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Twilight of the Psychopaths

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  • 20-11-2008 8:20am
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    Twilight of the Pyschopaths
    Dr. Kevin Barret

    The Canadian
    August 21, 2008



    “Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re
    being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.” – John Lennon.


    When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.
    Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.
    Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.
    The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:
    1) Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers;
    2) Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits);
    3) Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.
    Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, injure, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse. The inventor of civilization — the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers—was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies — especially military hierarchies.
    Military institutions are tailor-made for psychopathic killers. The 5% or so of human males who feel no remorse about killing their fellow human beings make the best soldiers. And the 95% who are extremely reluctant to kill make terrible soldiers — unless they are brainwashed with highly sophisticated modern techniques that turn them (temporarily it is hoped) into functional psychopaths.
    In On Killing, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman has re-written military history, to highlight what other histories hide: The fact that military science is less about strategy and technology, than about overcoming the instinctive human reluctance to kill members of our own species. The true “Revolution in Military Affairs” was not Donald Rumsfeld’s move to high-tech in 2001, but Brigadier Gen. S.L.A. Marshall’s discovery in the 1940s that only 15-20% of World War II soldiers along the line of fire would use their weapons: “Those (80-85%) who did not fire did not run or hide (in many cases they were willing to risk great danger to rescue comrades, get ammunition, or run messages), but they simply would not fire their weapons at the enemy, even when faced with repeated waves of banzai charges” (Grossman, p. 4).
    Marshall’s discovery and subsequent research, proved that in all previous wars, a tiny minority of soldiers — the 5% who are natural-born psychopaths, and perhaps a few temporarily-insane imitators—did almost all the killing. Normal men just went through the motions and, if at all possible, refused to take the life of an enemy soldier, even if that meant giving up their own. The implication: Wars are ritualized mass murders by psychopaths of non-psychopaths. (This cannot be good for humanity’s genetic endowment!)
    Marshall’s work, brought a Copernican revolution to military science. In the past, everyone believed that the soldier willing to kill for his country was the (heroic) norm, while one who refused to fight was a (cowardly) aberration. The truth, as it turned out, was that the normative soldier hailed from the psychopathic five percent. The sane majority, would rather die than fight.
    The implication, too frightening for even the likes of Marshall and Grossman to fully digest, was that the norms for soldiers’ behaviour in battle had been set by psychopaths. That meant that psychopaths were in control of the military as an institution. Worse, it meant that psychopaths were in control of society’s perception of military affairs. Evidently, psychopaths exercised an enormous amount of power in seemingly sane, normal society.
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    How could that be? In Political Ponerology, Andrzej Lobaczewski explains that clinical psychopaths enjoy advantages even in non-violent competitions to climb the ranks of social hierarchies. Because they can lie without remorse (and without the telltale physiological stress that is measured by lie detector tests) psychopaths can always say whatever is necessary to get what they want. In court, for example, psychopaths can tell extreme bald-faced lies in a plausible manner, while their sane opponents are handicapped by an emotional predisposition to remain within hailing distance of the truth. Too often, the judge or jury imagines that the truth must be somewhere in the middle, and then issues decisions that benefit the psychopath. As with judges and juries, so too with those charged with decisions concerning who to promote and who not to promote in corporate, military and governmental hierarchies. The result is that all hierarchies inevitably become top-heavy with psychopaths.
    So-called conspiracy theorists, some of whom deserve the pejorative connotation of that much-abused term, often imagine that secret societies of Jews, Jesuits, bankers, communists, Bilderbergers, Muslim extremists, papists, and so on, are secretly controlling history, doing dastardly deeds, and/or threatening to take over the world. As a leading “conspiracy theorist” according to Wikipedia, I feel eminently qualified to offer an alternative conspiracy theory which, like the alternative conspiracy theory of 9/11, is both simpler and more accurate than the prevailing wisdom: The only conspiracy that matters is the conspiracy of the psychopaths against the rest of us.
    Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as that power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld—the criminal syndicate or overlapping set of syndicates that lurks above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it. In 9/11 and the 9/11 wars, we are seeing the final desperate power-grab or “endgame” (Alex Jones) of brutal, cunning gangs of CIA drug-runners and President-killers; money-laundering international bankers and their hit-men, economic and otherwise; corrupt military contractors and gung-ho generals; corporate predators and their political enablers; brainwashers and mind-rapists euphemistically known as psy-ops experts and PR specialists—in short, the whole sick crew of certifiable psychopaths running our so-called civilization. And they are running scared. It was their terror of losing control that they projected onto the rest of us by blowing up the Twin Towers and inciting temporary psychopathic terror-rage in the American public.
