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The Ultimate Irish Hunting Knife

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  • #202
    bhanuprakash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭bhanuprakash


    hi
    its wonderful


  • #203
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Was playing around with this idea

    It's probably close to actual size
    compromise3.gif


  • #204
    brieny1000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭brieny1000


    ya ,looks good


  • #205
    lordarpad
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭lordarpad


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    hmm, I'd like a rather pronounced finger guard - that really is the make of break for me I think. preferably also a straight back. Would these be questions for a poll?


  • #206
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    I might be wrong........ but I think we are far from a poll on this part of the build. ...Blade profile [shape]... will be .. I think one of the hardest parts to decide on and it needs to be well thought out.

    Fixed or Folder, Full or Hidden ,that was childs play, compared to what's ahead and you've collectively contributed over 200 posts and almost 4,000 views so far.

    If you really want to design a knife then it's time to get serious.

    Start sketching and start posting or you are wasting my time, your time, and bandwidth to boot.

    Regards

    Davy


  • #207
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Lordarpad

    I dont mean to diminish in anyway what you were suggesting about polls on various aspects of the shape [ie straight back etc.] but in fairness guys if we don't have any basic design suggestions coming through then it's hardly worth the effort. Mellor, JW, DB, Grizzly and yourself of course have submitted ideas. But what about everyone else ? and whats RIGHT rather than wrong with the designs so far ?

    BTW Full tang Wins


  • #208
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    brieny1000 wrote: »
    ya ,looks good

    Chances of this post being considered valid and winning the knife "0"


  • #209
    riflehunter77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭riflehunter77


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    Davey the above idea you are playing about with, I like the shape as for the length its a little bit long for my likeing.I would prefer the blade to be about 1/2 to 3/4 inch smaller.Would have to 2nd Lordarpad in relation to the trigger guard. Here a two similar tradational knives iv come across from around the globe that are a bit similar to your desgin. One is from Argentina and one from Russia, I would be a fan of the Boker with the stag handel from argentina.


  • #210
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    I like the boker above, similar drop point to Davys above and the sketch I did earlier,
    The shape will take alot of messing with, but wait til we get to the handle :D:D


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  • #211
    riflehunter77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭riflehunter77


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    Mellor wrote: »
    I like the boker above, similar drop point to Davys above and the sketch I did earlier,
    The shape will take alot of messing with, but wait til we get to the handle :D:D


    Thinking along these lines for the handle or maybe a bone from a basking shark seen as they been on our shores for centuries. Might get a few rasied eye brows with the basking shark idea :D


  • #212
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    for a one off knife you could use a bone from a irish elk :cool:or bone from your grandmother for a handle ,but for a knife to go into production it has to be a easy sourced material.


  • #213
    lordarpad
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭lordarpad


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    jwshooter wrote: »
    for a one off knife you could use a bone from a irish elk :cool:or bone from your grandmother for a handle ,but for a knife to go into production it has to be a easy sourced material.

    I really think the holly idea is a winner there


  • #214
    brieny1000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭brieny1000


    davymoore wrote: »
    Chances of this post being considered valid and winning the knife "0"
    i didnt post to join competition. i saw that poll was closed so thought that side was over.. i was only giving my opinion on d design u put up!!!!


  • #215
    riflehunter77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭riflehunter77


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    jwshooter wrote: »
    for a one off knife you could use a bone from a irish elk :cool:or bone from your grandmother for a handle ,but for a knife to go into production it has to be a easy sourced material.


    Fair point about finding material that is easy sourced, to be honest im not sure if sheep or goat horn would be strong enough for the handle. But I would like to see somthing like it incorporated into handle. Nice bit of timber,bit sheep/goat horn and why not a bit of basking shark all made into a fine handle it would certinaly be unique. Would be a little different than deer anthler which seems to be used all around the world.
    As for this knife going into production this is unique project for davey and as he says on his website he can only make one knife at a time.


