Blood bikes

Broken Arrow · 01-10-2014 11:03pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Would seem a bit pointless when they are blood bike it's in the name.

If someone buys one then let them off.

If you have the cash you can buy anything it just would have to have the lights removed or covered.

Has working lights

Pataman · 01-10-2014 11:04pm

Unfortunately this is the reason blood bike threads get shut down here. You just cant have a neutral debate. Its always open season on BBE. No matter what we do, we are slated by certain individuals(under various names).

Pataman · 01-10-2014 11:05pm

Broken Arrow wrote: »

Has working lights

It wouldnt be much good as an ambulance if it didnt

punisher5112 · 01-10-2014 11:07pm

What is the gripe with bbe ?

Is there certain people that were turned down or something and now have a problem ?

Sorry if this has been explained but I can't see any harm in a group doing good been bad.

Pataman · 01-10-2014 11:15pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

What is the gripe with bbe ?

Is there certain people that were turned down or something and now have a problem ?

Sorry if this has been explained but I can't see any harm in a group doing good been bad.

To give you a brief synopsis of the situation: there 7 groups currently in Ireland. 6 of these groups work together on a daily/weekly basis and then there is 1 other.
No prizes for guessing where these disgruntled posters are from.
They really need to ask themselves why nobody will deal with them.

Esel · 01-10-2014 11:18pm

Pataman wrote: »

what ambulance are you referring to?
another new account!

Broken Arrow wrote: »

Why? How many have you????

A bit of a Freudian slip there?

3fullback · 01-10-2014 11:25pm

Just fitted my own blue light, to my personal motorbike this morn ! Looks great,

lighterman · 01-10-2014 11:26pm

Scatter Cat wrote: »

Blood1, how dare you question people on here. You are upsetting them by asking questions about the photos of them using blue lights.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I hope your sarcasm isn't aimed at me. I don't care who s/he asks questions about but their timeline regarding starting an account and post history would suggest that they're only here to slate an organisation.

punisher5112 · 01-10-2014 11:27pm

Didn't know there were that many so it's bad form to be going against what all should be working towards.

Any volunteer work is a very nice and rewarding thing to do and every bit helps.

I don't understand why these people are having a go and bad mouthing.

Scatter Cat · 02-10-2014 6:29am

So Pataman does Bloodbike East have an Ambulance?

Or Did one of the Walters buy one for themselves?

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 6:58am

That's all pataman does when he is asked questions, has a sissy fit and throw the rattle out of the pram. He blames others for everything that HE is responsible for.

Let's have a look at the allegations about him and his group.

Let his mate drive around while not insured, or with a valid licence.

This mate was blue lighting around the country for his own amusement.

No valid licence means NO insurance.

Collected memberships of 100 people them told them they were only vols not members.

Refused to show any financial reports or accounts to paid members.

Lost all but 3 of his original committee because of his attitude.

Blue lighting around Dublin posing like an idiot while being a danger to traffic.

Sure of course this is everyone else's fault not his. There was a huge split in his group and his ego got bruised.

There are people in this that are in it for the right reasons, but there are others.

Now apperently he allows his crew to buy emergency vehicles for themselves.

It is my position that this group has also pissed off so many people and when they face any critics in for bad antics the have a fit and blame everyone else.

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 8:55am

No doubt now we will see the usual blaming of people, threats to identify people and mud flinging.

The facts of the matter as I see them is that when the behaviour of this group is taken to task he goes ballistic and tries to drag others into it. We never hear anything bad about any other group including the one he does not like because they split from his group and he is still sore about it.

Ask yourself who was clowning around on blue lights, exactly, his group but he tries to deflect onto everyone else or people he does not like. God forbid he would take responsibility for his actions and stop being a baby.

