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Do people marry within their class in Ireland?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭Milk & Honey


    There are people on here who wouldn't even go to school with others of a different social class so it is hardly likely they would marry them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Merrion


    Do people marry within their class? Yes but not exclusively. Marriages of choice tend towards choosing the familiar and that includes class. Of course exceptions exist and that makes life more interesting and freshens the somewhat shallow gene pool.
    (The upper class are least likely to marry outside of class and therefore tend to be magnificently inbred)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    inherent contradiction alert.


    what we define as 'social' circle is actually class - class is based on education level usually, but not exclusively. it has little to do with money.

    it aint good or bad. it's socio-biological mate choosing mechanics. sometimes a social set is diverse and crossing- over can occur, but the couple still usually have enough socio-biological similarities.

    not socio-political, - socio-biological

    Technical I agree. However if a person is born and raised in a council flat by default they will become a member of a certain 'class'.

    Now if that person through friends or education beings to socialize with Doctors, Barristers etc do they automatically become a member that class?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    T-K-O wrote: »
    Technical I agree. However if a person is born and raised in a council flat by default they will become a member of a certain 'class'.

    Now if that person through friends or education beings to socialize with Doctors, Barristers etc do they automatically become a member that class?
    by socialise do you mean attend appointments?

    :D

    anyway, shifting to another 'class' aint no thang. you've moved class, is all. so now you marry in that class. (assuming the teacher is ok with it)

    is there class mobility in Ireland? yup, sure is.

    Is their a more 'classless' society in Ireland than other first world countries? nope

    do people (tend) to marry within their class? yup, sure do.

    is there a point in continuing this thread? probably not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I think people marry into their own level more than anything else. Fiachra from blackrock college will generally only marry someone at his level of stereotype. Those who aim high in the world will generally marry high aimers. Low aimers or those happy to live of daddy's income will general marry other people like that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭LeeHoffmann


    What is class? A set of attributes that places you in a certain sociological category...which attributes? Your income, your education, the people you know, your manner of speaking (including your accent, normal tone of voice and gestures), your occupation...these would be the main ones I would think. People who belong to a certain sociological category/class tend to go to the same places or same sort of place - whether that be the local pub, the golf course or charity ball, or universities - largely due to financial reasons. There, like mixes with like until the similarities seem universal and the differences are minimised. Thus a certain way of thinking, dressing and behaving emerges within that class. Classes have a sub culture of their own. Most people feel most comfortable with what's familiar and connect best with those who share their world view and background. Obviously they're also more likely to socialise with those of their own class...so it's no wonder they're more likely to marry within their class. However social mobility is quite possible in Ireland...if you refine your speech, educate yourself to a higher degree and change your usual social hang outs.

    What's funny is we don't all agree about the attributes that make up class but we all recognise particular classes instantly. Somebody once said to me: The lower class derides, the middle class complains, the upper class patronises. Maybe that's why :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    I hate when people start talking about class, and class distinctions. Things can only go downhill from there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    I think it's disgusting to the point of verging on hilarity for anyone to unilaterally decide themselves to be of a superior class to another. It would be funny if it were not so narcissistic and idiotic.

    To embrace class identity is to turn your back on the principles of hard work, human endeavour and all of the other noble struggles of human existence that make us so wonderful, in place of some lazy, hereditary caste system which often has anything but class.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭LeeHoffmann


    I don´t think anyone posted on this thread saying that a segregated class system was a good thing
    ...or did I miss something?


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