably has been looked into and resolved or the experts have decided against persuing it. There is nothing more you can do. Anything else you do thereafter like more complaints to public services will be 'actually wasting' taxpayers money.

Potential-Monke · 21-01-2013 12:35pm

OP, your question has been answered. It has been reported, on inquiry a reply was given and the resources are not there to put surveillance on this neighbour. At this stage, the best you can do (if you wanted) was to watch when this jeep is being driven and report it to your local station, with the hope that there is a free traffic unit nearby to stop them.

The reality is that the resources are no longer there to be able to follow the majority of people. Response times are increasing at an alarming rate, and the "white collar" crime is being put on the long finger as the resources are concentrating on the more serious and immediate crime.

Regardless of what people say, touts or informants give invaluable information to the authorities (a quick google will show the increase of people reporting social fraud). Unfortunately, all you can do now is wait and hope that someday this person will be caught (if they don't have a legitimate reason).

Remember, a criminal has to be lucky 100% of the time, the authorities only have to be lucky once.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 1:00pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

OP, your question has been answered. It has been reported, on inquiry a reply was given and the resources are not there to put surveillance on this neighbour. At this stage, the best you can do (if you wanted) was to watch when this jeep is being driven and report it to your local station, with the hope that there is a free traffic unit nearby to stop them.

The reality is that the resources are no longer there to be able to follow the majority of people. Response times are increasing at an alarming rate, and the "white collar" crime is being put on the long finger as the resources are concentrating on the more serious and immediate crime.

Regardless of what people say, touts or informants give invaluable information to the authorities (a quick google will show the increase of people reporting social fraud). Unfortunately, all you can do now is wait and hope that someday this person will be caught (if they don't have a legitimate reason).

Remember, a criminal has to be lucky 100% of the time, the authorities only have to be lucky once.

He could get onto immigration now, if out of things to do.

Death and Taxes · 21-01-2013 1:17pm

MagicSean wrote: »

So it's only bad to be a snitch if it's for a crime you don't believe is important. How might potential touts run there information by you to see if it's a legit crime? Have you a freefone number or something?

Glad to see you've come round, bearing in mind you were condeming the "snitches" in the Gardai who brought to light the massive currotion in the penalty points "fixing" scandal.

murf313 · 21-01-2013 2:07pm

WilcoOut wrote: »

evil triumphs when good men do nothing

ok batman........:rolleyes:

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 3:21pm

ManMade wrote: »

Ignore 90% of my post well done.You need to butt out of other people's business.
Democracy means innocent until proven guilty. Again you are not the judge jury and executioner. This 'Nigerian tax evader' is not guilty. Democracy means everyone has the right to privacy. Not the right to get into other people's business. The idea of neighbour watching neighbour to make everyone is well behaved and reporting those you suspect are not fully law abiding to the state; sounds like nazi germany or the Soviet Union. You keep asking for me to prove myself yet you provide no proof of this man breaking the law. I really hate to have you as my neighbour. May I ask how you know the car is not mot'd? Do you actual snoop around his house? Also please stop selective quoting. I've shown you 3 reasons why no one gives a sht about your neighbour yet you conviently never responded to them.

Maybe I am your neighbour you never know.......................

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 3:31pm

Bruthal wrote: »

I dont use that term.

I wouldnt call someone like the OP or his "friend", who actively go around checking their neighbours cars, with particular interest if they are nigerian, a witness.

Who said people "actively go around checking their neighbours cars" if something is in your face you can see it simple. Who said there was any "particular interest if they are nigerian" the tax evader happens to be nigerian thats all. You are seeing things that are not there it must be your imagination again. So now we know YOU evaded road tax for 5 months and thats why you are so defensive. Shame on you did you not have to fill out a form in the Garda station to say your car was off the road or something ?

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 3:33pm

Bruthal wrote: »

He could get onto immigration now, if out of things to do.

If he has nothing to hide he wont have a problem will he ? So now your supporting illegal immigrants too ????? What next murder ? Drug dealing ? I really hope your not my neighbour.

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 3:35pm

Bruthal wrote: »

You suggested Im nigerian. Lots of evidence on boards to suggest otherwise.

A liar? Probably. But there is a report button, so you should feel at home with that.

I didnt pay motor tax for 5 months last year. Am I a tax evader? I could imagine you as a neighbour, camped outside with your camcorder.

There`s that imagination again....................

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 3:38pm

Is your company vehicle MOT`d and taxed in the UK ?

gutteruu wrote: »

I am doing exactly that with the permission of the revenue. An english company cannot register a vehicle on Irish plates without a registered company or person in Ireland. If it somehow managed to, it would be unable to get insured. There are temporary exemptions for contracts also.

You don't know they are evading tax. You suspect that. Same as someone would suspect me and be completely 100% in the wrong. What the hell has Nigerian got to do with it?

If you have reported it, it most probably has been looked into and resolved or the experts have decided against persuing it. There is nothing more you can do. Anything else you do thereafter like more complaints to public services will be 'actually wasting' taxpayers money.

