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N22 - Tralee Bypass (under construction)

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Whats the Minister for Defense doing opening roads?

    The Tralee bypass will actually be a military road and critical part of our defense network and allow for faster access to West Kerry in the event of a Kerry uprising similar to the Munster Republic of 1922. ;)

    Either that or Gombeen politics at work!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    tech2 wrote: »
    Yeah they are totally different schemes. I cant find the link to this:

    Supporting link here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭North Cork


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/healy-rae-demands-hospital-and-bypass-for-supporting-budget-480421.html

    JackieHealyRaeBILLYHIGGINS.jpg
    04/11/2010 - 12:56:28
    Independent TD Jackie Healy Rae said today that there are a number of things he wants from the Government in order to secure his support for the Budget.

    The Government will announce its spending plans for the next four years this afternoon ahead of next month's Budget for 2011.

    The Kerry South TD has told Radio Kerry however that he wants a guarantee that a new hospital in Kenmare will go ahead, among other demands.

    "There are several things that I expect them to do for me, and that’s including the Tralee Bypass," he said.

    we love you jackie bring on BAM :D:D:D:D:D:D








  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    North Cork wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/healy-rae-demands-hospital-and-bypass-for-supporting-budget-480421.html
    JackieHealyRaeBILLYHIGGINS.jpg
    04/11/2010 - 12:56:28
    Independent TD Jackie Healy Rae said today that there are a number of things he wants from the Government in order to secure his support for the Budget.

    The Government will announce its spending plans for the next four years this afternoon ahead of next month's Budget for 2011.

    The Kerry South TD has told Radio Kerry however that he wants a guarantee that a new hospital in Kenmare will go ahead, among other demands.

    "There are several things that I expect them to do for me, and that’s including the Tralee Bypass," he said.

    we love you jackie bring on BAM Healy Rae Plant hire :D:D:D:D:D:D







    FYP! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Ah Irish Politics :D

    "I'll vote for the tough budget that'll aim to save the country if you do something for my local parish pump"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Ironically, Jackie is a TD for Kerry South constituency so it's intriguing that he has listed a Kerry North development like Tralee bypass in his list of demands. While Castleisland bypass was also a Kerry North development, it significantly benefitted Kerry South constituents as it was their main access gateway to Limerick/Dublin so I could see his motivation for that demand. I'm not so sure about why the Tralee bypass is so important for Jackie or people living in South Kerry as he can get no votes from North Kerry

    I generally try and support developments that benefit the common good of the country over parochial vote chasing type developments but as someone who originally comes from Tralee and vists there on a monthly basis, anything that can fast track this bypass will be applauded by me!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Ironically, Jackie is a TD for Kerry South constituency so it's intriguing that he has listed a Kerry North development like Tralee bypass in his list of demands. While Castleisland bypass was also a Kerry North development, it significantly benefitted Kerry South constituents as it was their main access gateway to Limerick/Dublin so I could see his motivation for that demand. I'm not so sure about why the Tralee bypass is so important for Jackie or people living in South Kerry as he can get no votes from North Kerry

    I generally try and support developments that benefit the common good of the country over parochial vote chasing type developments but as someone who originally comes from Tralee and vists there on a monthly basis, anything that can fast track this bypass will be applauded by me!

    The Tralee bypass is squarely in North Kerry, however CastleIsland is now a part of the Killarney electoral division for the County Council and is thus represented by Jackie Healy Rae's other son Danny.

    Michael Healy Rae is a councillor in the Killorglin electoral division and represents his home town Kilgarvan, before the boundary change Kilgarvan was a part of the Killarney electoral district and in the previous election (2004) Danny Healy Rae only barely got elected to hold Jackie's council seat and the local vote in Kilgarvan held him there.

    With Kilgarvan gone Danny's camp had to get new votes elsewhere and tapped into virgin territory in Castleisland and focused hugely there with the bypass as the main promise. As a result Danny Healy Rae topped the Killarney poll in 2009 and another project they have "promised" is a new bridge on the N72 at Barradubh village.

