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Reform Alliance - The New PDs

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  • #52
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    I hate this revisionism of the PDs. They were just as populist and spendthrift as FF and did nothing to curb spending.

    While this ultimately was true, it does not mean that the ideals professed by the PDs need have been stillborn.

    I think a real shakeup of the Irish political landscape is required. Will this potential grouping be the answer? It's unlikely. Is it a start? Perhaps...


  • #53
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    While this ultimately was true, it does not mean that the ideals professed by the PDs need have been stillborn.

    I think a real shakeup of the Irish political landscape is required. Will this potential grouping be the answer? It's unlikely. Is it a start? Perhaps...



    ....there's nothing among the personnel to suggest its a start either, tbh. Most would be happy back in FG. LC may or not share the sentiment, but Enda may not be too willing to take her back, given their fractious relationship.


  • #54
    RandomName2
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ....there's nothing among the personnel to suggest its a start either, tbh. Most would be happy back in FG. LC may or not share the sentiment, but Enda may not be too willing to take her back, given their fractious relationship.

    Unfortunately, too much is predicated on LC - and the only particularly beneficial aspect that she can add to a NEW political grouping is opposition to the whip system. The reasons for her leaving Fine Gael hardly inspire one with confidence otherwise.


  • #55
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, too much is predicated on LC - and the only particularly beneficial aspect that she can add to a NEW political grouping is opposition to the whip system. The reasons for her leaving Fine Gael hardly inspire one with confidence otherwise.


    ....but even that opposition is muddied. The fact is that she and others voted against something that had been approved by two specific referenda by the public. I've yet to hear her musings on her right to freedom of conscience weighed against what was literally the voice of the voting public. Had she and the rest merely wanted to abstain, I'd have had far more time for their position.


  • #56
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    You can't be an honest fiscal conservative in this country and expect to ever see yourself head a government. The next election will be the same as always, parties trying to outbid each other with undeliverable promises.


  • #57
    Loafing Oaf
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    Don't want to get into gender stereotyping, but I'm guessing Lucinda's pregnancy means the project encapsulated in the thread title is off the agenda for now. Are there any other great white hopes on the right who might step into the breach?


  • #58
    SoulandForm
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    COYW wrote: »
    You do realize that a section of the voting Irish public, like any modern society, is conservative in nature? No party in this country caters for that vote. The Dail is flooded with TDs who are socially liberal.

    If we want change and diversity in politics in this country, then a party which is socially conservative provides us with that.

    Unlike in the north the southern Irish voting public is not socially conservative; infact they are socially liberal to an almost nihilistic degree- the Dail being flooded with socially liberal TDs just reflects that; social liberalism its perfectly into the present day organization of capitalism in this country and so anybody to seriously oppose it (as opposed to just mouthing slogans at election time like the Republican Party in the USA to deceive naive religious folk) would be swimming against the tide. Strengthening the family would involve giving job security, wages such that both husband and wife dont have to work and seriously counter-acting American influences that are corrupting our children to mention just a few things; I would like to see these people or the likes of Dana advocate any of those.


  • #59
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Unlike in the north the southern Irish voting public is not socially conservative; infact they are socially liberal to an almost nihilistic degree

    Plus when Ireland was genuinely socially conservative 20, 25 years ago, people like Gerard Casey and Nora Bennis who came forward on a pro-life, pro-family platform got miniscule votes. Can't see how such candidates would be any more successful now.


  • #60
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    dsmythy wrote: »
    You can't be an honest fiscal conservative in this country and expect to ever see yourself head a government.
    You don't have to head a government to dominate it. Labour and the PDs proved that, as FF and FG spent more time trying to decide what jobs their supporters got rather than focus on policies.

    At the moment there is no fiscal conservative party to vote for. There's a gap there to pick up a large vote from those people who work for a living rather than expect handouts - maybe not enough for a majority, but enough to get into government and start relieving the burden on taxpayers.


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  • #61
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Unlike in the north the southern Irish voting public is not socially conservative; infact they are socially liberal to an almost nihilistic degree- the Dail being flooded with socially liberal TDs just reflects that; social liberalism its perfectly into the present day organization of capitalism in this country and so anybody to seriously oppose it (as opposed to just mouthing slogans at election time like the Republican Party in the USA to deceive naive religious folk) would be swimming against the tide. Strengthening the family would involve giving job security, wages such that both husband and wife dont have to work and seriously counter-acting American influences that are corrupting our children to mention just a few things; I would like to see these people or the likes of Dana advocate any of those.

    Anyone else notice the floods of social libertarianns flooding the Dail???

    .... no, me neither.

    We are socially decades behind the rest of Europe, our parliament & its make-up reflects that.


  • #62
    artful_codger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    Palmach wrote: »
    I also remeber being fleeced by Aer Lingus and Telecom Eireann once upon a time. It would be unthinkable now to have such a closed shop.

    Was that actually due to the PDs, or was it due to EU competition laws forcing reform on the Government of the day?


  • #63
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    any word from the RA recently would be very interested i like the cut of lucindas gib i must say!


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