VW Transporter T5 Kombi 2.5ltr T30 130ps

Gin77 · 31-05-2012 2:40am #1

Hi Guys

I want to buy a VW Transporter Kombi in the UK for the simple reason they're alot more of them and a nicer spec.
I have searched the threads and cannot find any updates since 2008 on this subject.
The VRT calculator is confusing to say the least. If I put it through as a M1 its free and if I put it through as an N1 comercial it costs 1537eu.
If I buy a similar van a carevelle the vrt is more like 11k, its nuts.

So has anyone been through this process recently?
I might have to buy a VW panel van clear it here and then convert it myself.

stevire · 31-05-2012 8:47am

Gin77 wrote: »

Hi Guys

I want to buy a VW Transporter Kombi in the UK for the simple reason they're alot more of them and a nicer spec.
I have searched the threads and cannot find any updates since 2008 on this subject.
The VRT calculator is confusing to say the least. If I put it through as a M1 its free and if I put it through as an N1 comercial it costs 1537eu.
If I buy a similar van a carevelle the vrt is more like 11k, its nuts.

So has anyone been through this process recently?
I might have to buy a VW panel van clear it here and then convert it myself.

Just one thing to note, if you buy a panel van and clear the VRT on it you will be subject to further VRT when converting it from an irish reg commercial vehicle to a camper. This would be calculated at 13.3% of the OMSP of the T5 as a camper.

Gin77 · 03-06-2012 9:03am

stevire wrote: »

Just one thing to note, if you buy a panel van and clear the VRT on it you will be subject to further VRT when converting it from an irish reg commercial vehicle to a camper. This would be calculated at 13.3% of the OMSP of the T5 as a camper.

Thats nuts, I'm probably better off to fake a UK address for 7months and get an exemption! Free trade zone my ar$e.

gavkm27 · 03-06-2012 1:45pm

Hey i was looking into this a couple of years ago,buying a ex demo T5 through a camper conversion shop in Devon and having it converted,but the VRT would have been huge on it,they are expensive as it is then add VRT,i remember looking on the VW.ie site and seeing the official VW California for something like e55,000!

I'm back on the hunt now and will most likely buy a T5 here and then have it converted in Ireland or possibly drive it to UK,but there are a few companies doing it in Ireland now,but i really want a 174BHP T5 and they are few and far between in Ireland,might have to just settle for the 140

niloc1951 · 03-06-2012 4:55pm

Would there be anything illegal or against the current rules on VRT if one was to do this:

Buy a panel van.
Do the minimum possible conversion conversion work here (to keep the OMSP as low as possible) which will enable it to qualify as a 'motor caravan'
Get it re-categorised as a 'motor caravan' and pay the VRT

Afterwards 'upgrade' the conversion, either here or at a specialist company elsewhere.

I am not aware that there is anything in the VRT regulations which require vehicles which have been refurbished or upgraded, without a category change, to be subjected to re-valuation and further VRT payments.

stevire · 03-06-2012 5:26pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

Would there be anything illegal or against the current rules on VRT if one was to do this:
Buy a panel van.

Do the minimum possible conversion conversion work here (to keep the OMSP as low as possible) which will enable it to qualify as a 'motor caravan'

Get it re-categorised as a 'motor caravan' and pay the VRT

Afterwards 'upgrade' the conversion, either here or at a specialist company elsewhere.

I am not aware that there is anything in the VRT regulations which require vehicles which have been refurbished or upgraded, without a category change, to be subjected to re-valuation and further VRT payments.

Won't work afaik, the OMSP is not based on the quality of work or features in the van it's simply based on what van, age and mileage. Then the going rate for that van, regardless if it's a sink/hob screwed into a cabinet or a fully fitted out camper.

Private vehicles seem to be exempt from the VRT when reclassifying to a camper, vehicles like minibuses and that. Private vehicle would have a lot more VRT when initially bringing it in though too.

niloc1951 · 03-06-2012 8:56pm

stevire wrote: »

Won't work afaik, the OMSP is not based on the quality of work or features in the van it's simply based on what van, age and mileage. Then the going rate for that van, regardless if it's a sink/hob screwed into a cabinet or a fully fitted out camper.............

AFAIK motor caravans are assessed for VRT on an individual basis and the OMSP is based on what a motor caravan of similar standard/quality in the opinion of the assessor would sell for on the open market. BTW that opinion appears to be formed by the research of ASKING prices of similar vehicles offered for sale.

This is different from cars where the Revenue have a database of OMSP's from the frequent sales in that sector.

gavkm27 · 03-06-2012 10:35pm

Do VW Transporter conversions and California's qualify ok as campers? Is'nt there something about having stand up room?

What would be the bare minimum you would have to do to get it registered as camper?

Thanks!

stevire · 04-06-2012 11:14am

niloc1951 wrote: »

AFAIK motor caravans are assessed for VRT on an individual basis and the OMSP is based on what a motor caravan of similar standard/quality in the opinion of the assessor would sell for on the open market. BTW that opinion appears to be formed by the research of ASKING prices of similar vehicles offered for sale.