    The Healy Rae's are playing local tiny politics to the detriment of the entire country. They are not interested in deficits or NAMA all they care about is getting roads done, why you may ask? Well because themselves are some of the main contractors on these projects and thus are only out to line their own pockets albeit in a legitimate way; although it is still morally wrong if you ask me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    I can't see why this road has such priority. Even in relation to Tralee, building Adare to Abbeyfeale would do a hell of alot more for Tralee and indeed Kerry in general than this will.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    Adro947 wrote: »
    I can't see why this road has such priority. Even in relation to Tralee, building Adare to Abbeyfeale would do a hell of alot more for Tralee and indeed Kerry in general than this will.

    Agree fully with this. Why the NRA have prioritized the Tralee bypass over the Adare-Abbeyfeale scheme is mind-bogling! Every town along the N21 through county Limerick adds at least 10 mins each to the journey which is not good enough IMO. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    30 Nov 2010

    Work on Tralee Bypass not to start till mid 2011

    The tender process for the Tralee bypass has been suspended temporarily. Kerry County Council says the archeological survey has revealed some issues that need further examination and it has decided to suspend the tender process until this is complete.

    The tenders should reopen in January and expect to be completed in February. The council estimates that it will be mid 2011 by the time a contractor is in place and work can get underway. Last week the Department of Transport confirmed that the project would go ahead next year despite cutbacks contained in the Governments 4 year plan

    http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/


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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    The pause in the tendering process is not anticipated to significantly impact on the expected construction commencement date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Kerry County Council says the archeological survey has revealed some issues

    The Tralee bypass, a.k.a. GCOB mk 2 - someone will read this, find evidence of a settlement or something and the project will get shelved because of the uproar over the M3 :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 atomohawk


    If they scaled it back from a dual carraigeway to an ordinary road like the 'bracker reagan' road it might have a better chance of getting funding.No need then for flyovers etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    The funding is already in place.
    Construction is due to commence mid-2011.
    Up on eTenders at the moment, is the tender for arch. investigation of a specific site.
    btw, dual carriageway is needed.
    atomohawk wrote: »
    If they scaled it back from a dual carraigeway to an ordinary road like the 'bracker reagan' road it might have a better chance of getting funding.No need then for flyovers etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    atomohawk wrote: »
    If they scaled it back from a dual carraigeway to an ordinary road like the 'bracker reagan' road it might have a better chance of getting funding.No need then for flyovers etc.
    it is a dual carriageway and I do believe it is needed. But as far as I know all junctions on it will be roundabouts - hope i am wrong on this


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭tharlear


    If they scaled it back from a dual carraigeway to an ordinary road like the 'bracker reagan' road it might have a better chance of getting funding.No need then for flyovers etc.

    maybe you thing now that there is no need for flyovers, but then you have F'ing roundabouts. If they cannot afford flyover in the current econ. climiate then lay it out for flyovers and stick in a roundabout until it can be done correctly.

    If you like roundabouts try driving from oranmore in galway to cappagh road. sixteen roundabourts in approx 17Km. Enough to drive anyone around the bend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Tralee does not need a host of flyovers and GSJs. The need for dual carriageway is speculative at best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    There will be one compact GSJ on the scheme and 5 roundabouts on the mainline in total. The need for 2+2 is evident on the AADT running on the N21 from the N22/N21 junction to Tralee. Also it wont be far off capacity by design year 2026.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 atomohawk


    'Also it wont be far off capacity by design year 2026.'
    Whats happening in 2026? Are we getting the olympics?

    looks to me like present traffic approaching tralee from killarney side will be split in 3. {left for dingle, straight for town and right for listowel etc.} Cant see need for dual carraigeway. Bit busy for hour in morning and evening but very quiet otherwise (apart from boy racers of course)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    The preliminary design report is actually a very intestering read if anyone of you have not seen it already. It gives some great detail into the construction of the overbridges and the underpasses and gives reasons why it should not go over the road.

    For instance on one page it refers to the Ballyseedy road that it would be ideal if the road went under the N22 Tralee Access road instead due to:
    • Several watercourses in the immediate vicinity which would lead to drainage issues
    • Liebherr Cranes use the N22 Tralee-Killarney road meaning a higher headroom
    • The existing stone arch bridge on the local rd is identied as a cultural heritage site
    • Use of overbridges on single carriageways is not encouraged
    • Embankments would require quite a large amount of matieral due to the headroom

    I'm amazed at the amount of detail listed on the report which refers to the junctions on the bypass itself. There will be 5 roundabouts with one compact grade seperated junction. In this case it will be a Left in only juntion at Clash to prevent queues on the mainline running up to the roundabout at peak times.

