VRT and Road Tax Evasion

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 6:49pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Im genuinely shocked at this. You would report a neighbour for no car tax? Really?
What do you get out of that?

The further self confirmation of their perfection, no doubt.

gutteruu · 21-01-2013 7:00pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

Is your company vehicle MOT`d and taxed in the UK ?

None of your business!

ManMade · 21-01-2013 7:06pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

Maybe I am your neighbour you never know.......................

My neighbour drives a polish reg...

irish bloke · 21-01-2013 7:22pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Im genuinely shocked at this. You would report a neighbour for no car tax? Really?
What do you get out of that?

Genuinely shocked too. Can't believe someone would do this to one of their neighbours... You will get no luck for something like that..

debabyjesus · 21-01-2013 7:42pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

"If I caught someone snooping around my car..." please finish your sentence if you caught my friend looking at your windscreen while he walked past on a public footpath EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

No need to shout Noel... I'd ask him what he was looking at. What did you think I would do? Are you jumping to conclusions again Noel?

You and your friend sound like great lads to have a pint with, after you eyeballed the publicans liquor license and car tax of course.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 7:50pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

"If I caught someone snooping around my car..." please finish your sentence if you caught my friend looking at your windscreen while he walked past on a public footpath EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

Ever break a road speed limit noel?

Alrite Chief · 21-01-2013 7:54pm

Have you considered approaching this guy personally? A friend of mine had terrible trouble with a neighbours dog barking during the night. He also knew the dog owner had no licence!!!! He spoke to the Gardai and all the possible authorities in concern. Absolutely nothing was done. So he called in himself and explained to the guy he had a problem. The neighbour was very cooperative and they were able to sort it out.

The only difference with your story and his is that his neighbour wasn't on refugee dole. That could be a problem.

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 7:57pm

Bruthal wrote: »

And if they had it off the road due to hardship, but drove it once after 3 months, what then? Would the bishop be more forgiving in his pontification of neighbours then? Or straight to the nearest phone to report this crime?

I wouldn't report that. Why do you give a toss anyway?

jammywammy wrote: »

Im genuinely shocked at this. You would report a neighbour for no car tax? Really?
What do you get out of that?

Yes, I'd have no issue reporting someone for driving untaxed for 3 months. Did i not make that perfectly obvious?

ManMade · 21-01-2013 8:01pm

debabyjesus wrote: »

No need to shout Noel... I'd ask him what he was looking at. What did you think I would do? Are you jumping to conclusions again Noel?

You and your friend sound like great lads to have a pint with, after you eyeballed the publicans liquor license and car tax of course.

.. and NCT, tv license, tax returns and VAT records; Can't be taking any chances these days. The law is the law and sure everyone needs to play their part and snoop wherever they can to ensure its full implementation .

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:05pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

I wouldn't report that. Why do you give a toss anyway?

Yes, I'd have no issue reporting someone for driving untaxed for 3 months. Did i not make that perfectly obvious?

Not obvious, but you did say it. The reason Im slightly confused is because you said you would have no problem reporting it....but wouldnt if it was off the road due to hardship? How would you know....and who made you judge and jury?
Also, is it not exhausting minding other peoples business?

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 8:06pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

I wouldn't report that. Why do you give a toss anyway?

I dont, hence I dont spy on or police the neighbours cars.

And It would take a bit of spying to confirm the criteria for reaching your report threshold.

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:07pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Not obvious, but you did say it. The reason Im slightly confused is because you said you would have no problem reporting it....but wouldnt if it was off the road due to hardship? How would you know....and who made you judge and jury?
Also, is it not exhausting minding other peoples business?

I'm feel to make judgement calls as i see fit, just as i am entitled to report tax evasion.

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:08pm

Bruthal wrote: »

I dont, hence I dont spy on or police the neighbours cars.

Why do you think you need to be a spy to notice a car on UK plates for 2 years? Strawman ftl.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:11pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

I'm feel to make judgement calls as i see fit, just as i am entitled to report tax evasion.

Everyones entitled to report tax evasion. Doesnt mean I go auditing people to see who I can report. I revert back to my previous question...is it not exhausting minding other peoples business?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:12pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Everyones entitled to report tax evasion.

I'm glad we can agree on this.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:15pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

I'm glad we can agree on this.

