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When & How could there be a united Ireland?

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  • #152
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    from coleraine to the mull of kintyre its only 30 miles, from coleraine to donegal is far further. I can currently see scotland from my house when i look out the window.

    In a car, you can start in Coleraine and be in Donegal in 20 minutes. You are right beside Derry ffs and Derry is on the border.


  • #153
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Dude its not "occupied" by anyone

    The plantation didnt take place during the 20th Century you know :rolleyes:

    thanks sherlock I am aware of this. What way do you want it put. People from a foreign country land and pushed people off the land that is rightfully there own.


  • #154
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    In a car, you can start in Coleraine and be in Donegal in 20 minutes. You are right beside Derry ffs and Derry is on the border.

    I'm talking about distances not driving time.


  • #155
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Wheres that ?




    Even if theyre Southern Protestants or Mainland Catholics ?

    And not all Protestants in NI are of Scottish Planter Descent. Many are of Anglo-Irish decent (or some mixture thereof)

    Not to mention many Catholics (and others)

    Sorry I should have said British planter descent but most of Ulster planters were Scottish. Yes the same would probably be said for Southern Protestants. A lot of Protestants in the likes of Donegal actually identify more with NI than the Republic.


  • #156
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    I'm talking about distances not driving time.
    Please just stop.


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  • #157
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    jordan.. wrote: »
    People from a foreign country land and pushed people off the land that is rightfully there own.

    I think youll find most people in NI were born here and bought/rent their houses/land
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Myself, or anyone else can call the six counties whatever they want, Ulster, the North, whatever. Each is valid.

    I thought Ulster had nine counties ?


  • #158
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    I'm talking about distances not driving time.

    See if you look Northwest from where you are right now, that's Donegal, it's closer distance wise that Scotland. Have you even looked at a map of Ireland?


  • #159
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »
    Sorry I should have said British planter descent but most of Ulster planters were Scottish. Yes the same would probably be said for Southern Protestants. A lot of Protestants in the likes of Donegal actually identify more with NI than the Republic.

    The southern planters are nearly all english, the northern ones are all nearly scottish, thats why theres so few people in the church of ireland.


  • #160
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    See if you look Northwest from where you are right now, that's Donegal, it's closer distance wise that Scotland. Have you even looked at a map of Ireland?

    No the hill behind me is blocking the view, so its impossible to see donegal from coleraine and you should know that by going over the coleraine mountain and i can live outside coleraine you know.


  • #161
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    No the hill behind me is blocking the view, so its impossible to see donegal from coleraine and you should know that by going over the coleraine mountain and i can live outside coleraine you know.
    LOL


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  • #162
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    No the hill behind me is blocking the view, so its impossible to see donegal from coleraine and you should know that by going over the coleraine mountain.

    Err, because something isn't within sight does not mean it's not there. I can't see Belfast but I know it's to the southeast of me.


  • #163
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    Err, because something isn't within sight does not mean it's not there. I can't see Belfast but I know it's to the southeast of me.

    Whatever scotland is closer to me than the republic of ireland.


  • #164
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    Whatever scotland is closer to me than the republic of ireland.

    Seriously, open up google maps. Look at it and stop embarrassing yourself with sheer ignorance.


  • #165
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    I think youll find most people in NI were born here bought/rent their houses/land

    Irish land was confiscated and used to settle colonists!! Did you not do history in school, or were you given the sugarcoated version


  • #166
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    Seriously, open up google maps. Look at it and stop embarrassing yourself with sheer ignorance.

    No i measure with a straight line scotland is closer, i can see it from my firggen house, its obviously closer and if i put on my binoculars now can see the lighthouse in kintyre.


  • #167
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Myself, or anyone else can call the six counties whatever they want, Ulster, the North, whatever. Each is valid.
    It is certainly the case that there are multiple popular names for many jurisdictions (e.g. America / the states / the US) but the phrase “six counties” is a politically loaded way of referring to Northern Ireland. It was used by republicans in the past (and regrettably in the presence) as a way of indicating that they did/do not recognise British rule in NI.
    Fine and dandy in the past, but anybody, republican or otherwise, who continues to do so is flying in the face of democracy and the Good Friday Agreement.


  • #168
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    Irish land was confiscated and used to settle colonists!! Did you not do history in school, or were you given the sugarcoated version

    We went to a school were they taught us correct history and not some crap made up. My familiy were farmers and they BOUGHT the land.