    Two local roads will cross over the bypass: L2020 and L6510

    The other threee structures will be underpasses or underbridges which cross over the River Lee, Tralee-Mallow railway line and L6547.

    Another little point I find is on type 2 dual carriageways is that if a road approaching it is under 1,000 AADT then a junction is not required. The resulting low AADT road would go under or over the mainline. Usually for the local road over 1,000 AADT it would be a T junction on 2+2 or Left in-Left out used.

    Would anyone have a detailed map of the Left-In only junction on the bypass? It would be just a slip road before approaching the roundabout junction for Clash. Oh and the preliminary report is here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 AerialPhoto.ie


    Archaeological excavations are ongoing on the Tralee Bypass at the moment so there won't be any construction works taking place until that phase of the project is completed.

    In the meantime some aerial pics of the route posted on our project blog at:
    http://www.aerialphoto.ie/2011/02/18/tralee-bypass-aerial-photography/

    Hope they are of interest.


    tralee_bypass_southern_junction_with_killarney_road-300x200.jpg
    Junction with N22 Killarney Road


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    Thanks AerialPhoto.ie for those excellent photos. I heard the project is expected to start during the summer of this year.

    I still think this scheme should not go to construction as it's clearly not as important as other road schemes in the country. We have several national primary roads that are inadequate for the amount of users on those routes. Even upgrading the N21 from Abbeyfeale-Adare would be more beneficial to the people of Tralee and the surrounding areas than to provide a bypass of the town. The design is flawed in that the N86 is not being linked to the bypass and I from what I gather is this scheme is solely going ahead due to the proposed Global pharmaceutical centre of excellence promising 4000 jobs to the area of Tralee.

    I find it quite disturbing to fund a road scheme on a pure fantasy project. The proposed centre of excellence is basically an idea from a group of people looking for investment of €4 billion and €40 million from the government to build a R&D centre. I cant see this coming to fruition and its an absolute disgrace to see other roads like the N24, N17, N5 and N15 for example missing out on part-investment due to this white elephant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Tech3 wrote: »
    Thanks AerialPhoto.ie for those excellent photos.

    Yes, thanks very much indeed!
    I heard the project is expected to start during the summer of this year.

    I still think this scheme should not go to construction as it's clearly not as important as other road schemes in the country....and I from what I gather is this scheme is solely going ahead due to the proposed Global pharmaceutical centre of excellence promising 4000 jobs to the area of Tralee.

    Seriously? Wow. If that's the case, it says a lot about how badly scheme prioritisation is carried out. The upgraded N28 could generate a return of over €50 billion after all. That particular scheme delivers serious bang per buck spent, particularly seen as how it will be only 13km long. I really hope that Coveney commands the NRA to advance it to EIS stage at least if he becomes transport minister.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Surely if they are setting up a "Global centre for Pharma Excellence" then it should be in Cork where all our Pharma expertise is? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    Tech3 wrote: »
    Thanks AerialPhoto.ie for those excellent photos. I heard the project is expected to start during the summer of this year.

    I still think this scheme should not go to construction as it's clearly not as important as other road schemes in the country. We have several national primary roads that are inadequate for the amount of users on those routes. Even upgrading the N21 from Abbeyfeale-Adare would be more beneficial to the people of Tralee and the surrounding areas than to provide a bypass of the town. The design is flawed in that the N86 is not being linked to the bypass and I from what I gather is this scheme is solely going ahead due to the proposed Global pharmaceutical centre of excellence promising 4000 jobs to the area of Tralee.

    I find it quite disturbing to fund a road scheme on a pure fantasy project. The proposed centre of excellence is basically an idea from a group of people looking for investment of €4 billion and €40 million from the government to build a R&D centre. I cant see this coming to fruition and its an absolute disgrace to see other roads like the N24, N17, N5 and N15 for example missing out on part-investment due to this white elephant.