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 8:56am

Jesus I tought voluntary ambulance services could be bitchy with each other...... We are all best buddy's compared to the blood bikes all I can add to this which is my experience as an EMT in a vol is guys think blue lights are the be all and end all that's why they join in some cases the min we have a patient they are jumping on the button (iv seen one guy drive across an open field with them on face palm) in reality in nearly every case I have had blues are not required and I don't put them on the point I'm making is you will always have a few guys who are idiots as for legality think that's been all said

Peppa Cig · 02-10-2014 8:58am

Broken Arrow wrote: »

That's all pataman does when he is asked questions, has a sissy fit and throw the rattle out of the pram. He blames others for everything that HE is responsible for.

Let's have a look at the allegations about him and his group.

Let his mate drive around while not insured, or with a valid licence.

This mate was blue lighting around the country for his own amusement.

No valid licence means NO insurance.

Collected memberships of 100 people them told them they were only vols not members.

Refused to show any financial reports or accounts to paid members.

Lost all but 3 of his original committee because of his attitude.

Blue lighting around Dublin posing like an idiot while being a danger to traffic.

Sure of course this is everyone else's fault not his. There was a huge split in his group and his ego got bruised.

There are people in this that are in it for the right reasons, but there are others.

Now apperently he allows his crew to buy emergency vehicles for themselves.

It is my position that this group has also pissed off so many people and when they face any critics in for bad antics the have a fit and blame everyone else.

Jaysus......

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 9:00am

Peppa Cig wrote: »

Jaysus......

And that's not all of it!!!

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 9:01am

Broken Arrow wrote: »

That's all pataman does when he is asked questions, has a sissy fit and throw the rattle out of the pram. He blames others for everything that HE is responsible for.

Let's have a look at the allegations about him and his group.

Let his mate drive around while not insured, or with a valid licence.

This mate was blue lighting around the country for his own amusement.

No valid licence means NO insurance.

Collected memberships of 100 people them told them they were only vols not members.

Refused to show any financial reports or accounts to paid members.

Lost all but 3 of his original committee because of his attitude.

Blue lighting around Dublin posing like an idiot while being a danger to traffic.

Sure of course this is everyone else's fault not his. There was a huge split in his group and his ego got bruised.

There are people in this that are in it for the right reasons, but there are others.

Now apperently he allows his crew to buy emergency vehicles for themselves.

It is my position that this group has also pissed off so many people and when they face any critics in for bad antics the have a fit and blame everyone else.

A lot of serious allegations in there as said above Jaysus........ And if true and you have proff why have you not gone to the gardai

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 9:05am

sjb25 wrote: »

A lot of serious allegations in there as said above Jaysus........ And if true and you have proff why have you not gone to the gardai

I have no wish to harm other groups as this sticks to them all. They all do good work including east, but they need to get rid of a few that are dragging all down.

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 9:09am

They were offered on ESF to put their side forward but wouldn't, just wanted the tread shut down. Very interesting.

02-10-2014 9:15am

Pataman wrote: »

Unfortunately this is the reason blood bike threads get shut down here. You just cant have a neutral debate. Its always open season on BBE. No matter what we do, we are slated by certain individuals(under various names).

Again, I've nothing to do with any blood bike group or any other voluntary organisation.

Any question I had was valid in relation to carrying out a blue light escort. I also don't see the need for blue lights due to no RTA excemptions and know they can legally have them.

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 9:18am

Broken Arrow wrote: »

I have no wish to harm other groups as this sticks to them all. They all do good work including east, but they need to get rid of a few that are dragging all down.

I see what you are saying not wanting to harm the group name as a hole but by saying it here now we all no (if true) so you have

Maybe you think I'm wrong but if I had them kind of concerns over a member of my unit in my organisation or another organisation I would report it because I think that it would make us more reputable to be shown that we stamp it out rather than brush it under the carpet

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 9:22am

sjb25 wrote: »

I see what you are saying not wanting to harm the group name as a hole but by saying it here now we all no (if true) so you have

Maybe you think I'm wrong but if I had them kind of concerns over a member of my unit in my organisation or another organisation I would report it because I think that it would make us more reputable to be shown that we stamp it out rather than brush it under the carpet

But yet they don't stamp it out and the leader is in my opinion the biggest problem they have, he was in the middle of the latest blue light exhibition.

