Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

CramCycle · 29-09-2015 11:58am

I have told this story before where a Garda pulled over a driver for running a red light in front of him.
Her reason was she could not see the lights due to the low setting sun.
His response was to pull over the car and park until it was safe to drive. HR should have done her for dangerous driving.

If the sun is in your eyes and you cannot see. You should either not be driving or solve the problem before continuing. The setting sun is not an excuse for a drivers poor choices.

If the sun is in my eyes. I either put on my glasses, pull over and walk or go in a different direction. I do not plough on regardless.

tigerboon · 29-09-2015 12:34pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I have told this story before where a Garda pulled over a driver for running a red light in front of him.
Her reason was she could not see the lights due to the low setting sun.
His response was to pull over the car and park until it was safe to drive. HR should have done her for dangerous driving.

If the sun is in your eyes and you cannot see. You should either not be driving or solve the problem before continuing. The setting sun is not an excuse for a drivers poor choices.

If the sun is in my eyes. I either put on my glasses, pull over and walk or go in a different direction. I do not plough on regardless.

If you care to read back a bit you'll see I wasn't the one doing the ploughing on.

CramCycle · 29-09-2015 12:42pm

tigerboon wrote: »

If you care to read back a bit you'll see I wasn't the one doing the ploughing on.

And I wasn't having a go at you. I was simply pointing out that if vision is impaired, either take appropriate remedial action or stop at the first opportunity. It was directed at anyone who thinks that not doing so is OK.

tomasrojo · 02-10-2015 1:48pm

Hiviz'ed animals again. Was it chickens the last time?

Dartmoor ponies daubed with glow-in-dark paint to cut road deaths
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/02/dartmoor-ponies-glow-in-dark-paint-cut-road-deaths?CMP=twt_gu

CramCycle · 02-10-2015 3:09pm

At least the Steemson guy recognises the fault is with speeding motorists and not the animals.

Article should be: Motorists in area won't drive with due care and attention so we have to paint animals.

eeeee · 02-10-2015 5:46pm

Ah ffs. :mad:

From the same article:

"Steemson said there would be no need for the project if motorists drove with greater caution across the moor. “People should slow down. When they cross a cattle grid, they ought to realise that animals could be around and drive carefully.” "

Ok but don't bother we'll just paint the animals who have been living there for thousands of years instead :rolleyes:. Argh!

tomasrojo · 03-10-2015 12:27pm

More from the UK: some interest in Ireland's growing hi-viz culture.
https://twitter.com/AlternativeDfT/status/650067665428566018

HT @IrishCycle

Qualitymark · 03-10-2015 12:30pm

Ireland is turning into India, becoming a country where unnecessary paperwork and nonsensical rules make society unworkable.

I took the train to Belfast yesterday, and was required to fill out a form "because you're crossing the Border". Thought it might be because of using the travel pass, so on the way back asked a Nordie pensioner if he had to fill out a form to travel south. Nope.

OleRodrigo · 03-10-2015 12:52pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Ireland is turning into India, becoming a country where unnecessary paperwork and nonsensical rules make society unworkable.

I took the train to Belfast yesterday, and was required to fill out a form "because you're crossing the Border". Thought it might be because of using the travel pass, so on the way back asked a Nordie pensioner if he had to fill out a form to travel south. Nope.

Don't knock bureaucracy - keeps a lot of folks ( without many transferable skills ) working in the civil service

. Was it a survey? I found the enterprise train to Belfast one of the better journeys, maybe because it was NI Railways as opposed to Irish rail - a whole coach to store my bike.

Qualitymark · 03-10-2015 1:00pm

OleRodrigo wrote: »

Don't knock bureaucracy - keeps a lot of folks ( without many transferable skills ) working in the civil service . Was it a survey? I found the enterprise train to Belfast one of the better journeys, maybe because it was NI Railways as opposed to Irish rail - a whole coach to store my bike.

Not a survey, a New Rule, or so I was told.

The Enterprise trains weren't great yesterday - no plugs or wifi on the way back, for instance; they were, according to my northern pensioner advisor, commuter trains that were being used while the real trains are away getting polished or something.

traprunner · 03-10-2015 1:09pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Not a survey, a New Rule, or so I was told.

The Enterprise trains weren't great yesterday - no plugs or wifi on the way back, for instance; they were, according to my northern pensioner advisor, commuter trains that were being used while the real trains are away getting polished or something.

I believe that the carriages are being refitted and modernised.

eeeee · 04-10-2015 9:48am

Qualitymark wrote: »

Not a survey, a New Rule, or so I was told.

The Enterprise trains weren't great yesterday - no plugs or wifi on the way back, for instance; they were, according to my northern pensioner advisor, commuter trains that were being used while the real trains are away getting polished or something.