    I agree with you that the Adare to Abbeyfeale road would actually benefit Tralee and hinterland motorists who regularly travel to Limerick/Dublin/elsewhere better than a bypass of Tralee and should have been given priority if the focus is on overall national connectivity............However, there is a large amount of local traffic in Tralee/Kerry that suffers daily chronic congestion due to the inferior infrastructure in and around Tralee. Tailbacks approaching the town from the current merged N21/22 can run to several miles on a bad day. Many motorists have to come right into the town to continue on their journeys to Listowel/Killorglin etc. The bypass will make a tremendous difference to the quality of life of motorists who want to come into Tralee and those who don't as existing roads will be freed up. The vast majority of these motorists use these local roads daily but may only use the national roads to Limerick/Dublin etc on an infrequent basis so these considerations should also be incorporated into priority assessements....................Finally, if there is x amount of funding that can deliver a bypass for Tralee but there wouldn't be sufficient funding for a larger project like the Adare to Abbeyfeale upgrade, is it not better that the funds are used to construct some road improvements than none at all?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    ongarboy wrote: »
    Finally, if there is x amount of funding that can deliver a bypass for Tralee but there wouldn't be sufficient funding for a larger project like the Adare to Abbeyfeale upgrade, is it not better that the funds are used to construct some road improvements than none at all?

    I agree that the funds are not available this year for such a scheme but I would rather have it in the kitty for next year so a much more beneficial new road is built on either the N21, N5, N17, N24 or N15 for example. The other scheme I'm dubious about is the N4 Downs grade seperation. The AADT on that stetch is not high enough to cause issues on the at-grade junctions.

    I dont believe in spending on minor schemes just because they are cheap we have the funds available, we should be looking at saving for the more beneficial projects in this country even if it took a year or two to save it for one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭fresca


    Both arguments are valid here...

    yes people spend ages stuck in traffic around the entrance to town on n21.
    but also, improving both the n21 and n22 would be beneficial.

    just last weekend, i travelled from tralee to galway.
    more than half the time was spent getting to adare.
    from adare to galway city just went swimmingly ... motorway, tunnel, dual-carriageway, motorway...
    but jeez the tralee to adare drive was hard work!!

    and as for tralee to cork ... don't get me started.. this road is so bad it just cracks me up!
    (but hey, the m20 cork-limerick must take priority over the n22)


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    So any news on when this will officially start?
    Are they doing the Tralee to Bealagrellagh section as a separate phase or will they be doing this and the N69 to N70 C-Ring all as one project?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭flutered


    the contractor is waiting for the go ahead, i am led to believe that it will take two years to complete.


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    That's good to hear.

    The idea of having a separate N22 approach to the town is better than the late 90s proposal to make the N21 approach into a 2 lane each way dual carriageway, as all that traffic would still have been feed into single lane standard.

    When the bypass and N22 approach are completed quite a number of new options of going into or bypassing the town become available, hence one will be able to bypass the Manor shopping center traffic, which really should never have been located on the only National Primary route into the town. It would be interesting to see how traffic will split up when approaching from the Cork and Limerick roads, sort of like load balancing on a mesh network to use an IT term.

    I believe the council have advanced plans for continuing a ring road west of the N69 possibly as far connecting to the N86 Dingle road, I'm sketchy on the details of this though, can anyone enlighten me?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    from Radio Kerry News:

    BAM Construction has won the contract for the Tralee Bypass. The project involves four routes; the N69 Tralee-Listowel road at Forge Cross; the N22 near Ballygarry Hotel, to the N71 Tralee-Killorglin road; the N71 joining the Tralee-Killarney at Bealagreallagh; the Tralee Bypass to Forge Cross on the Listowel Road; Last year, the tender process for the Tralee bypass was suspended temporarily, due to issues thrown up by the archeological survey. The Department of Transport confirmed the project would go ahead this year despite cutbacks contained in the Governments 4 year plan. Fine Gael Councillor Jim Finucane says contracts between BAM and Kerry County Council are currently being finalised.

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    dmeehan wrote: »
    from Radio Kerry News:




    :D

    Every route number is wrong on that report except the N69. N22 should be N21 (The road won't even lead to the N22 after this as I see it.) and the N71 (In reality Killarney-Bantry-Bandon-Cork) should be N70.