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 9:23am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again, I've nothing to do with any blood bike group or any other voluntary organisation.

Any question I had was valid in relation to carrying out a blue light escort. I also don't see the need for blue lights due to no RTA excemptions and know they can legally have them.

I'd be thinking along these lines why even fit them if not required only temptation for guys who want to use em in the wrong it's also been said that the bikes have blues fitted but no siren I wouldn't like to be in an big ambulance in traffic with blues only let alone on a bike.... They do great work don't get me wrong just don't want to see a member killed

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 9:25am

Broken Arrow wrote: »

But yet they don't stamp it out and the leader is in my opinion the biggest problem they have, he was in the middle of the latest blue light exhibition.

See you're point but just saying if they do notting and you do notting then notting will change will it...

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 9:26am

sjb25 wrote: »

I'd be thinking along these lines why even fit them if not required only temptation for guys who want to use em in the wrong it's also been said that the bikes have blues fitted but no siren I wouldn't like to be in an big ambulance in traffic with blues only let alone on a bike.... They do great work don't get me wrong just don't want to see a member killed

Correct me if I am wrong but are any vehicle with blues not required to also have a siren?

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 9:28am

sjb25 wrote: »

See you're point but just saying if they do notting and you do notting then notting will change will it...

Well if they don't misbehave then there will be nothing to point out.
Change comes from within.

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 9:29am

Broken Arrow wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong but are any vehicle with blues not required to also have a siren?

I can't answer if they are "required" some others may but all I can say is what I have said I would not like to be on blue lights in a large vehicle without a siren let alone on a bike

Pataman · 02-10-2014 9:46am

@Broken Arrow: You are so predictable, we knew if we poke you enough you will come up with your wild accusations of wrongdoings. We have done nothing wrong, but as i said earlier, dont let the truth get in the way of your slant. You re-spout these lies all the time. No wonder no other group will have dealings with you, since you threatened to sue another group. They even went as far as to report us to the director of corporate enforcement, who agreed with us, that we were correct in our dealings and operations.

For the record we dont have an ambulance. As far as i know, 1 of our volunteers has an ambulance. BUT thats his business not mine, not yours. What he does with his money is nothing to do with me. We currently have 5 bikes.
The reason we dont have a siren is we dont need it. We dont use blues operationally. There is no need.

As I said earlier it is terribly unfortunate that we cant have a mature discussion. There is no bitchiness in any of the other groups, just 1 causing all the problems. Maybe its jealousy, I dont know, I dont care.

Scatter Cat · 02-10-2014 10:02am

Pataman wrote: »

@Broken Arrow: You are so predictable, we knew if we poke you enough you will come up with your wild accusations of wrongdoings. We have done nothing wrong, but as i said earlier, dont let the truth get in the way of your slant. You re-spout these lies all the time. No wonder no other group will have dealings with you, since you threatened to sue another group. They even went as far as to report us to the director of corporate enforcement, who agreed with us, that we were correct in our dealings and operations.

For the record we dont have an ambulance. As far as i know, 1 of our volunteers has an ambulance. BUT thats his business not mine, not yours. What he does with his money is nothing to do with me. We currently have 5 bikes.
The reason we dont have a siren is we dont need it. We dont use blues operationally. There is no need.

As I said earlier it is terribly unfortunate that we cant have a mature discussion. There is no bitchiness in any of the other groups, just 1 causing all the problems. Maybe its jealousy, I dont know, I dont care.

Ha ha your gas! As far as you know. Ha ha it's been at a stack of official events that you were at also.

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 10:03am

Scatter Cat wrote: »

Ha ha your gas! As far as you know. Ha ha it's been at a stack of official events that you were at also.

It was not convenient for him to see it, so he is not sure if he knows about it or not.

Pataman · 02-10-2014 10:05am

Scatter Cat wrote: »

Ha ha your gas! As far as you know. Ha ha it's been at a stack of official events that you were at also.

????? You are really grasping at straws. Yes I said 1 of our volunteers has an ambulance. To the best of my knowledge it was at an emergency services show a few weeks ago, which we also attended(we were invited).
I dont think there is a law against having an ambulance at your display? Maybe I am wrong.