I've had to fill out the form for the last ten years, it's been about a while.

Qualitymark · 04-10-2015 9:55am

gadetra wrote: »

I've had to fill out the form for the last ten years, it's been about a while.

Weird that southerners have to fill it out going north, while those dangerous northerners don't have to fill it out going south! And what on earth happens to all those forms!

HivemindXX · 04-10-2015 11:33am

Qualitymark wrote: »

Weird that southerners have to fill it out going north, while those dangerous northerners don't have to fill it out going south! And what on earth happens to all those forms!

I've crossed the border dozens of times and I've never been asked to fill out a form.

I hope anyone who tries to tell me that wearing hi-viz is my social responsibility is prepared to be told loudly and repeatedly to go **** themselves.

Qualitymark · 04-10-2015 12:00pm

HivemindXX wrote: »

I've crossed the border dozens of times and I've never been asked to fill out a form.

Obviously @Gadetra and I are particularly dodgy-looking types with shifty eyes.

galwaycyclist · 04-10-2015 12:29pm

HivemindXX wrote: »

I've crossed the border dozens of times and I've never been asked to fill out a form.

I hope anyone who tries to tell me that wearing hi-viz is my social responsibility is prepared to be told loudly and repeatedly to go **** themselves.

Me neither - but I was in my "nice car" every time. Maybe its only public transport users who have to fill in forms?

Dodgy types them PT users - its only right to make the fill in a form or two.

Edit: of course now that I think about it, I was probably photographed from several different angles.

traprunner · 04-10-2015 2:00pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Obviously @Gadetra and I are particularly dodgy-looking types with shifty eyes.

As shifty as these?

ezra_ · 04-10-2015 3:54pm

I wear hi-viz when I'm cycling in or after dusk.
I also wear if walking during the same period.

I don't care what anyone else does, none of my business.

CramCycle · 04-10-2015 4:32pm

gadetra wrote: »

I've had to fill out the form for the last ten years, it's been about a while.

I have never been asked to fill it out. The only person I have ever heard of something like this happen to me is a good friend who was singled out for ID on the enterprise train by Gardai. Nothing to do with her Asian ancestory I am sure or being the only non white irish. CoincIdentally in line with a rise in illegal immigrant scare mongering in the red tops.

Is the form you are asked for from the rail company / marketing company or an actual government form. I imagine it's the former dressed up as the latter. Marketing companies are known for this on Irish rail many notably imitating rail staff on trains in the past.

Qualitymark · 04-10-2015 6:18pm

Government, I think, though I didn't look too closely. I was travelling on a decrepitcy pass, thought it might be to do with that. I've never been asked to fill it out before, though it's a couple of years since I've been north - the station for Dublin was the Europa one when I was last there.

eeeee · 06-10-2015 1:18pm

Yup it's with what I like to call the spa pass. It's so NI get the cost of us back I think for our journey up there I think. It's done from where you get your ticket.

That, and the shifty eyes

Eamonnator · 06-10-2015 1:46pm

gadetra wrote: »

Yup it's with what I like to call the spa pass. It's so NI get the cost of us back I think for our journey up there I think. It's done from where you get your ticket.

That, and the shifty eyes

I have one of those passes. I don't like to call it a spa pass.In fact, I find that expression to be quite offensive.

eeeee · 06-10-2015 1:53pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

I have one of those passes. I don't like to call it a spa pass.In fact, I find that expression to be quite offensive.

Fair enough, it's an offensive term, no offense meant to other holders. I still call mine that though cos I got it for physical rather than age reasons.

I also qualify as a para-athete, and was talking to a para Trackie about it all, and that's how we addressed each other. Same as when I was in hospital with similarly bandy people. A term of endearment for us but not for everyone

Qualitymark · 06-10-2015 10:25pm

gadetra wrote: »

Yup it's with what I like to call the spa pass. It's so NI get the cost of us back I think for our journey up there I think. It's done from where you get your ticket.

That, and the shifty eyes

Funny, in that case, that the northern pass-holders don't have to fill out forms when coming south…?

eeeee · 06-10-2015 10:40pm

Qualitymark wrote: »

Funny, in that case, that the northern pass-holders don't have to fill out forms when coming south…?

No idea!

CramCycle · 06-10-2015 11:30pm

I still think you have been duped by a marketing company. There is certainly no legal precedent for such a form AFAIK.

eeeee · 06-10-2015 11:41pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I still think you have been duped by a marketing company. There is certainly no legal precedent for such a form AFAIK.

It's definitely not marketing, it's a money thing. It only takes your station destination, your pass number and name I think, actually I think it's pretty much just your destination and pass number. Blue/navy and white form. It's been a year since I filled one out.