    Why does the pathocracy fear it is losing control? Because it is threatened by the spread of knowledge. The greatest fear of any psychopath is of being found out. As George H. W. Bush said to journalist Sarah McClendon, December 1992, “If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us.” Given that Bush is reported to have participated in parties where child prostitutes were sodomized and otherwise abused, among his many other crimes, his statement to McClendon should be taken seriously.
    Psychopaths go through life knowing that they are completely different from other people. They quickly learn to hide their lack of empathy, while carefully studying others’ emotions so as to mimic normalcy while cold-bloodedly manipulating the normals.
    Today, thanks to new information technologies, we are on the brink of unmasking the psychopaths and building a civilization of, by and for the normal human being — a civilization without war, a civilization based on truth, a civilization in which the saintly few rather than the diabolical few would gravitate to positions of power. We already have the knowledge necessary to diagnose psychopathic personalities and keep them out of power. We have the knowledge necessary to dismantle the institutions in which psychopaths especially flourish — militaries, intelligence agencies, large corporations, and secret societies. We simply need to disseminate this knowledge, and the will to use it, as widely as possible.
    Above all, we need to inform the public about how psychopaths co-opt and corrupt normal human beings. One way they do this, is by manipulating shame and denial — emotions foreign to psychopaths but common and easily-induced among normals.
    Consider how gangs and secret societies (psychopaths’ guilds in disguise) recruit new members. Some criminal gangs and satanist covens demand that candidates for admission commit a murder to “earn their stripes.” Skull and Bones, the Yale-based secret society that supplies the CIA with drug-runners, mind-rapists, child abusers and professional killers, requires neophytes to lie naked in a coffin and masturbate in front of older members while reciting the candidate’s entire sexual history. By forcing the neophyte to engage in ritualized behaviour that would be horrendously shameful in normal society, the psychopaths’ guild destroys the candidate’s normal personality, assuming he had one in the first place, and turns the individual into a co-opted, corrupt, degraded shadow of his former self — a manufactured psychopath or psychopath’s apprentice.
    This manipulation of shame has the added benefit of making psychopathic organizations effectively invisible to normal society. Despite easily available media reports, American voters in 2004 simply refused to see that the two major-party presidential candidates had lain naked in a coffin masturbating in front of older Bonesmen in order to gain admission to Skull and Bones and thus become members of the criminal overworld. Likewise, many Americans have long refused to see that hawkish elements of the overworld, operating through the CIA, had obviously been the murderers of JFK, MLK, RFK, JFK Jr., Malcolm X, ChÈ, AllendÈ, Wellstone, Lumumba, Aguilera, Diem, and countless other relatively non-psychopathic leaders. They refuse to see the continuing murders of millions of people around the world in what amounts to an American holocaust. They refuse to see the evidence that the psychopaths’ guilds running America’s most powerful institutions use the most horrific forms of sexualized abuse imaginable to induce multiple-personality-disorder in child victims, then use the resulting mind-control slaves as disposable drug-runners, prostitutes. And of course they refuse to see that 9/11 was a transparently obvious inside job, and that their own psychopath-dominated military-intelligence apparatus is behind almost every major terrorist outrage of recent decades.
    All of this psychopathic behaviour at the top of the social hierarchy is simply too shameful for ordinary people to see, so they avert their gaze, just as wives of husbands who are sexually abusing their children sometimes refuse to see what is happening in plain view. If deep, deep denial were a river in Egypt, American citizens’ wilful blindness would be more like the Marianas Trench.
    But thanks to the power of the internet, people everywhere are waking up. The only obvious non-psychopath among Republican presidential candidates, Ron Paul, also happens to be the only candidate in either party with significant grassroots support.
    If “love” is embedded in the Revolution Ron Paul heralds, that is because Dr. Paul — a kindly, soft-spoken physician who has delivered more than 4,000 babies — implicitly recognizes that government is the invention and tool of psychopaths, and therefore must be strictly limited in scope and subjected to a rigorous system of checks and balances, lest the psychopath’s tools, fear and hatred, replace love as the glue that binds society together.
    The decline in militarism since World War II in advanced countries, the spread of literacy and communications technology, and the people’s growing demands for a better life, together represent a gathering force that terrifies the pathocracy, (those alternately competing-then-cooperating gangs of psychopaths who have ruled through lies, fear and intimidation since the dawn of so-called civilization).
    Since nuclear weapons have made war obsolete, the pathocracy is terrified that its favourite social control mechanism — ritualized mass slaughter — is increasingly unavailable. And if war was the great human tragedy, the pathocrats’ pathetic attempt at a war-substitute — the transparently phoney “war on terror” — is repeating it as sheerest farce.
    Truly, we are witnessing the twilight of the psychopaths. Whether in their death throes they succeed in pulling down the curtain of eternal night on all of us, or whether we resist them and survive to see the dawn of a civilization worthy of the name, is the great decision in which all of us others, however humbly, are now participating.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Casey, PM me, I have an Idea