  • #216
    macadam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭macadam


    Yes, Sun 23rd only
    I agree with riflehunter, maybe a wooden handle like ash/oak tipped at the end with goat horn .

    Have to say i find this thread really interseting, with everyone's opinion and different ideas , somehow I think davy has it all sorted .

    Keep her going ....

    Heres one tipped with buffalo horn , just bought it recently handmade by gary mills


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  • #217
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    macadam wrote: »
    somehow I think davy has it all sorted

    I wish ...

    Ok I think blade profile is proving to be a bit of a speed bump at this stage so let's hold off on that for a while. There are some really good ideas ot there though and a drop point or a clip point knife is looking favourable.

    So lets talk blade length what's the preference.

    It should be long enough to dispatch and field dress but not so long as to become cumbersome or dangerous. Others have already discussed how butchering is usually done at home where other knives saws tools would be available.

    If you can try to put both metric and imperial [mm/ins] and we will round off 25mm as 1" and 12mm as 1/2" hope this makes sense.

    For example I'd like a 3 1/2" or 87mm Blade length

    I 'll try to contact a Mod to do another Poll over the weekend.

    Davy


  • #218
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Fixed blade 38, Folding Knife 12 Fixed Blade Wins
    Full Tang 25, Hidden Tang 8 Full Tang Wins


  • #219
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    So if we get new option for a pol, what are we looking at,

    3"/75mm
    3.5"/87mm
    4"/100mm
    4.5"/112mm
    5"125mm

    Should cover everyone,


  • #220
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    That's the basic idea with a few more options either side.
    Hopefully will be up soon and I have asked that it be ended within 3 days as I think that's plenty of time.


  • #221
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    I suppose it's woth remembering that while blade length is not currently a legal issue it just might become one in the future.


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  • #222
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    There's a new poll up now. Let me know if any of ye have trouble voting.


  • #223
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    IRLConor wrote: »
    There's a new poll up now. Let me know if any of ye have trouble voting.

    The poll works fine, thanks IRLConor. The blade length should be easy enough to decide on. Most hunting knives I have owned are/were between four and six inches. For me the six inch blades are too long, Im not skilled enough with knives to be able to use a long blade without making a mess of things. What's I think is important to consider is the ratio of lenght to width. The ratio has to be just right for the knive to feel confortable when using. For a six inch blade Id buy nothing thicker than about 4mm and for a three inch knife I'd look for about 2mm. That just the range I feel comfortable using.


  • #224
    bunny shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭bunny shooter


    No
    I have been using a 6" blade but it is too long and now I am getting a 3.5" blade as it will be better suited to what I want, which is bunnies ;) as my name suggests


  • #225
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    IRLConor wrote: »
    There's a new poll up now. Let me know if any of ye have trouble voting.

    Thanks for your help once again sir.

    Davy


  • #226
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    What's your favourite from these 6 options and why?

    3.jpg


  • #227
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    davymoore wrote: »
    Thanks for your help once again sir.

    You're welcome, and no need to call me sir. :)

    Unless I'm dressed like this.


  • #228
    macadam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭macadam


    Yes, Sun 23rd only
    Blade choice would be C 112mm max and blade thickness 3mm max thats what I would like and as BS said it would only be used on bunnies


  • #229
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    I like the look of both B and F.


  • #230
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    not really gone on any of them C is the best out of a bad lot.


  • #231
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Ok but lets say, If these 6 were the only choices in the world, you have to choose one.

    Which one would it be and WHY that choice


    I'm not saying that we are going to end up with any of the above. I am trying a different way of aproaching the blade style subject.
    There will be other blade styles over the next few days but at the moment concentrate ONLY on this 6


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  • #232
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    where is every one going with blades more than 100mm .we dont live in texas


  • #233
    J.R.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭J.R.


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    Knife A would be my choice - I always like the Bowie Knife look!