Lol Me too. Although I see you partake in evasion of another kind

wexie · 21-01-2013 8:19pm

Alrite Chief wrote: »

A friend of mine had terrible trouble with a neighbours dog barking during the night. He also knew the dog owner had no licence!!!! He spoke to the Gardai and all the possible authorities in concern.

He reported his neighbour for not having a dog license?......

And how long, pray tell, did it take the guards to stop rolling around on the floor giggling?

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 8:20pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Why do you think you need to be a spy to notice a car on UK plates for 2 years? Strawman ftl.

Strawman you say? Thats curious.

runawaybishop wrote: »

Yes, I'd have no issue reporting someone for driving untaxed for 3 months. Did i not make that perfectly obvious?

No UK plate mentioned there. So how will you apply your reporting criteria, without spying? Or is it only UK plates on neighbours cars you watch out for?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:21pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Lol Me too. Although I see you partake in evasion of another kind

You were seriously asking me how exhausting it is to answer hypothetical questions on a forum? Not very

Bruthal wrote: »

Strawman you say? Thats curious.

What's curious about it, you are equating noticing a highly visible license plate with the inspection of peoples tax disks and you'd like to pretend you are not making a strawman argument? I don't see the point in carrying on a conversation if this is the case.

Bruthal wrote: »

No UK plate mentioned there. So how will you apply your reporting criteria, without spying? Or is it only UK plates on neighbours cars you watch out for?

You asked me to answer a question, which I did. I'm not sure why you are making incorrect assumptions now.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:24pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

You were seriously asking me how exhausting it is to answer hypothetical questions on a forum? Not very

No, I asked was it not exhausting minding other people business? (or wasnt that obvious) Maybe it wasnt??!!??? I was refering to your policing of your neighbour's cars and reporting them for having their tax out by 3 months.

ManMade · 21-01-2013 8:25pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

"If I caught someone snooping around my car..." please finish your sentence if you caught my friend looking at your windscreen while he walked past on a public footpath EXACTLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

I'll tell you what I'd do if a person were on my property snooping, it would involve a ... call to the guards, notifying them that a creep was trespassing in my property staring at my car.

You've stated he is on "refugee dole" Implying he entered the Republic illegally and is seeking asylum or is a successful asylum seeker. The only thing you've backed this up with is by revealing that he is Nigerian. That is in my understanding of the word, racist.

You have claimed that customs cannot take his car as its in his driveway. Yet you know that it not mot'd and have mentioned 'your friend' looking at his windscreen. If you entered his driveway that is trespass. I've no way of proving this and I doubt you'd admit it.

Rant/

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:27pm

jammywammy wrote: »

No, I asked was it not exhausting minding other people business? (or wasnt that obvious) Maybe it wasnt??!!??? I was refering to your policing of your neighbour's cars and reporting them for having their tax out by 3 months.

Did you miss the hypothetical part?

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:29pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Did you miss the hypothetical part?

No

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:30pm

jammywammy wrote: »

No

Fair enough, maybe you didnt understand what i meant. Feel free to get back to me when you work it out.

Alrite Chief · 21-01-2013 8:31pm

wexie wrote: »

He reported his neighbour for not having a dog license?......

And how long, pray tell, did it take the guards to stop rolling around on the floor giggling?

No he rang up because of the constant domestic disturbance. The no licence part he managed to find out from an inside source in the licensing department so he couldn't mention that.

Law enforcing is not all back flips tumbles and shoot outs. Not having a licence could be very serious if you own a dangerous dog.

cock robin · 21-01-2013 8:34pm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

I have nothing to hide, I pay road tax I live a clean life and cannot understand why others do not do the same.

Is your name Jesus ? I'm sure most people live as you do paying their taxes and so forth. The difference is that most folks adapt a live and let live attitude. Thank god I don't live near the Noel Kinsella's of this world. You need to get a life dude.

DUBLINHITMAN · 21-01-2013 8:36pm

If its annoying the op that much , he could pay the vrt and tax for his neighbour.
Or crash into him then the guards have to do something .
He could even burn it out .
Doubt that you'll get much help here complaining about someone ripping the government of a few quid incomparision to what the government robbed of us .

Man up deal with it .