  • #169
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    lugha wrote: »
    It is certainly the case that there are multiple popular names for many jurisdictions (e.g. America / the states / the US) but the phrase “six counties” is a politically loaded way of referring to Northern Ireland. It was used by republicans in the past (and regrettably in the presence) as a way of indicating that they did/do not recognise British rule in NI.
    Fine and dandy in the past, but anybody, republican or otherwise, who continues to do so is flying in the face of democracy and the Good Friday Agreement.

    And that is why i don't like it, its offensive.


  • #170
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    No i measure with a straight line scotland is closer, i can see it from my firggen house, its obviously closer and if i put on my binoculars now can see the lighthouse in kintyre.

    Moville is in Donegal and it's closer to Coleraine than any part of Scotland. It's not only closer, but it's closer by a good margin. Now if you can't see that geographical fact it's not my fault.


  • #171
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    karma_ wrote: »
    Moville is in Donegal and it's closer to Coleraine than any part of Scotland. It's not only closer, but it's closer by a good margin. Now if you can't see that geographical fact it's not my fault.

    I live to the east of coleraine and scotland is closer by 1 mile.


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  • #172
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    jordan.. wrote: »
    Irish land was confiscated and used to settle colonists!! Did you not do history in school, or were you given the sugarcoated version

    This happened long before anyone here today was alive and is therefore pretty irrelevent.

    Did you not do history in school ? They way youre talking youd swear the plantations took place in the 1960's or something.


  • #173
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    lugha wrote: »
    It is certainly the case that there are multiple popular names for many jurisdictions (e.g. America / the states / the US) but the phrase “six counties” is a politically loaded way of referring to Northern Ireland. It was used by republicans in the past (and regrettably in the presence) as a way of indicating that they did/do not recognise British rule in NI.
    Fine and dandy in the past, but anybody, republican or otherwise, who continues to do so is flying in the face of democracy and the Good Friday Agreement.
    In fairness any way of referring to any country is politically loaded.


  • #174
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    Whatever scotland is closer to me than the republic of ireland.

    [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Paulie/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png[/IMG]http://www.homeatfirst.com/2007/British%20Isles%20Map.gif

    With the new motorway I travelled to Belfast from Dublin in an hour and a half I think it was, dont quote me! I flew from Dublin to Galway before in 25 mins. Roughly the same distance as Dublin to belfast.


  • #175
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    This happened long before anyone here today was alive and is therefore pretty irrelevent

    Did you not do history in school ? They way youre talking youd swear the plantations took place in the 1960's or something.
    Yes, thats right, events which took place outside of living memory are irrelevant......


  • #176
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Paulie/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png[/IMG]http://www.homeatfirst.com/2007/British%20Isles%20Map.gif

    With the new motorway I travelled to Belfast from Dublin in an hour and a half I think it was, dont quote me! I flew from Dublin to Galway before in 25 mins. Roughly the same distance as Dublin to belfast.

    I flew from derry to glasgow in 10 minutes and derry to dublin in 20 minutes in a turboprop which i thought was going to fall out of the sky.


  • #177
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    owenc wrote: »
    I live to the east of coleraine.

    You may do, however not far enough east that you are no longer in Coleraine. Even if you lived east of Coleraine would not change the fact that you are closer to that part of Donegal than to Scotland.


  • #178
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    We went to a school were they taught us correct history and not some crap made up. My familiy were farmers and they BOUGHT the land.

    made up crap!!!! I actually cant continue listening to your bollex!

    Ignorant ****..


  • #179
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Yes, thats right, events which took place outside of living memory are irrelevant......

    So do you recognice the legitimacy of the United states of America and the right of the non native-american inhabitants to decide on the form of government therein ?

    There cant be too many square metres of habitable land on this earth which one person hasnt at some point taken from another at the point of a club/spear/gun/cannon.


  • #180
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    made up crap!!!! I actually cant continue listening to your bollex!

    Ignorant ****..

    Of course its crap when they tell you that all the settlers came to steel land when infact that is untrue, mines came to look after the undertakers not steel land.


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  • #181
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Yes, thats right, events which took place outside of living memory are irrelevant......

    unbelievable the fcuking attitudes of some people isnt it


  • #182
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    unbelievable the fcuking attitudes of some people.

    Well after what happened in the past what do you expect.


  • #183
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    Well after what happened in the past what do you expect.
    Apparently thats irrelevant.