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 3:42pm

irish bloke wrote: »

Your missing the point... I would never report anyone for evading tax or any such trivial crime as I have better things to do with my life.
If he wishes to drive the vehicle without tax, run the risk of having it impounded, then that's his business and no one else's.

"trivial crime" ????? Did a man not get a long prison sentence last year for evading a portion of tax on Garlic ??? Nothing trivial about a long prison sentence IMO. And that was a man providing Jobs and paying tax...............

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 3:55pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

So now we know YOU evaded road tax for 5 months

Really? Could it not be your wild over eager guilt assuming manner that has brought you to that conclusion?

Death and Taxes · 21-01-2013 4:00pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

If he has nothing to hide he wont have a problem will he ? So now your supporting illegal immigrants too ????? What next murder ? Drug dealing ? I really hope your not my neighbour.

Where is your evidence that he is an "Illegal immigrant"?

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 4:12pm

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Where is your evidence that he is an "Illegal immigrant"?

He has none, the same as he has absolutely none that I evaded motor tax last year. And he mentions my imagination.

For someone out investigating his neighbours, he is not very good at seeing real evidence.

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 4:27pm

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Where is your evidence that he is an "Illegal immigrant"?

There is no evidence. Brutal said I was going to contact immigration (as if the person was illegal or had something to hide) and I said if he has nothing to hide there will be no problem.

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 4:30pm

Bruthal wrote: »

He has none, the same as he has absolutely none that I evaded motor tax last year. And he mentions my imagination.

For someone out investigating his neighbours, he is not very good at seeing real evidence.

You said "I didnt pay motor tax for 5 months last year. Am I a tax evader? I could imagine you as a neighbour, camped outside with your camcorder." Were you lying then or are you lying now ? What did you tell the Guards when you had to fill out the form to put your car back on the road ?

debabyjesus · 21-01-2013 4:38pm

Hey Noel, do you go snooping around halting sites checking tax and nct and possible vrt avoidance on the vehicles in there?

If I caught someone snooping around my car... And before you say its 'noticing' its not its snooping.

I normally pay 3 months tax at a time because im working abroad a lot, this leads to situations where Im driving the car with the tax quite a bit out of date but also situations where the car is sitting around with valid tax and me not even in the country. I feel it evens out so my conscience is clear.

It seems clear to me that the problem here is nigerians living next door to poor auld Noel. I hope they have lots of loud kids and loads of close friends they have over for parties. Hey Noel you can check their tax too!

21-01-2013 4:41pm

read as far as post 27 and I'm not going to bother reading anymore because I suspect it's more of the same crap.

Fair play to Noel for wanting to report this neighbour. Most ordinary hard working/honest would be disgusted by the lad not paying vrt/tax in Ireland. Most of us fork out the money to tax our cars and for some it's a tough job to do it to. So why should we let somebody take the piss by not paying?

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 4:50pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

You said "I didnt pay motor tax for 5 months last year. Am I a tax evader? I could imagine you as a neighbour, camped outside with your camcorder."

With no evidence, you instantly assumed I was evading motor tax. And didnt take long to insinuate I was Nigerian either.

Were you lying then or are you lying now ?

So, I must have been lying somewhere, is that it inspector kinsella?

What did you tell the Guards when you had to fill out the form to put your car back on the road ?

I told him the reason I was not driving it. But the guard is not there to ascertain why. He is a witness to a drivers statement that the car was not used in a public place.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 4:57pm

foreign wrote: »

read as far as post 27 and I'm not going to bother reading anymore because I suspect it's more of the same crap.

Fair play to Noel for wanting to report this neighbour. Most ordinary hard working/honest would be disgusted by the lad not paying vrt/tax in Ireland. Most of us fork out the money to tax our cars and for some it's a tough job to do it to. So why should we let somebody take the piss by not paying?

Do you check your neighbours cars?

skeg16 · 21-01-2013 5:00pm

An Cigire wrote: »

More importantly is this vehicle insured if it is not yet registered in state?

He CAN insure the car even if it has a UK reg. Insurers will only allow if for a certain number of moths until you get it VRTd but i doubt there are any follow ups.

Its a bit of a catch 22 because in once sense hes dead right not paying it....we are being robbed left right and center by the tax man and we just ly down and take it....road tax is a farce, im paying near 700 for the year and the roads are in sh1te, it costs me that much again just getting new tyres and such!!!

On the other hand why should I have to pay if hes getting away with it

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 5:01pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Do you check your neighbours cars?

How would you not notice UK plates after 2 years?

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 5:10pm

Customs are very active where I live with regards to stopping uk reg vehicles. They seem to be very efficient.
If he is driving with no tax and without vrt he will eventually get caught no doubt.
But I cannot get my head around the measures you are taking to get this chap caught. I find it bad enough that you have reported it to gardai and customs? Jaysus Im glad Im not one of your neighbours. (and I pay my tax)
Think its more a case of little to be doing and a dose of the green eyed monster.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 5:11pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

How would you not notice UK plates after 2 years?