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    dmeehan wrote: »
    from Radio Kerry News:
    BAM Construction has won the contract for the Tralee Bypass. The project involves four routes; the N69 Tralee-Listowel road at Forge Cross; the N22 near Ballygarry Hotel, to the N71 Tralee-Killorglin road; the N71 joining the Tralee-Killarney at Bealagreallagh; the Tralee Bypass to Forge Cross on the Listowel Road; Last year, the tender process for the Tralee bypass was suspended temporarily, due to issues thrown up by the archeological survey. The Department of Transport confirmed the project would go ahead this year despite cutbacks contained in the Governments 4 year plan. Fine Gael Councillor Jim Finucane says contracts between BAM and Kerry County Council are currently being finalised.

    :D

    The only thing I got out of the Radio Kerry news report is the contract been won. I think the actual name of the contractor is BAM Civil. Almost everything else on that report is a soup of inaccuracy and confusion, pity because to me it's the biggest news story for the town in donkey's years.

    Main thing is the contract has been won (hopefully that implies awarded), and Tralee can count itself lucky on this one, as it looked like this would be cut with the state of the finances. I still would like to hear the words, "contract is signed". Congratulation to all those involved for keeping the pressure on to make this happen. If this helps in some way in furthering the development of the Pharmaceutical Research Center project in Tralee it will be all the more worth it.

    The project is historical in terms of infrastructure to Tralee, probably eclipsing the Tralee ship canal, and the arrival of the railway. Tralee for its size was one of the last towns left with a primarily radial road layout with few options to avoid the center. Can't wait to see it come to fruition. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    In the preliminary report it says:
    The basis for the provision of roundabouts on the Tralee Bypass Type 2 Dual Carriageway has
    been determined in accordance with paragraphs 2.26, 2.27 and 2.41 of NRA TD 10/07.
    Paragraph 2.26 states that the permitted junction types on Type 2 Dual Carriageways are
    roundabouts, compact grade separation and left-in/left-out junctions. It should be noted that the
    use of full grade-separation on Type 2 Dual Carriageways is not permitted.

    What's the difference between a compact GSJ and a fully grade-separated junction? Would a pair of LILOs with a fly-over be considered a compact GSJ or fully grade separated junction? Or would a compact GSJ be considered more like this : (Junction on WS2 N22). Finally, what's the reasoning behind this? Or is a fully grade separated junction like an interchange which wouldn't be useful on a 2+2 anyway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Adro947 wrote: »
    Would a pair of LILOs with a fly-over be considered a compact GSJ or fully grade separated junction?

    I'll defer to those with superior judgement, but I think a pair of LILOs with a flyover would not be considered a full GSJ. Claremorris bypass has one, and that's only a single-carriageway road.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    For anyone who's interested, here's my map of the Tralee Bypass scheme. (I couldn't get the map to start on Tralee, so zoom in on it.)

    The C-Ring is in dark green which is my colour-coding for Type 2 Dual. The ring to N22 segment is light green which indicates single carriageway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Is the Type 2 Dualler really going to end on the N70 with that atrocious hairpin about a mile away?

    Edit: Ok its the Ring of Kerry, but cmon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Adro947 wrote: »
    Would a pair of LILOs with a fly-over be considered a compact GSJ or fully grade separated junction?

    Thats a compact GSJ
    Adro947 wrote: »
    Or would a compact GSJ be considered more like this : (Junction on WS2 N22).

    Thats not a totally GSJ due to the right turn remaining. There's a few total compact GSJs on WS2 roads though, IIRC the Croom BP has one, the Drumsna BP has one, etc.

    Adro947 wrote: »
    Finally, what's the reasoning behind this? Or is a fully grade separated junction like an interchange which wouldn't be useful on a 2+2 anyway?

    Full grade separation gives the impression of a higher speed road, apparently. They don't want people doing 120km/h+ on 2+2s (although the type would be 112km/h in the UK rather than 96...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭marmurr1916


    MYOB wrote: »
    Thats a compact GSJ



    Thats not a totally GSJ due to the right turn remaining. There's a few total compact GSJs on WS2 roads though, IIRC the Croom BP has one, the Drumsna BP has one, etc.




    Full grade separation gives the impression of a higher speed road, apparently. They don't want people doing 120km/h+ on 2+2s (although the type would be 112km/h in the UK rather than 96...)