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:40pm

The causal attitude to paying tax is really staggering. I must be a complete tool for always paying my tax on time

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:40pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Fair enough, maybe you didnt understand what i meant. Feel free to get back to me when you work it out.

Lol Oh Gosh....Implying Im a little thick? Deary deary me!
I asked a simple question, a question which you rephrased and then answered your rephrased version of the question (after avoiding the question twice) It was a closed question which requires a simple yes/no answer.
Maybe its just a hard question? I didnt think so

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 8:43pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

What's curious about it, you are equating noticing a highly visible license plate with the inspection of peoples tax disks and you'd like to pretend you are not making a strawman argument?

Nice evasion there. However, I equated nothing. You clearly said you would report a neighbours car for no tax if 3 months out, but wouldnt if they were off the road, but drove once in an emergency.

Now, explain how you would have no problem reporting your neighbours car 3 months out of tax, and how a UK reg is relevant there?

It was you who introduced the UK reg equating, as a way to evade the question about you reporting your neeighbours motor tax status, or lack of.

I don't see the point in carrying on a conversation if this is the case

Seems simple, is a UK reg relevant to you reporting your neighbours lack of tax. If you cant carry on the conversation based on explaining that, then that is one cop out....

You asked me to answer a question, which I did. I'm not sure why you are making incorrect assumptions now.

Well then, how can you tell that your neighbours car tax is still out after 3 months, without spying on their car? You will just accidently notice it now and again? Or you will keep a watchful eye on it?

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:43pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

I must be a complete tool

Dont be so hard on yourself bishop. I pay my tax ontime also.

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:43pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Lol Oh Gosh....Implying Im a little thick? Deary deary me!
I asked a simple question, a question which you rephrased and then answered your rephrased version of the question (after avoiding the question twice) It was a closed question which requires a simple yes/no answer.
Maybe its just a hard question? I didnt think so

Given that i was asked a hypothetical question about a situation that did not actually take place in reality i am unsure why you would expect me to be exhausted. I can, hypothetically, estimate that i would not be tired in the slightest.

ForeRight · 21-01-2013 8:46pm

OP on his porch

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:47pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Nice evasion there. However, I equated nothing. You clearly said you would report a neighbours car for no tax if 3 months out, but wouldnt if they were off the road, but drove once in an emergency.

Now, explain how you would have no problem reporting your neighbours car 3 months out of tax, and how a UK reg is relevant there?

It was you who introduced the UK reg equating, as a way to evade the question about you reporting your neeighbours motor tax status, or lack of.

Seems simple, is a UK reg relevant to you reporting your neighbours lack of tax. If you cant carry on the conversation based on explaining that, then that is one cop out....

Well then, how can you tell that your neighbours car tax is still out after 3 months, without spying on their car? You will just accidently notice it now and again? Or you will keep a watchful eye on it?

Spying on people is bad
Spying on their tax is bad
Reporting customs evasion is like spying on their tax
Reporting a customs evasion is bad

^^ strawman.

I can tell my neighbours car tax is out of date because you told me it was in your question. If you are askign another hypothetical question, such as would i go to much effort to find out their tax status then the answer is no, i would not.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:47pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Given that i was asked a hypothetical question about a situation that did not actually take place in reality i am unsure why you would expect me to be exhausted. I can, hypothetically, estimate that i would not be tired in the slightest.

So thats a 'no' ? See....its easy

well done. In contrast to your good self, hypothetically of course, Im sure I would find policing my neighbour's tax affairs exhausting.

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:50pm

jammywammy wrote: »

So thats a 'no' ? See....its easy well done. In contrast to your good self, hypothetically of course, Im sure I would find policing my neighbour's tax affairs exhausting.

Such is the duty of good citizens, take heart that you helped stop people stealing money from your back pocket.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 8:52pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Spying on people is bad
Spying on their tax is bad
Reporting customs evasion is like spying on their tax
Reporting a customs evasion is bad

^^ strawman.

I can tell my neighbours car tax is out of date because you told me it was in your question. If you are askign another hypothetical question, such as would i go to much effort to find out their tax status then the answer is no, i would not.