Qualitymark · 07-10-2015 7:10am

I think the ticket man also asked me the reason for my trip, and then he filled out a bunch more sections at speed. But again, why is it filled out south-north, but not north-south?

CramCycle · 07-10-2015 10:19am

Its an irish rail thing then, not a legal requirement.

Trying to judge the market they are catering for. Would be far easier if they just added a questionnaire on their online purchasing. The Wexford train would have them now and again.

eeeee · 07-10-2015 11:07am

Qualitymark wrote: »

I think the ticket man also asked me the reason for my trip, and then he filled out a bunch more sections at speed. But again, why is it filled out south-north, but not north-south?

Oh now I think we're on about different forms!

Yours sounds much more exciting. I have an irrational love of forms. I could fill them out all day

Yeah it's an IE money thing Cram, I can't get a ticket up north without it. It's not even a good form, it has hardly any questions. Never had to fill one put going anywhere else, I'm disappointed now :pac: Can't get tickets on the net or at a machine with a pass which is annoying!

Harrybelafonte · 07-10-2015 11:54am

Forms? You have little to worry about, why in my youth border crossings involved the emptying of cars by the army or customs, a bit of verbal abuse and definitely some sneering. Flying in to Belfast airport meant you got special attention at security in airports and the dodgiest sight in the UK seems to have been having a beard and a northern accent while carrying shopping bags. Forms, pft and all that.

dub_skav · 07-10-2015 12:03pm

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Forms? You have little to worry about, why in my youth border crossings involved the emptying of cars by the army or customs, a bit of verbal abuse and definitely some sneering. Flying in to Belfast airport meant you got special attention at security in airports and the dodgiest sight in the UK seems to have been having a beard and a northern accent while carrying shopping bags. Forms, pft and all that.

Often by a number of camouflaged soldiers appearing out of the hedges to stop you.
To get back on topic, if the soldiers had been wearing Hi-Vis I wouldn't have needed to change my underpants so often.

eeeee · 07-10-2015 1:01pm

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

Forms? You have little to worry about, why in my youth border crossings involved the emptying of cars by the army or customs, a bit of verbal abuse and definitely some sneering. Flying in to Belfast airport meant you got special attention at security in airports and the dodgiest sight in the UK seems to have been having a beard and a northern accent while carrying shopping bags. Forms, pft and all that.

My dad was a lorry driver and he used to take me with him going up north so they go at least a bit easier in him. Not sure if it worked though, they used to absolutely reef the lorry out of it. Whilst you stood there under the guns. Never crossed without being searched. Even with mini me there!

Forms rock. Doesn't matter how busy I am or what I'm doing, those neat little boxes and rectangles after questions made my brain go 'aaaah' (happy sigh!). Ticking boxes is a particular favourite

Melodeon · 24-10-2015 8:09pm

Saw this over in YLYL and thought you guys might like it:

tomasrojo · 29-10-2015 1:16pm

One of the country’s most senior gardaí has backed a proposal by a consultation group to make it compulsory for pedestrians and cyclists to wear high-visibility jackets during the hours of darkness.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bid-to-make-high-vis-jackets-compulsory-to-save-lives-361899.html

Seems to be related to roads with speed limits higher than 50km/h

Not sure how much chance it has.

EDIT: actually, they seem to be calling for daytime and nightime hi-viz on roads with speed limits higher than 50km/h. Bit hard to tell from this:

He said the committee should also call on the environment minister and the Road Safety Authority to make it mandatory for walkers, runners, cyclists, and all people in charge of animals to wear high-visibility jackets in areas outside 50km/h speed limits.

tigerboon · 29-10-2015 1:33pm

mandatory for walkers, runners, cyclists, and all people in charge of animals to wear high-visibility jackets in areas outside 50km/h speed limits.

Anybody outside a vehicle in other words.

Lumen · 29-10-2015 1:36pm

If only there was a law that required cyclists to use lights in the hours of darkness...

rollingscone · 29-10-2015 1:37pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bid-to-make-high-vis-jackets-compulsory-to-save-lives-361899.html

Seems to be related to roads with speed limits higher than 50km/h

Not sure how much chance it has.

EDIT: actually, they seem to be calling for daytime and nightime hi-viz on roads with speed limits higher than 50km/h. Bit hard to tell from this:

It's getting hard to keep satire ahead of reality:

https://twitter.com/Flaminghobo1/status/656972345928777728?s=09

mcgratheoin · 29-10-2015 1:38pm

Lumen wrote: »

If only there was a law that required cyclists to use lights in the hours of darkness...

Or vehicles to keep below a specific speed...