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 10:05am

Pataman wrote: »

@Broken Arrow: You are so predictable, we knew if we poke you enough you will come up with your wild accusations of wrongdoings. We have done nothing wrong, but as i said earlier, dont let the truth get in the way of your slant. You re-spout these lies all the time. No wonder no other group will have dealings with you, since you threatened to sue another group. They even went as far as to report us to the director of corporate enforcement, who agreed with us, that we were correct in our dealings and operations.

For the record we dont have an ambulance. As far as i know, 1 of our volunteers has an ambulance. BUT thats his business not mine, not yours. What he does with his money is nothing to do with me. We currently have 5 bikes.
The reason we dont have a siren is we dont need it. We dont use blues operationally. There is no need.

As I said earlier it is terribly unfortunate that we cant have a mature discussion. There is no bitchiness in any of the other groups, just 1 causing all the problems. Maybe its jealousy, I dont know, I dont care.

Two sides to every story as we see here I'm not taking sides by the way just going by what I think broken arrow has serious allegations and if it was or ever would be true I'd hope you would act on it end of

As for the member with the ambulance I hope he is PHECC registered if useing it as an ambulance but as you said it has notting to do with you're group if not affiliated

As for the blues il take your answer to that but if it was me if not needed operational you just wouldn't have them on it at all but that just my opinion and I'm not having a go

As for the bitchy comment it does non of you're groups any good

Finally you guys do great work and good look with it

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 10:22am

Well the facts have been laid out and people will come to their own conclusions as to what's right and wrong.

Pataman · 02-10-2014 10:25am

No the facts haven't been laid out. Your usual nonsense is all we ever hear.

You really have to let go of your anger, its not good for you.

Broken Arrow · 02-10-2014 10:30am

Pataman wrote: »

No the facts haven't been laid out. Your usual nonsense is all we ever hear.

You really have to let go of your anger, its not good for you.

You should sue me then and iron it out in court.

ectoraige · 02-10-2014 12:46pm

searescue wrote: »

I just want to throw in though, as the whole blue light issue came up again, what about the others?

What training and use have Civil Defence jeeps, search and rescue vans, communication vans have, if they have no rights?

...

I often wonder why CD waste money putting blues on jeeps if they have no exemptions also.

Schindlers Pissed wrote: »

The Civil Defence is a government setup agency who are there to aid the statutory services, so I assume they are entitled to have blues? (That's just my opinion, I don't know).

Just on this, there is training given to Civil Defence regarding the use of blue lights. I'm not a driver so I don't know how extensive it is, if it is classroom only, or if it's standardised across units. I do know the college have been training up their own driving instructors though.

Civil Defence are allowed to have blue lights not because they are a government agency, but because the can provide an ambulance and/or fire service. Granted, it mightn't be the normal role for some of the vehicles but the nature of Civil Defence's remit means the operational role of vehicles can be unpredicatable. Jeeps may well be used in providing a first response, and communications vans could be deployed to co-ordinate medical response in a major emergency. I think it's a given that an "ambulance service" is more than just transporting a patient.

However, even the ambulances themselves don't use blues and twos very often due to the response guidelines and restrictions on patient transport. I do know of at least one occasion though where Ambulance Control sanctioned the transport of a Bravo patient without Ps onboard and so CDO allowed blues+twos response. I'm pretty sure though that we can all agree there's no need for their welfare wagons to have blues and twos unless foreign is stuck somewhere and is in dire need of a burger!

Schindlers Pissed · 02-10-2014 3:36pm

Pataman wrote: »

????? You are really grasping at straws. Yes I said 1 of our volunteers has an ambulance. To the best of my knowledge it was at an emergency services show a few weeks ago, which we also attended(we were invited).
I dont think there is a law against having an ambulance at your display? Maybe I am wrong.

So why has this guy got an ambulance? Just for the craic? Or the Walterism?

Unless he is covered to provide care acting for one of the approved organizations that come under PHECC CPGs then he has no business having it.