This is different from cars where the Revenue have a database of OMSP's from the frequent sales in that sector.

I'll use OMAP in future! For the record, my first camper was a bare minimum job everything was transferred from an old caravan. CVO in Rosslare slapped a 4k price tag on it, realistically it was worth half that but they said that was the going rate for the vehicle. I tried arguing the case but fell on deaf ears, they said I could appeal it but only after the VRT was paid.

gavkm27 wrote: »

Do VW Transporter conversions and California's qualify ok as campers? Is'nt there something about having stand up room?

What would be the bare minimum you would have to do to get it registered as camper?

Thanks!

The bare minimum height rule is gone now, I have a VW Caravelle registered as a camper so you'll have no problem! You need a 2 gas hob, sink and a bed

Eshaness · 05-06-2012 10:44am

Hi, I'd been thinking of doing something similar- i.e. importing a second hand vw from the uk and getting it converted after (am looking for a 4motion with a decent engine for towing which are hard to find). One option I was considering was bringing in a kombi or panel van as a private vehicle rather than commercial; and paying the vrt then. And then after I've converted it, just get it re-classified as a camper from private vehicle avoiding vrt at this stage- all in the hope that this would be a cheaper route. any opinions/pitfalls on this approach appreciated!:)

Gin77 · 06-06-2012 9:20pm

Eshaness wrote: »

Hi, I'd been thinking of doing something similar- i.e. importing a second hand vw from the uk and getting it converted after (am looking for a 4motion with a decent engine for towing which are hard to find). One option I was considering was bringing in a kombi or panel van as a private vehicle rather than commercial; and paying the vrt then. And then after I've converted it, just get it re-classified as a camper from private vehicle avoiding vrt at this stage- all in the hope that this would be a cheaper route. any opinions/pitfalls on this approach appreciated!:)

Let me know how you get on. If I were you why bother reclassify it, just keep it as is a private vehicule.
I would like to just put in the rock and roll bed and a gas plancha BBQ (http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/petit_electromenager/barbecue_plancha_gril-plancha/plancha_pro/simogas_ole_60.html) so that I can remove if I want to use it as a van.

gavkm27 · 07-06-2012 11:15am

Eshaness wrote: »

Hi, I'd been thinking of doing something similar- i.e. importing a second hand vw from the uk and getting it converted after (am looking for a 4motion with a decent engine for towing which are hard to find). One option I was considering was bringing in a kombi or panel van as a private vehicle rather than commercial; and paying the vrt then. And then after I've converted it, just get it re-classified as a camper from private vehicle avoiding vrt at this stage- all in the hope that this would be a cheaper route. any opinions/pitfalls on this approach appreciated!:)

AFAIK but it's not a reclassify,you are actually registering it as a camper,so you would be paying OMSP of the value of the camper then you have converted,yes after paying the VRT on bringing it in the 1st place!!

Gin77 wrote: »

Let me know how you get on. If I were you why bother reclassify it, just keep it as is a private vehicule.
I would like to just put in the rock and roll bed and a gas plancha BBQ (http://www.darty.com/nav/achat/petit_electromenager/barbecue_plancha_gril-plancha/plancha_pro/simogas_ole_60.html) so that I can remove if I want to use it as a van.

He is talking about a 4motion 180BHP and to tax and insurance this privately due to C02 is ridiculous,so you have to get it in under the motorhome tax and insurance

Eshaness · 07-06-2012 8:05pm

Guess i am out of date on the whole VRT thing- thought that when it was a private vechicle I didn't have to go through the whole process again and could just get it re-classified locally at the motor tax office. Hard to keep up with all the changes made to the rules on this issue!
And- yes- taxing and insuring a 4x4 camper is a helluva lot cheaper than a private 4x4 pajero/landcruiser parked up beside the camper! (can't do tax as commercial unfortunately) and get two useful vehicles wrapped up in one..
Still pulling together the finances on this, so will be 6 months before I go ahead and take the plunge.
By the way- am not a "he" -

Gin77 · 17-06-2012 5:39am

Lets hope VRT doesn't last, eh.

Eshaness · 17-06-2012 8:00pm

some chance- been hoping for that for years! Can't see this government giving up any way of getting money out of people for a long time!:(

Stovepipe · 02-07-2014 8:45pm

Hi all,
I want to know about the legality of converting a standard Irish 1.9d T5 panel van (non-minibus/caravelle) by (a) adding a window to the sliding door (b) adding a three-seat seat-belted row in the back for use as a day van. Is this legal without jumping NCT and tax hoops?

regards
Stovepipe

Keano96 · 03-07-2014 7:47am

We've just done that but had to pay VRT so that the log book could be changed to reflect 5 seats instead of 3. Also had to get a certificate of compliance (not sure that's the right term) for revenue in rosslare. You could chance not doing it but you're insurance vould be viewed null & void in the event of a claim.