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    Casey, PM me, I have an Idea


    You think this person is a sockpuppet of a frequently banned user, and you're asking him to pm you?


    Don't you guys get, like a manual or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    think you guys are both mixing me up with somebody else I joined this blog yesterday is it the user name maybe?.. was a little surprised wakeup was available anyways Im a newbie so is all good lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    think you guys are both mixing me up with somebody else I joined this blog yesterday is it the user name maybe?.. was a little surprised wakeup was available anyways Im a newbie so is all good lol

    Ah Kevin 'hang em high Barrett!

    kevin who was
    U.S. Congressional candidate Kevin Barrett, a former one-semester instructor at UW-Madison, was arrested in Madison Tuesday for violating a restraining order filed by his wife, Fatna Bellouchi.

    According to Madison Police Officer Lori Chalecki, Barrett turned himself in to police after violating the no-contact provision of his restraining order.

    On Sept. 10, Barrett was charged with domestic abuse following a criminal complaint filed by Bellouchi.

    According to the complaint, Barrett struck his 14-year-old son several times in the back and threatened Bellouchi with clenched fists.

    Kevin Barrett who once said
    In war crimes news, the criminal invasion and occupation of Afghanistan - the worst war crime since Hitler invaded Poland - is not going well for the invaders and occupiers. According to a recent article in The Guardian, the patriotic people of Pakistan and Afghanistan are joining together to resist occupation: "The Pakistani Frontier Corps has been heavily infiltrated and influenced by Taliban militants, sometimes joining in attacks on coalition forces, according to classified US 'after-action' reports compiled following clashes on the border." The so-called "Taliban militants," of course, are simply patriotic citizens of Afghanistan and Pakistan, who, like the citizens of any other country, do not want to live under foreign military occupation.

    Kevin, who said
    As the example of Nuremburg suggests, journalists who act as propagandists for war crimes may one day find themselves on the scaffold. You would be well advised to strive for more balanced and accurate coverage in the future.