This is law under Section 23 of the road traffic act 2014.

Pataman · 02-10-2014 3:39pm

His business is his business! Its not for me to tell him what to do when he is not volunteering.
If he wants to buy a Sherman tank let him.

My only concern is how he conducts himself while on blood bike business.

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 5:03pm

Pataman wrote: »

His business is his business! Its not for me to tell him what to do when he is not volunteering.
If he wants to buy a Sherman tank let him.

My only concern is how he conducts himself while on blood bike business.

Just had a look at that ES forum there a lot of accusations flying round backed up by pictures and vids doesn't paint yous great I no two sides to the story but maybe a few things you could change and do differently

As for that ambulance I presume it's Toyota jeep..... If as you say he has bought this for his own private use and Id guess he is not a PHECC approved service provider then the lightbar grill lights and ambulance marking should be removed it may have notting to do with you're group but it is doing you no favours having it around maybe you should advise him if that

Pataman · 02-10-2014 5:37pm

TBH we have been dealing with this group for quite a while and its quite obvious there is a witch hunt on. First it was blue lights, then accusations of marshalling, all of which have been explained, now the ambulance. What next?
You should note on the esforum site there are 3 members of BBL; not a mule, courier1 and Broken arrow; therefore you can immediately dismiss what they say as biased. BBL came about because 1 committee member left BBE So there is a history there.

What they didnt say was they(BBL) told us(when we met at the top of Grafton St) they were trying to pick up the Bumbulance convoy to lead it in, however the route was changed at the last minute. If they led it in I am sure we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Re the ambulance: It is privately owned by an individual. None of my business. Whether it needs approval for stickers and lights is between him and the Gardai. I simply dont know or care. I have explained that it was at an emergency services show and we were also invited to place a bike or two on the same stand.
I suppose the next thing will be: the colour of the bikes/rider not wearing gloves/ open face helmet etc.

As for his suggestion that I should sue him, I will leave the litigation to him as he recently threatened to sue another blood bike group that upset him.
Really he should be concerned as to why no other group will deal with him.
Considering his postings here and the other site: I rest my case

sjb25 · 02-10-2014 5:48pm

Pataman wrote: »

TBH we have been dealing with this group for quite a while and its quite obvious there is a witch hunt on. First it was blue lights, then accusations of marshalling, all of which have been explained, now the ambulance. What next?
You should note on the esforum site there are 3 members of BBL; not a mule, courier1 and Broken arrow; therefore you can immediately dismiss what they say as biased. BBL came about because 1 committee member left BBE So there is a history there.

What they didnt say was they(BBL) told us(when we met at the top of Grafton St) they were trying to pick up the Bumbulance convoy to lead it in, however the route was changed at the last minute. If they led it in I am sure we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Re the ambulance: It is privately owned by an individual. None of my business. Whether it needs approval for stickers and lights is between him and the Gardai. I simply dont know or care. I have explained that it was at an emergency services show and we were also invited to place a bike or two on the same stand.
I suppose the next thing will be: the colour of the bikes/rider not wearing gloves/ open face helmet etc.

As for his suggestion that I should sue him, I will leave the litigation to him as he recently threatened to sue another blood bike group that upset him.
Really he should be concerned as to why no other group will deal with him.
Considering his postings here and the other site: I rest my case

Ok fair enough as iv said I no there is two sides to every story and it is very obviously there is some tension around this iv no other comment to make other than what I have only just to say you're member with that jeep should be removing all that stuff from his private vehicle and also iv noticed in a picture it says "urgent blood" and you're groups emblem it looks like on the bonnet of it

Just to save anybody accusing you of anyting I'd be at least asking him to remove that as it makes a link to you then as you say the rest is up to him as it is his private vehicle

02-10-2014 5:52pm

Pataman, whatever your issue with another group I think you will find it was me who brought up the escort being done.

Pataman · 02-10-2014 5:54pm

Fair point. I had already addressed it with the volunteer. However they continue to blow it out of all proportions while have a van themselves.