Keano96 · 03-07-2014 7:47am

We've just done that but had to pay VRT so that the log book could be changed to reflect 5 seats instead of 3. Also had to get a certificate of compliance (not sure that's the right term) for revenue in rosslare. You could chance not doing it but you're insurance vould be viewed null & void in the event of a claim.

Stovepipe · 03-07-2014 5:47pm

Hi there,
Thanks for the reply...what percentage VRT?

regards
Stovepipe

Keano96 · 03-07-2014 6:38pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Hi there,
Thanks for the reply...what percentage VRT?

regards
Stovepipe

13.3% on the OMSP

Stovepipe · 03-07-2014 7:12pm

Sheesh! So, unless the vehicle is quite old, you're going to get slaughtered...

Keano96 · 03-07-2014 8:36pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Sheesh! So, unless the vehicle is quite old, you're going to get slaughtered...

Big time. I have just put in an appeal.

shagman · 04-07-2014 8:10pm

I think the best way is buy a caravelle in Ireland make it into a camper and upgrade the engine. Should be no vrt to pay. Can you buy VW "crate" engines?

Stovepipe · 04-07-2014 9:30pm

@shagman, I don't know. How do garages get replacement engines? As a question, how much VRT is paid on a minibus?

regards
Stovepipe

shagman · 04-07-2014 11:31pm

If it's more power you're lookin for......

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/chevy-van/7171172

airhead_eire · 06-07-2014 4:19pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

@shagman, I don't know. How do garages get replacement engines? As a question, how much VRT is paid on a minibus?

regards
Stovepipe

There is no VRT to pay if you re-class the likes of a VW Caravelle/Merc Viano etc as a camper. You will pay 13% on panel van conversions.

reelkidmusic · 12-07-2014 8:08am

The VRT on a camper is calculated at 13.5% of OMSP which has already been fairly well clarified. When I got my camper changed from a commercial to a camper, it was charged at 13.5% of OMSP with any VRT already paid subtracted from the total, i.e. €50 would have been paid originally to register as a commercial and this was subtracted from total. In the case of a minibus or caravelle type van, the VRT paid would be a lot more. As far as I understand, this is how it would work when re registering the Kombi to a camper. The OMSP would again be calculated and any VRT already paid would be subtracted from the total. This might explain why no VRT would be owed on some caravelle/kombi/minibus van as VRT originally paid would be greater than the 13.5% of OMSP calculated by revenue.

airhead_eire · 18-07-2014 9:02am

reelkidmusic wrote: »

The VRT on a camper is calculated at 13.5% of OMSP which has already been fairly well clarified. When I got my camper changed from a commercial to a camper, it was charged at 13.5% of OMSP with any VRT already paid subtracted from the total, i.e. €50 would have been paid originally to register as a commercial and this was subtracted from total. In the case of a minibus or caravelle type van, the VRT paid would be a lot more. As far as I understand, this is how it would work when re registering the Kombi to a camper. The OMSP would again be calculated and any VRT already paid would be subtracted from the total. This might explain why no VRT would be owed on some caravelle/kombi/minibus van as VRT originally paid would be greater than the 13.5% of OMSP calculated by revenue.

Yep, that is the reason.

silver campaign · 30-07-2014 4:09pm

reelkidmusic wrote: »

The VRT on a camper is calculated at 13.5% of OMSP which has already been fairly well clarified. When I got my camper changed from a commercial to a camper, it was charged at 13.5% of OMSP with any VRT already paid subtracted from the total, i.e. €50 would have been paid originally to register as a commercial and this was subtracted from total. In the case of a minibus or caravelle type van, the VRT paid would be a lot more. As far as I understand, this is how it would work when re registering the Kombi to a camper. The OMSP would again be calculated and any VRT already paid would be subtracted from the total. This might explain why no VRT would be owed on some caravelle/kombi/minibus van as VRT originally paid would be greater than the 13.5% of OMSP calculated by revenue.

I previously converted a T4 caravelle to a camper with no VRT payable for the reason stated above. I am currently looking to source (from the UK) a newer T5 kombi or caravelle van to convert.

Can anyone tell me where I can get an estimate for VRT on importing a Kombi or caravelle? Can I just pay commercial VRT on the Kombi as I am VAT registered? Then presumably I will be liable to VRT once the conversion is done. The VRT calculator on the revenue site doesn't have a Kombi listed.

Is it possible to contact revenue through a hotline or tel number before importing to get an estimate on VRT?

Aidan_M_M · 31-07-2014 10:21pm

Completely off topic , but is that Silver Campaign , as in mk1 GTI?

silver campaign · 01-08-2014 2:14pm

Aidan_M_M wrote: »

Completely off topic , but is that Silver Campaign , as in mk1 GTI?

Hi, Yes it is. I used to own one. 83LD something. I thinks its down around tullamore at the moment.

VW Transporter T5 Kombi 2.5ltr T30 130ps

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