    Almost all dual-carriageways and motorways in the UK are 70mph, even when the dual-carriageways are like this:

    http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=A90,+AB30+1,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=57.011465,-2.17438&spn=0.00079,0.002642&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.881357,14.941406&geocode=FZA2ZAMd6Lvb_w&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=57.011465,-2.17438&panoid=BPA3KVhcL61N3dxT2aw6tg&cbp=12,23.05,,1,5.89

    Note the gap in the median, allowing for right-hand turns across oncoming traffic, and the minor road to the left, complete with bus-stop, meaning that slow moving buses will be coming out from the side road onto the main carriageway.

    This is followed by a steep climb with a sharp bend near the top of the hill.

    And all at 70mph!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭mk6705


    Is the Type 2 Dualler really going to end on the N70 with that atrocious hairpin about a mile away?

    Edit: Ok its the Ring of Kerry, but cmon.

    It's not the ring of Kerry. The N70 makes up most of the ring of Kerry, but not that section of it. The N70 is in general however, a very bad road.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    spacetweek wrote: »
    For anyone who's interested, here's my map of the Tralee Bypass scheme. (I couldn't get the map to start on Tralee, so zoom in on it.)

    The C-Ring is in dark green which is my colour-coding for Type 2 Dual. The ring to N22 segment is light green which indicates single carriageway.

    Thanks for your map which clarifies the scheme better than the official documents.

    So will motorists coming from Killarney direction that need to go to Manor via Ballycarty N21 on old section of N22 still be able to do so? If so does that mean another roundabout on the N22? I guess anything to slow momentum and burn extra fuel. ... Or else they could block off this section completely from the N22 accessible by local roads only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ongarboy


    http://www.kerryman.ie/news/tralee-bypass-goes-ahead-2803666.html

    THE contract for the long awaited Tralee bypass is to be signed this Friday.
    Following a lengthy tender process involving five companies, Kildare based BAM construction have been awarded the contract by the NRA. The contract is due to be signed by representatives of the firm and Kerry County Council in Castleisland this Friday.
    Last January the last government announced funding of € 16,350,000 had been made available for the project.
    Around 60 per cent of the lands needed for the bypass have been purchased under compulsory purchase orders with the process of purchasing the remaining lands still underway and at an advanced stage. Some 70 landowners along the route are involved in the CPO process.
    The bypass, which the Department of Transport described as vital to the future development of the county capital, was one of just six major road projects nationally that the government have guaranteed to go ahead before 2015. It is now expected that work on the project will get underway later this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    ongarboy wrote: »
    http://www.kerryman.ie/news/tralee-bypass-goes-ahead-2803666.html

    THE contract for the long awaited Tralee bypass is to be signed this Friday.
    Following a lengthy tender process involving five companies, Kildare based BAM construction have been awarded the contract by the NRA. The contract is due to be signed by representatives of the firm and Kerry County Council in Castleisland this Friday.
    Last January the last government announced funding of € 16,350,000 had been made available for the project.
    Around 60 per cent of the lands needed for the bypass have been purchased under compulsory purchase orders with the process of purchasing the remaining lands still underway and at an advanced stage. Some 70 landowners along the route are involved in the CPO process.
    The bypass, which the Department of Transport described as vital to the future development of the county capital, was one of just six major road projects nationally that the government have guaranteed to go ahead before 2015. It is now expected that work on the project will get underway later this year.

    via Radio Kerry News:
    Contract for the N22 Tralee Bypass to be signed today
    The Contract Signing for the N22 Tralee Bypass takes place today. Mayor of Kerry Pat Leahy will sign the contract with BAM Construction, the Irish company that recently completed the Castleisland bypass. The conference room at Áras an Chontae, will this morning host the signing of the contract for the 13 point five kilometer N22 Tralee Bypass. The scheme will comprise of an eight kilometer dual carriageway eastern bypass of Tralee, and a five and a half kilometer single carriageway link road from the proposed bypass to the N22 Killarney road at Bealagrellagh. Minister for Arts Heritage and the Gaeltacht Jimmy Deenihan has welcomed the contract and says he's delighted to see the provision of a cycle track included in the plans. The €30 million project is expected to take 21 months to complete creating 150 jobs.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Thanks for your map which clarifies the scheme better than the official documents.