Ok, I see what you mean. You wouldnt go looking but if you noticed it you would report it?
Im just at a loss to understand what one gets from doing that. Is it a case of feeling like you are doing the community a service?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 8:57pm

jammywammy wrote: »

Ok, I see what you mean. You wouldnt go looking but if you noticed it you would report it?
Im just at a loss to understand what one gets from doing that. Is it a case of feeling like you are doing the community a service?

If my neighbour was driving around for 3 months without tax, yes, I'd report him as he is just taking the p1ss. I don't see why people should stand idle while the law is broken deliberately and over a long period of time.

Alrite Chief · 21-01-2013 8:57pm

ForeRight wrote: »

OP on his porch

Replace Clint with Victor Meldrew

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 9:04pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

If my neighbour was driving around for 3 months without tax, yes, I'd report him as he is just taking the p1ss. I don't see why people should stand idle while the law is broken deliberately and over a long period of time.

The gardai are paid to look after that end of things. There are plenty of wrongs that if I see happening I would report....but I think they would involve people getting hurt etc. But reporting a neighbour who you have to live beside for not taxing a car...I just think its not a nice thing to do. Its not right not to tax a car, but I think if my neighbour reported me for such....Id be very peed off about it. Just sayin

Zambia · 21-01-2013 9:08pm

This thread gives a good insight as to why Ireland is broke

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 9:10pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Bruthal wrote: »

runawaybishop wrote: »

Bruthal wrote: »

Would you report next door if their tax disc expires?

And they drove their car for 2 years? Yes.

Not 2 months then?

No, 3 months would be the cutoff point. Assuming I noticed their tax was out.

runawaybishop wrote: »

Spying on people is bad
Spying on their tax is bad
Reporting customs evasion is like spying on their tax
Reporting a customs evasion is bad

^^ strawman.

Look at the posts above. Nowhere does the UK reg enter the equation, except when you introduced it, then cried strawman. A little ironic that.

I asked would you report a neighbour, you said you would. Its that simple. UK reg is irrelevant.

jammywammy · 21-01-2013 9:10pm

Zambia wrote: »

This thread gives a good insight as to why Ireland is broke

Elaborate please

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 9:11pm

jammywammy wrote: »

The gardai are paid to look after that end of things. There are plenty of wrongs that if I see happening I would report....but I think they would involve people getting hurt etc. But reporting a neighbour who you have to live beside for not taxing a car...I just think its not a nice thing to do. Its not right not to tax a car, but I think if my neighbour reported me for such....Id be very peed off about it. Just sayin

Peed off at yourself, surely? The "its not my job" argument should have no place in a decent society. You witnessed someone breaking the law repeatedly over 3 months (in this hypothetical scenario. Your neighbour doesn't give a crap abut the law and is happy to get one back on the guberment. You, as a tax payer, are being hit financially for stuff like this, why be so passive about it?

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 9:13pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Look at the posts above. Nowhere does the UK reg enter the equation, except when you introduced it, then cried strawman. A little ironic that.

I asked would you report a neighbour, you said you would. Its that simple. UK reg is irrelevant.

No, you asked if someone would go snooping to find out if someones tax was out of date - i pointed out that the op observed a car being on UK plates after 2 years. No "snooping" involved.

Bruthal · 21-01-2013 9:13pm

Zambia wrote: »

This thread gives a good insight as to why Ireland is broke

Why, because we dont all spy on our neighbours?

Perhaps you could provide numerical data on the cost of non reporting of neighbours, in comparison with the financial state of the country?

Alrite Chief · 21-01-2013 9:14pm

Zambia wrote: »

This thread gives a good insight as to why Ireland is broke

Absolute nonsense statement.

deckycoop · 21-01-2013 9:15pm

Sorry only read parts off this. But to noel. Do you know tat the Irish government are breaking European law.s by imposing a import duty like vrt...

runawaybishop · 21-01-2013 9:15pm

Bruthal wrote: »

Why, because we dont all spy on our neighbours?

Because of the cavalier attitude to paying tax. Where does it become OK to break the law? Is not paying your tax ok, but using green diesel is bad?

Alrite Chief · 21-01-2013 9:17pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Because of the cavalier attitude to paying tax. Where does it become OK to break the law? Is not paying your tax ok, but using green diesel is bad?

Yeah its just Ireland who have this attitude to paying tax. Ok!!!

VRT and Road Tax Evasion

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