  • #234
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    I'd pick B or F davy because of two things. Firstly I like the shape of the cutting edge on these blades. Secondly I like the choil on A, B and F, with the sharp edge ending without a shoulder as is the case on these blades I find it easier to sharpen them.


  • #235
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    jwshooter wrote: »
    we dont live in texas

    Classic, well said, but there are still a fair few cowboys about


  • #236
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    i have seen your work on your wed site and to be honest i like your designs.
    but to like a gun or knife you have to fondle it to love it .
    i know what i like and i like what i know .
    90mm is a lovely length 2 mm wide max ,going to a sharp point .
    if you know **** all about knife lads, dont mess this about as time money blood is involved and thats only davys.


  • #237
    riflehunter77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭riflehunter77


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    C for me like the shape and width..


    As for cowboys about more like johnny rambo and big arnie :D


  • #238
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Now I'm going to ramble on a bit so pay no real heed.....

    So far ye seem to favour

    A. Because of a preference to bowie styled blades
    B&F because of the ricasso shape and ease of sharpening
    C. Because JW wants to stab things :D (sorry mate)

    As you will be aware the finished knife will have properties that should appeal to yourself but will also have to account for the tastes of others and will therefore no doubt lose some ground in certain aspects which appeal to you.

    If I were building a knife for one individual this would be a much easier part of the proccess but trying to build for a group is like trying to herd spiders.

    Having said that I think we are onto something already and if I'm correct this will be a righteous build.

    I think what you guys want is a "Randall Knife" and why the hell not ! Randall Made Knives are among the hardest working and most sought after knives in the world some models can fetch up to $25,000 at auction just to be left sitting in a drawer and drooled over. There are even songs about them

    If I could buy just one knife it would be a Randall Denmark Special but I probably couldn't justify the money (about a grand) because I would take it to the field and abuse the hell out of it that's just me. I've thought about doing a Randall Style build before but never did.

    If I'm right here though, then we could have a knife just as stylish which incorporates every feature you have spoken about but at a fraction of the cost.

    I'll post a few pics in a later post.

    Of course you might hate the sight of them and then I'm just rambling ... Oh dear time to shut up now


  • #239
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Randall Outdoorsman Knives
    outdoorsmen2-big.jpg



    Randall Hunters

    out_a-d.jpg


    Randall Skinners

    skinning-big.jpg

    Photo 1- Model H and Photo 2- Models A or B really float my boat.

    Oh! and if you are thinking of ordering one of these direct, heres a quote from the Randall website.
    *****Important--Please Read Before Ordering****** Current order deliveries are being scheduled for delivery in 58 MONTHS, year 2014. Randall order limit is a single knife every three months per household. Effective November 1, 2007

    That's a five year waiting list. I suppose that's why they make so much money in auction.

    See Here

    Or Here

    Or if you're really nuts


  • #240
    jwshooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭jwshooter


    you must be a millionaire davy ,just hope tax man does not read boards


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  • #241
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    Of the randel knives above, photo 2 knife A does it for me,

    Just a question on blade length, will the length be decided by the single most votes, or an average of the top 2/3 choices.
    for example, say 4.5" is top on 20 votes, and 3.5" and 4" each have 19.
    The top answer is 4.5", but the weighted average would be just over 4", and this choice would be closer to the length wanted by most people


  • #242
    JG97
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭JG97


    Davy it's JohnnyG here from ehh..well you know where....;)


    What a fantastic effort you are putting into this....(everyone else too of course)....You are doing Irish Knifemakers and Craftsmen in general proud....not to mention youself and your good name....superb idea here and i am 100 % behind you in everyway i can....


    I'm sure everyone here who has had and input in this thread has checked out Davy's work....(if you haven't them please do). You couldn't have a better man heading up this project folks....I myself am a "nobody" in the knife world but I do know Davy and I do know his work....He is a very talented and generous man....


    Finally if i may say i am very impressed with the leval of interest in this project. The suggestions and feedback are excellent....well done to everyone and keep it up....