    So will motorists coming from Killarney direction that need to go to Manor via Ballycarty N21 on old section of N22 still be able to do so? If so does that mean another roundabout on the N22? I guess anything to slow momentum and burn extra fuel. ... Or else they could block off this section completely from the N22 accessible by local roads only.
    Thanks Hoof!
    I would assume the old road will still be accessible with a roundabout. I don't think that's a significant imposition on the N22 motorists. Surely you must agree that there remain a way of getting between the N21 and 22?

    So the contract was signed last Friday. Anyone know when we can expect work to start?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Tech3


    150 jobs to be created as contracts are signed for € 97m Tralee bypass


    THE contract for the construction of long awaited Tralee bypass project were signed at County Buildings in Tralee on Friday and work on the €97 million project will get underway within weeks creating 150 jobs in the locality.

    In one of his final acts as Mayor of Kerry Cllr Pat Leahy signed the contracts with contractors BAM Civil in front of a large audience including members of Kerry County Council, Tralee Town Council and a number of Kerry's Oireachtas members.

    The €97.03 million project will see the construction of an 8km Dual Carriageway to the east of Tralee, as well as a 5.5km single carriageway link road from the Bypass to the N22 Killarney Road at Bealagreallagh.

    The scheme will connect four of the five national routes that terminate in Tralee and will improve the road transport corridor between Tralee and Killarney.

    Construction of the Bypass is on a 21-month contract and 150 people are expected to be employed during construction.

    The outgoing Mayor welcomed the project and said he was looking forward to seeing work begin in the next few weeks.

    "This is a fantastic boost for the town of Tralee and for the county as a whole," he said.

    "From an economic point of view, there is a benefit to the county from the employment of people who live locally and will be spending their money in local businesses and also for landowners who have had land purchased for the project," Cllr Leahy said.

    "There will also be a huge benefit to the town of Tralee in relieving traffic congestion on entering the town.

    "Now traffic heading to North, South and West Kerry will be able to avoid the centre of the town, reducing congestion and travel time and Tralee town centre will also benefit," he said.

    County Manager Tom Curran said the importance of the road network in Kerry was crucial for the economy, as it facilitated agriculture and tourism, two of Kerry's major employers.

    He paid credit to the National Roads Association for their assistance in bringing the project to fruition and also stated that the town of Tralee would benefit greatly.

    Link


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭Hoof Hearted


    Ha Ha,...., the National Roads Association....I must join that association:)

    97mill project, biggest single project in Tralee, good times or bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭dmeehan


    Preparatory works have started today on the Tralee Bypass.
    They'll continue for two weeks, and involve the installation of site offices.
    Contracts for the 13.5km €97million project were signed just over two weeks ago.
    The N22 Tralee Bypass Road Improvement Scheme comprises of the construction of an 8km Dual Carriageway to the east of Tralee, as well as a 5.5km single carriageway link road from the Bypass to the N22 Killarney Road at Bealagreallagh.
    The project is expected to take 21 months to complete, with 150 people being employed during construction.
    Preparatory work involving the installation of site offices began yesterday, and is expected to continue for two weeks.

    via Radio Kerry


  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭daelight


    97mil & 21 months.. wonder how much it will overrun on budget & time?

    How much of that accounts for those blokes taking extended breaks & texting / facebooking from their phones?:rolleyes:

    2 weeks to erect a few portacabins? Unbelievable.

    Ah yes, a laughing stock :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    daelight wrote: »
    97mil & 21 months.. wonder how much it will overrun on budget & time?

    How much of that accounts for those blokes taking extended breaks & texting / facebooking from their phones?:rolleyes:

    2 weeks to erect a few portacabins? Unbelievable.

    Ah yes, a laughing stock :mad:

    Its a fixed price contract* and there will be penalties for late delivery, so no budget over-run and unlikely any time over-run.

    *as all state contracts of any value have been for some years.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    daelight wrote: »
    How much of that accounts for those blokes taking extended breaks & texting / facebooking from their phones?:rolleyes:

    2 weeks to erect a few portacabins? Unbelievable.

    Ah yes, a laughing stock :mad:
    Would you mind not posting pointless jibes? It doesn't add anything to the debate.

    To install a site office requires levelling the site, creating a gravel surface, installing cables, etc. How long would you take?


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