Passport card coming by mid 2015

foggy_lad wrote: »

Shocking move, it is just one step closer to a nazi state where we will all have to carry a state id card and then it will be travel permits etc

Did you even read the article? It's simply a passport replacement card that can only be used in the EU, no compunction. And it might just reduce the number of kids losing their passports because they've brought it out as ID to get into pubs.

There isn't a conspiracy involved in everything, much as you might like to think it.

sounds like a fantastic idea to me.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Shocking move, it is just one step closer to a nazi state where we will all have to carry a state id card and then it will be travel permits etc

Godwin's Law within 2 posts - quick even by Boards standards...

I have one of those EU identity cards from my motherland and it’s great. It’s the same size as a credit card, can be used for travel in most EU/EFTA countries (plus places like Egypt and Turkey) and it comes with a RFID chip that I can use for electronic signatures to conduct government/financial business (with the electronic signature having the same status as a paper signature). It’s so much simpler than the whole passport book as I can carry it in my wallet and hence have it when required. Plus it allows also the usage of electronic passport gates in several countries. And since travelers from Ireland are treated as 3rd world citizen when it comes to enter the Schengen area that saves loads of time.

Several states have come to issue Passport Cards in addition to Passport Books, even the US does it now (even if it’s limited in use at land borders or sea ports and to satisfy the TSA requirements for in country travel).

But as usual what happens in Ireland, it’s going to be implemented for way too high cost to be reasonable alternative, the functions will be limited to travel (i.e. no electronic signature etc.) and showing it at an alcohol purchase point. Plus Ryanair will claim it’s not a valid travel id as the quality possibly is going to be the same as an Italian fishing license.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Shocking move, it is just one step closer to a nazi state where we will all have to carry a state id card and then it will be travel permits etc

If you've nothing to hide, then you've nothing to fear.

dublin-texas wrote: »

But as usual what happens in Ireland, it’s going to be implemented for way too high cost to be reasonable alternative, the functions will be limited to travel (i.e. no electronic signature etc.) and showing it at an alcohol purchase point. Plus Ryanair will claim it’s not a valid travel id as the quality possibly is going to be the same as an Italian fishing license.

Wow you must have some inside knowledge to be able to state this!

Icepick wrote: »

This statement is as falacious as the slippery slope hyperbole.

In what way?

murphaph wrote: »

Long long long overdue. I just hope it can be used in exactly the same way as a national ID card from another EU state, here in Germany. For example, if I need to prove my identity to the post office at present I need my passport + registration of abode document, whereas a Polish, Czech etc. guy just needs to show their national ID card, which is always in their wallet.

It will depend on how it is implemented, for example a German Citizen residing abroad has “no permanent residence in German” marked on their German ID card and hence just as you needs a proof of address for the Postident System.

However some EU Identity cards have an address on it, even if it’s an address outside the country of origin, so they don’t. So for you the only way would be if the Irish Passport Card would feature your Berlin home address, otherwise you would still need a proof of residency.

Most ID cards in the EU feature the permanent residency address stored on both the card and the CHIP. Together with the electronic signature it makes it possible to apply for new bank accounts, government paperwork and other contracts requiring proof of address and identify electronically without the need to get further paperwork sorted. All done electronically.

foggy_lad wrote: »

Shocking move, it is just one step closer to a nazi state where we will all have to carry a state id card and then it will be travel permits etc

cdebru wrote: »

Slippery slope.

Saipanne wrote: »

Yes, Mr Chamberlain.

Mother of jaysus.

First of all Saipanne didn't you just get booted out of your own lame thread in After Hours on the very topic of Godwinning?

You do all realise that this is just an Irish equivalent of the American passpart-card, a passport-lite for (in their case) land-based border crossing (i.e. the Americans have a passport card for people who will only be travelling internationally by landed border crossings with the U.S. i.e. Canada and Mexico). The Irish version will be similar, limited to travel in the EU etc.

How in the name of goodness that is comparable to a regime that murdered millions of Jews, homosexuals, Poles and caused the deaths of countless soldiers from various nations, is completely beyond me.

StreetLight wrote: »

If you've nothing to hide, then you've nothing to fear.