  • #184
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    Of course its crap when they tell you that all the settlers came to steel land when infact that is untrue, mines came to look after the undertakers not steel land.

    they came to create a strong protestant base to withstand rebellion from the native Irish!
    Id be pretty sceptical of alot of what you where thought.
    Do you think American kids are thought the full truth of what was done to native Americans?


  • #185
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    Well after what happened in the past what do you expect.

    enlighten me!!??


  • #186
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    they came to create a strong protestant base to withstand rebellion from the native Irish!
    Id be pretty sceptical of alot of what you where thought.
    Do you think American kids are thought the full truth of what was done to native Americans?

    You don't know you weren't alive so you have no proof to the full scale damage.


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  • #187
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    enlighten me!!??

    Between unionists and nationalists.


  • #188
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    jordan.. wrote: »
    Do you think American kids are thought the full truth of what was done to native Americans?

    Apparently If they did they would realise that they had no right to a say in determining the future of their own country and indeed should be eternally grateful to the remaining native americans for allowing them to remain and not running them back across the sea to the lands frome whence their ancestors came ?

    Have I got that right ? :rolleyes:


  • #189
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    You don't know you weren't alive so you have no proof to the full scale damage.

    it has been well documented wee man, and my family where around and suffered at their hands so I know enough!


  • #190
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    it has been well documented wee man, and my family where around and suffered at their hands so I know enough!

    So you've got pictures and all that, and you've spoken to them too.:rolleyes: You have no idea what we have to go through.:(


  • #191
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    owenc wrote: »
    So you've got pictures and all that, and you've spoken to them too.:rolleyes: You have no idea what we have to go through.:(
    There are plenty of primary sources. Considering we have primary sources from the fall of the roman republic, eg Cicero, his letters, Ceasers biography etc etc... It is not so surprising that there are records from the time you speak of.


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  • #192
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Presumably If they did they would realise that they had no right to a say in determining the future of their own country and indeed should be eternally grateful to the remaining native americans for allowing them to remain and not running them back across the sea to the lands frome whence their ancestoers came ?

    Have I got that right ? :rolleyes:

    your attitude is, because it happened long ago it is irrelevant. Why hide the truth?? Whats there to be afraid?? Oh wait, near genocide, slavery pretty big list actually!

    Im out of here ****ebags, have an awful evening ;)


  • #193
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    jordan.. wrote: »
    your attitude is, because it happened long ago it is irrelevant. Why hide the truth?? Whats there to be afraid?? Oh wait, near genocide, slavery pretty big list actually!

    Im out of here ****ebags, have an awful evening ;)
    Bit harsh haha


  • #194
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    There are plenty of primary sources. Considering we have primary sources from the fall of the roman republic, eg Cicero, his letters, Ceasers biography etc etc... It is not so surprising that there are records from the time you speak of.

    No, but he has no proof that his family had land stolen of.


  • #195
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Bit harsh haha

    not you man, you cool. Have a great evening!

    Everyone else, awful evening ;)


  • #196
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    not you man, you cool. Have a great evening!

    Everyone else, awful evening ;)

    Same to you.;)


  • #197
    jordan..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭jordan..


    owenc wrote: »
    No, but he has no proof that his family had land stolen of.

    now your scottish, first it was english, then northern irish

    i wish i could ban you :D


  • #198
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    jordan.. wrote: »
    your attitude is, because it happened long ago it is irrelevant. Why hide the truth?? ........

    My attitude is that the question of whether Northern Ireland should be part of the United Kingdom or the Republic of Ireland is a matter to be decided in a democratic manner by its inhabitants and events from hundreds of years ago while perhaps interesting are not particularly relevent given that all the protagonists are long since dead and therefore dont (usually) have a vote.


  • #199
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    jordan.. wrote: »
    now your scottish, first it was english, then northern irish

    i wish i could ban you :D

    No southern irish planters are english, and i am indeed scottish descent.


  • #200
    Bebs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Bebs


    Irish people have this awful victim complex about themselves. That was then and this is now. Man (or woman) up and move on with your lives.


  • #201
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    "yes" says the britman "i got all them stupid paddys arguing about their own land, its working, all that sky tv and sun newspaper has the stupid paddys thinking like ourselves, yes were converting them to west brits and they are so dumb they dont even know it, they think its stylish and posh to act like this ha ha ha "


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