    Davy, my friend, your wife may be right but i don't think you were going to be talked out of it....:D


    Yours sincerly,

    JohnnyG.....


    (first post here so hope all ok *holds breath and press submit* :o)


  • #243
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    JG97 wrote: »
    I myself am a "nobody" in the knife world but I do know Davy and I do know his work....He is a very talented and generous man....

    Flattery will get you everywhere Johnny. :D
    Great to have you on board.


    And as for being a "nobody" I can tell you guys that Johnny is a very knowledgable man about knives and knife craft it will be great to have his input.


    Davy


  • #244
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Mellor wrote: »
    Just a question on blade length, will the length be decided by the single most votes, or an average of the top 2/3 choices.
    for example, say 4.5" is top on 20 votes, and 3.5" and 4" each have 19.
    The top answer is 4.5", but the weighted average would be just over 4", and this choice would be closer to the length wanted by most people

    I believe the weighted average would be the correct way to proceed as the winning vote [choice 1] would possibly be too far removed from choice number 2 to reflect an over all balance. especially if the voting is as close as it currently looks.

    example

    20 votes for 3"
    5 votes for 4"
    21 votes for 5"

    Project length will be 4"

    Davy


  • #245
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    I found this on the internet last night, change the rear quillion to a flat and I think it would make a great hunting knife.
    KnifeAnatomy3.jpg
    Taken from www.jayfisher.com


  • #246
    Grizzly 45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Of the three Davvy supplied blades A C or F does it for me.
    Of the Randal designs E in the outsdoor man selection or A and B in the skinner selection,especially the leather washer grips. I suppose the cheaper version would be the SOG MACV Vietnam commeration knife.:)

    Anyways,I have a nice Irish Fallow deer antler that has a nice angle to it in the stock for a grip,and an inbuilt choil in the eye tine .It is over 40 years old and well preserved and am willing to donate this to the project if Davvy wants it and we decide to go with stag horn for grip material.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • #247
    davymoore
    Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭davymoore


    Yes, Sat 22nd only
    Generous offer thankyou and if we do get to that point then I'll be sure to give you a shout. As for the leather grips I'm afraid that we can't as we are going Full Tang



    If you guys had to choose a GROUP from the Randalls

    would it be
    • The Outdoorsman Group
    • The Hunters Group
    • The Skinners Group

    Remember that the knife has to be an allrounder and has to suit everyone not just the deer hunting boys & girls.


  • #248
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    davymoore wrote: »
    • The Outdoorsman Group
    • The Hunters Group
    • The Skinners Group

    The hunters group for me


  • #249
    Double Barrel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Double Barrel


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    Davy,

    Of the Randall's, Hunters B & C for shape .
    I carry a Beretta 3 blade locking folder mostly when stalking, a 3" pointy blade, saw & a gralloching blade.

    Davy, if you can design a fixed blade to fit all the needs of an experienced deer hunter you will be the first. :D

    Many have tried: Puma Waidmesser :
    [IMG][/img]12235436813210.th.jpg


  • #250
    mallards
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭mallards


    Yes, Sun 23rd only
    Hi Davy,

    Off the outdoors mans knives I prefer H. The knife looks more balanced when compared to its handle than the rest. The point tapers fine enough to carry out delicate work like skinning or cutting in a tight place. The rest of the blade looks more substantial, that it could take a bit of punishment for general cutting and of course the overall blade is easy to sharpen. Although it doesn't look uniquely Irish yet I would be happy if that’s what popped out at the end of this.

    All the best,

    Mallards


  • #251
    riflehunter77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭riflehunter77


    Maybe, I don't know yet.
    If you guys had to choose a GROUP from the Randalls

    would it be
    • The Outdoorsman Group
    • The Hunters Group
    • The Skinners Group
    Remember that the knife has to be an allrounder and has to suit everyone not just the deer hunting boys & girls.[/quote]


    The Hunters group for me but with shorter blade 3.5 to 4 inch max


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