I said Hello Mary Lou

MouseTail · 27-10-2014 12:06am

Women across all party allegiances and none had a respect for Mary Lou, as a strong performer and female political representative. She probably had the broadest support base of all SF TDs. I say had as she has done a huge amount to damage her credibility and leak support over the last week. The moves she makes over the next few weeks will be crucial for her political career.

I certainly wouldn't like to be advising her. Continue to support a damaged leader with some very unsavoury allegations likely to emerge, or be the one to wield the knife when a lot of SF members view her as a carpetbagger having no blood under her nails.

maccored · 27-10-2014 3:19am

How do you know its 'a lot'? I haven't met too many who think like that myself.

MouseTail wrote: »

when a lot of SF members view her as a carpetbagger having no blood under her nails.

gunny558 · 27-10-2014 10:26am

maccored wrote: »

How do you know its 'a lot'? I haven't met too many who think like that myself.

In fairness, I support SF and I thought it myself and I know others who still think it.

On the surface she just doesnt seem like the typical SFer- shes an intelligent woman, shes well educated and comes from a hard working family. To me it seemed she joined SF because she wouldnt have any competition, whereas if she joined FF/FG there would be any amount of women like her there. I thought it was just a cheap political move.

But then I heard her talking one time and she talked about her family and it was clear then (for me anyway) that she does come from a very strong IRA/SF family and I was a lot more happy to support her. (but I still know others who think shes 'too posh' and doesnt come from a working class family, where was she during the troubles in the north, she used to be a FFer etc)

maccored · 27-10-2014 9:27pm

Have to say Ive never come across anyone with that kind of view.

gunny558 wrote: »

In fairness, I support SF and I thought it myself and I know others who still think it.

On the surface she just doesnt seem like the typical SFer- shes an intelligent woman, shes well educated and comes from a hard working family. To me it seemed she joined SF because she wouldnt have any competition, whereas if she joined FF/FG there would be any amount of women like her there. I thought it was just a cheap political move.

But then I heard her talking one time and she talked about her family and it was clear then (for me anyway) that she does come from a very strong IRA/SF family and I was a lot more happy to support her. (but I still know others who think shes 'too posh' and doesnt come from a working class family, where was she during the troubles in the north, she used to be a FFer etc)

DuMorph · 28-10-2014 12:00am

alastair wrote: »

Eh, there are already 32 Republics in the Commonwealth. Not sure why Ireland would lose it's status as a republic by joining that club.

I was basing that on the fact that the two English speaking, mainly caucasian and Christian members (excluding Britain itself) are monarchies; and the continual lamenting of the manner of our independence by the "embarrassingly effusive" (when meeting British royalty)
John Bruton.

Nodin · 28-10-2014 12:20am

gunny558 wrote: »

In fairness, I support SF and I thought it myself and I know others who still think it.

On the surface she just doesnt seem like the typical SFer- shes an intelligent woman, shes well educated and comes from a hard working family. To me it seemed she joined SF because she wouldnt have any competition, whereas if she joined FF/FG there would be any amount of women like her there. I thought it was just a cheap political move.

But then I heard her talking one time and she talked about her family and it was clear then (for me anyway) that she does come from a very strong IRA/SF family and I was a lot more happy to support her. (but I still know others who think shes 'too posh' and doesnt come from a working class family, where was she during the troubles in the north, she used to be a FFer etc)

If you're an SF supporter, I'm Prince Phillip.

gunny558 · 28-10-2014 1:46am

Nodin wrote: »

If you're an SF supporter, I'm Prince Phillip.

Well, unfortunately its the truth. But Im insulted that you seem to have interepted my post as bad thing.

But regardless. If you look at the leaders of all the main parties in Ireland. Gerry Adams is the odd one out that never went to college. He left school to work in a bar. And most of the SF cllrs that I know didnt go to college either. Thats not to say they are idiots.... its just schooling wasnt for them.

Again, a lot of SFers dont come from perfect families. Now this could break into an almighty row, but lets be frank here, a lot of us grew up with fathers either in jail or on the run. And if you are a generation older and Gerry Adams age and growing up in the North in the thick off it.

But again, coming from a broken family, or not having a college education is not a character flaw.

If you look at the typical FF or FG candidate, most likely they will come from a well to do or well meaning family who werent living on the fringe of society. There was probably food on the table every week and most likely they are college educated. Thats the point I was making.

Nodin · 28-10-2014 6:30am

gunny558 wrote: »

Well, unfortunately its the truth. But Im insulted that you seem to have interepted my post as bad thing.

But regardless. If you look at the leaders of all the main parties in Ireland. Gerry Adams is the odd one out that never went to college. He left school to work in a bar. And most of the SF cllrs that I know didnt go to college either. Thats not to say they are idiots.... its just schooling wasnt for them.

Again, a lot of SFers dont come from perfect families. Now this could break into an almighty row, but lets be frank here, a lot of us grew up with fathers either in jail or on the run. And if you are a generation older and Gerry Adams age and growing up in the North in the thick off it.

But again, coming from a broken family, or not having a college education is not a character flaw.

If you look at the typical FF or FG candidate, most likely they will come from a well to do or well meaning family who werent living on the fringe of society. There was probably food on the table every week and most likely they are college educated. Thats the point I was making.

I'll just add - for the record - that I don't believe you.

alastair · 28-10-2014 9:32am

DuMorph wrote: »

I was basing that on the fact that the two English speaking, mainly caucasian and Christian members (excluding Britain itself) are monarchies; and the continual lamenting of the manner of our independence by the "embarrassingly effusive" (when meeting British royalty)
John Bruton.

So, just a product of your vivid imagination then, and at odds with the facts?

RandomName2 · 28-10-2014 10:33pm

Nodin wrote: »

I'll just add - for the record - that I don't believe you.

A split... among nationalists!? :eek:

Godge · 30-10-2014 12:51am

RandomName2 wrote: »

A split... among nationalists!? :eek:

don't worry, a few kneecappings usually sorts out a slip.

It is only the left-wing parties who split when they get somewhere.

I said Hello Mary Lou

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