Macy0161 · 29-10-2015 1:41pm

They don't enforce the laws regarding bicycle lights (well they don't enforce for most road offences for all road users), but want to bring in another law that they won't enforce either?

CramCycle · 29-10-2015 1:47pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

They don't enforce the laws regarding bicycle lights (well they don't enforce for most road offences for all road users), but want to bring in another law that they won't enforce either?

Its basically a law to lessen the burden on motor insurance. If they don't have hi vis, then it must be there fault, even if they have lights, maybe use a phone as a light (seen several walkers do this to alert cars) or are in a well lit urban environment where it should have been expected to meet pedestrians as they jump a red light.

tomasrojo · 29-10-2015 2:04pm

If I understand the article (and it's so vaguely written that I might not have), people walking at night anywhere should wear hi-viz?

That's the end of anyone who wants to meet a lovely lady/gentleman at the weekend walking to venues. Plenty of drunk drivers. Result!

brianomc · 29-10-2015 2:07pm

And when everyone is wearing their hi-vis and motorists are still knocking down pedestrians what will be the next excuse for not accepting responsibility*

*assuming pedestrian didnt just walk out in front of the car/that the cyclists lights were working

Beasty · 29-10-2015 2:23pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

If I understand the article (and it's so vaguely written that I might not have), people walking at night anywhere should wear hi-viz?

That's the end of anyone who wants to meet a lovely lady/gentleman at the weekend walking to venues. Plenty of drunk drivers. Result!

Reading the article and the reference to not being seen until 50m away suggests it was primarily written about pedestrians and perhaps someone thought it should be extended to cyclists for "good measure", completely ignoring the fact there are already lighting rules governing cyclists (and indeed the law sees us as "drivers", not "pedestrians that happen to be on a bike")

Clearly though it's using that 50 km/h speed limit to avoid extension to walking in (most!) built-up areas

eeeee · 29-10-2015 2:31pm

Oh they can fcuk right off with that utter shyte. Once again teh onus of responsibility is on the cyclist and pedestrian to avoid the poor motorist, who can't even blithely fly along on roads at 50kph+ paying scant attention.

The stupidity and backwards thinking that goes into these schemes never ceases to amaze me. :mad:

Message: Drivers, pay less attention, if you hit a cyclist or pedestrian who isn't wearing high-viz it's their fault! How inconsiderate of them to assume you might be paying attention. Unless a more balanced and holistic view is put forward, we are going to end up in a New York style situation where motorists are absolved of almost all responsibility on the roads, instead it's everyone else's fault.

tomasrojo · 29-10-2015 2:50pm

Beasty wrote: »

Reading the article and the reference to not being seen until 50m away suggests it was primarily written about pedestrians and perhaps someone thought it should be extended to cyclists for "good measure", completely ignoring the fact there are already lighting rules governing cyclists (and indeed the law sees us as "drivers", not "pedestrians that happen to be on a bike")

Clearly though it's using that 50 km/h speed limit to avoid extension to walking in (most!) built-up areas

Yeah, it's not very clear, though it seems to say that pedestrians and cyclists should wear hi-viz jackets at night, and in addition to that, everyone not in a vehicle should wear a jacket where the speed limit exceeds 50km/h.

I'm probably over-thinking this, which is not an accusation which could be levelled at the originators of the idea.

29-10-2015 2:52pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

Yeah, it's not very clear, though it seems to say that pedestrians and cyclists should wear hi-viz jackets at night, and in addition to that, everyone not in a vehicle should wear a jacket where the speed limit exceeds 50km/h.

I'm probably over-thinking this, which is not an accusation which could be levelled at the originators of the idea.

the extension of 'everyone should wear hi vis in the day' is surely that all cars need to be painted hi vis?

IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE

dreamerb · 29-10-2015 3:25pm

And what about leg tax? All these people having the gall to use roads paid for from motor tax. I'll respect them on the roads when they pay for them like we motorists do. Numpties cycling and walking like they think they're entitled to road space, expecting drivers to pay attention.

And there should be a proper test. And insurance. What if my car gets scratched, who's going to pay for that?

/endreductioadevenabsurderamofstupididearant

arybvtcw0eolkf · 29-10-2015 4:58pm

Anyone know where I can pick up a hi-viz backpack cover?.

I was told they're on the RSA website but I'm damned if I can find any.

CramCycle · 29-10-2015 5:02pm

Frances Ugly Shopkeeper wrote: »

Anyone know where I can pick up a hi-viz backpack cover?.

I was told they're on the RSA website but I'm damned if I can find any.

They probably only have yellow ones on with dull grey striping as opposed to hi vis but here it is:
http://rsa.pmms.ie/ProductMoreInfo.aspx?ProductID=RUCKCVR

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