BTW it was never used by him on our behalf ie to carry blood for BBE

Scatter Cat · 02-10-2014 5:55pm

foreign wrote: »

Pataman, whatever your issue with another group I think you will find it was me who brought up the escort being done.

No matter what happens he always finds a way to blame the other group.
There are photos on ESF of that ambulance with a blood bike east logo on the bonnet!!!! How is this or escorting got anything to do with anyone else is beyond me!

Pataman · 02-10-2014 5:56pm

foreign wrote: »

Pataman, whatever your issue with another group I think you will find it was me who brought up the escort being done.

I have no issue with another group, however i hope i explained it satisfactorily about leading in the Bumbulance. We didnt marshall/escort them.

Schindlers Pissed · 02-10-2014 6:24pm

Pataman wrote: »

@Broken Arrow: You are so predictable, we knew if we poke you enough you will come up with your wild accusations of wrongdoings. We have done nothing wrong, but as i said earlier, dont let the truth get in the way of your slant. You re-spout these lies all the time. No wonder no other group will have dealings with you, since you threatened to sue another group. They even went as far as to report us to the director of corporate enforcement, who agreed with us, that we were correct in our dealings and operations.

For the record we dont have an ambulance. As far as i know, 1 of our volunteers has an ambulance. BUT thats his business not mine, not yours. What he does with his money is nothing to do with me. We currently have 5 bikes.
The reason we dont have a siren is we dont need it. We dont use blues operationally. There is no need.

As I said earlier it is terribly unfortunate that we cant have a mature discussion. There is no bitchiness in any of the other groups, just 1 causing all the problems. Maybe its jealousy, I dont know, I dont care.

For someone who says that it's his ambulance and has nothing to do with you, it has "Emergency Blood" on the bonnet and the logo of BBE beside it. Just saying.

ratracer · 02-10-2014 8:04pm

I'm not back seat modding, but I've reported posts in this thread because I believe that they are nothing but personal issues between a few individuals, not groups, that are trying to disrupt/destabilise blood bikes nationally, which I believe is wrong, due to personal vendetta's. This is not right morally, but mods don't seem to mind! I'll take my cards, as long as they are fair!

Pataman · 02-10-2014 8:19pm

Not having seen the pictures, I assume its a luminous yellow with emergency blood in red with our sticker each side?
If so its a magnetic sign we got a few made for volunteers, so that during bad weather if they wish to use their own car they could, without fear of being clamped at the hospital.

Volunteers are passionate about what we do. They are always trying their best to help and raise our profile. And sometimes what we do is minutely inspected to be torn apart and used against us at a later date.

Oh well thats the internet for you

Turner · 02-10-2014 10:41pm

ratracer wrote: »

I'm not back seat modding, but I've reported posts in this thread because I believe that they are nothing but personal issues between a few individuals, not groups, that are trying to disrupt/destabilise blood bikes nationally, which I believe is wrong, due to personal vendetta's. This is not right morally, but mods don't seem to mind! I'll take my cards, as long as they are fair!

If you feel any posts are breaking the forum rules please state this when reporting posts.

Just because action is not taken does not mean your reported post has been considered.

The idea of boards.ie forums is for people to discuss topics, exactly what is going on here.

Capri · 02-10-2014 11:05pm

Away from the 'personal' issues surfacing here, I seemed to have stirred a right hornets nest with my original query which was prompted by seeing them that day using blue lights and 'talking to' an illegal parked van ( maybe he knew the van driver but it didn't look like it ), then there's another biker with what could be mistaken for 'POLICE' or 'POLITIE' (Dutch police) complete with (Police)chequered stripes. And 2 other blood transport vehicles with no blue lights !
There are emergency service drivers who drive day in and day out in emergency situations and KNOW how to be careful because of their experience - just because someone got a few hours training DOES NOT make them an experienced driver, but there ARE some who think the blue lights will make other road users magically vanish from in front of them - experienced drivers know this doesn't happen !

Pataman · 02-10-2014 11:07pm

The van driver is our photographer

Blood bikes

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