Would you report next door if their tax disc expires?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 5:12pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Would you report next door if their tax disc expires?

And they drove their car for 2 years? Yes.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 5:13pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

And they drove their car for 2 years? Yes.

Not 2 months then?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 5:14pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Not 2 months then?

No, 3 months would be the cutoff point. Assuming I noticed their tax was out.

MagicSean · 21-01-2013 5:15pm

WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »

Glad to see you've come round, bearing in mind you were condeming the "snitches" in the Gardai who brought to light the massive currotion in the penalty points "fixing" scandal.

Interesting comparison. What that Garda did was release confidential information on thousands of people in contradiction of the law and disciplinary regulations. He did not try differentiate between people who had done something wrong and people who hadn't. That's not a snitch, that's a leak. What the op did was report someone who he believed was breaking the law. There is clearly a major difference.

Noel Kinsella · 21-01-2013 5:21pm

"If I caught someone snooping around my car..." please finish your sentence if you caught my friend looking at your windscreen while he walked past on a public footpath EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

debabyjesus wrote: »

Hey Noel, do you go snooping around halting sites checking tax and nct and possible vrt avoidance on the vehicles in there?

If I caught someone snooping around my car... And before you say its 'noticing' its not its snooping.

I normally pay 3 months tax at a time because im working abroad a lot, this leads to situations where Im driving the car with the tax quite a bit out of date but also situations where the car is sitting around with valid tax and me not even in the country. I feel it evens out so my conscience is clear.

It seems clear to me that the problem here is nigerians living next door to poor auld Noel. I hope they have lots of loud kids and loads of close friends they have over for parties. Hey Noel you can check their tax too!

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 5:24pm

MagicSean wrote: »

Interesting comparison. What that Garda did was release confidential information on thousands of people in contradiction of the law and disciplinary regulations. He did not try differentiate between people who had done something wrong and people who hadn't. That's not a snitch, that's a leak. What the op did was report someone who he believed was breaking the law. There is clearly a major difference.

Based on better evidence than led the OP to claim I evaded motor tax last year, Id say the OP seen a Nigerian man, and went on his "help my "friend" help the state" crusade.

Using terms like "refugee dole", and insinuating I was Nigerian, might indicate that assisting the state was not his primary motive.

MagicSean · 21-01-2013 5:29pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Based on better evidence than led the OP to claim I evaded motor tax last year, Id say the OP seen a Nigerian man, and went on his "help my "friend" help the state" crusade.

Using terms like "refugee dole", and insinuating I was Nigerian, might indicate that assisting the state was not his primary motive.

No, the garda released information based on no evidence at all in the vast majority of the cases.

The op has reported one crime based on evidence he had.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 5:30pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

"If I caught someone snooping around my car..." please finish your sentence if you caught my friend looking at your windscreen while he walked past on a public footpath EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

Relax Noel!! You did post this on boards....a public forum!
Personally....Id think you where scoping out my car lol but thats just me. Id prob mention it to the husband and keep me eye on ya. Is this chap foreign? Is that the actual issue or do you casually walk past every neighbours car and check?

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 5:53pm

MagicSean wrote: »

No, the garda released information based on no evidence at all in the vast majority of the cases.

Im not sure where that is going, perhaps my bad quoting that post causing confusion, but I was just posting about the OP with no reference to the actual post I quoted as such.

I was stating that the evidence to suggest the OP is a bit on the racist side, is far stronger than the non existent evidence which led him to the conclusion that I was/did

A) Nigerian

Evade 5 months motor tax last year

The op has reported one crime based on evidence he had.

Is it a crime, or suspected (alleged) crime? I know you would be better versed in such matters than myself in that regard anyway.

But anyway. the op appears to have a problem with foreigners and "refugee" people, and now possibly has found a new hobby out of it.

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 5:56pm

Bruthal wrote: »

I was stating that the evidence to suggest the OP is a bit on the racist side, is far stronger than the non existent evidence which led him to the conclusion that I was/did

Racist or not, if the neighbours car is not declared as per legal requirements then OP/Friend has every right to report them.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 5:57pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

No, 3 months would be the cutoff point. Assuming I noticed their tax was out.

No letting them know you are policing them then, Just report and next week get a loan of a bag of sugar?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 6:01pm

Bruthal wrote: »

No letting them know you are policing them then, Just report and next week get a loan of a bag of sugar?

They have had 3 months to sort it already, I would have no qualms about reporting them for driving without tax for that period.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 6:08pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

They have had 3 months to sort it already, I would have no qualms about reporting them for driving without tax for that period.

And if they had it off the road due to hardship, but drove it once after 3 months, what then? Would the bishop be more forgiving in his pontification of neighbours then? Or straight to the nearest phone to report this crime?

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 6:08pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

They have had 3 months to sort it already, I would have no qualms about reporting them for driving without tax for that period.

Im genuinely shocked at this. You would report a neighbour for no car tax? Really?
What do you get out of that?

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