    Yes, Kevin is telling us who among our leaders are psychopaths. Well takes one to know one, I suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Diogenes, mo chara , he who has the massive bee in his bonnet , if your going to pull me up over something its a good idea if you have your facts strait or else you end up looking at little silly, no offence.

    Judge Dismisses Kevin Barrett Restraining Order



    Story Created: Sep 19, 2008
    Story Updated: Sep 19, 2008

    BARABOO, Wis. (AP) -- A judge has dismissed a temporary restraining order that kept Libertarian congressional candidate Kevin Barrett from having contact with his two sons.
    But Sauk County Circuit Judge Guy Reynolds upheld a petition barring Barrett from contact with his wife.
    Both sides agreed to drop a child abuse injunction against Barrett on behalf of the boys. His wife had claimed he hit his 13-year-old son the morning of the Sept. 9 primary election.
    Barrett is due in court Oct. 16 on a disorderly conduct charge.
    He faces U.S. Rep. Ron Kind, D-La Crosse, in the Nov. 4 election.
    Barrett came to public attention in 2006 when he taught a University of Wisconsin-Madison class and expressed skepticism that terrorists were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.




    With regards to the occupation of Afghanistan & Iraq, any people or country invaded by a foreign force or army has the right to defend themselves when they are being butchered daily by the US. So you agree with the invasion do you?..


    Your comment about Nuremburg probably only makes sense to yourself but how you can try trun that on its head like that is beyond me.


    peace


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Diogenes, mo chara , he who has the massive bee in his bonnet , if your going to pull me up over something its a good idea if you have your facts strait or else you end up looking at little silly, no offence.

    Judge Dismisses Kevin Barrett Restraining Order

    Didn't drop the domestic abuse charges.

    With regards to the occupation of Afghanistan & Iraq, any people or country invaded by a foreign force or army has the right to defend themselves when they are being butchered daily by the US. So you agree with the invasion do you?..

    He's calling the Taliban patriotic citizens. The Taliban who murder women and children. Do you agree with the murder of women?
    Of five prominent women interviewed three years ago by The Independent for an article on post-Taliban female emancipation, three, including Ms Kakar, are dead and a fourth has had to flee after narrowly escaping assassination in an ambush in which her husband was killed.

    Religious fundamentalists are waging a ruthless campaign to eliminate women who have taken up high-profile jobs. Parliamentarians, schoolteachers, civil servants, security officials and women journalists have been selected for attacks by the jihadists. Countless others have been maimed and murdered in villages where the vengeful Taliban have returned to impose the old order.

    from the independent
    Your comment about Nuremburg probably only makes sense to yourself but how you can try trun that on its head like that is beyond me.


    peace

    If you bothered to read the link that the quote comes from you'd see Barrett is referring to a journalist who wrote a disparaging report about a 911 truth movement conference. Barrett suggests that people who don't report his own lunatic views about 911 will find themselves on "the scaffold".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Diogenes wrote: »
    Didn't drop the domestic abuse charges.

    errr, yes they did.


    He's calling the Taliban patriotic citizens. The Taliban who murder women and children. Do you agree with the murder of women?

    what sort of a warped question is that.If you where in the room id knock you out. Doesnt warrant a response and your not getting one, krudhead.

    from the independent



    If you bothered to read the link that the quote comes from you'd see Barrett is referring to a journalist who wrote a disparaging report about a 911 truth movement conference. Barrett suggests that people who don't report his own lunatic views about 911 will find themselves on "the scaffold".


    nah your right I didnt bother I couldnt be arsed Id rather watch paint dry than check your link. Stick your head back in the sand lifes a whole lot easier that way isnt it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    errr, yes they did.

    No, no they didn't, from your own post

    Barrett is due in court Oct. 16 on a disorderly conduct charge.
    what sort of a warped question is that.If you where in the room id knock you out. Doesnt warrant a response and your not getting one, krudhead.

    No it's a simple question, he's calling them patriots, I'm calling them psychotic women hating religious extremists. You don't bother answering the question. Oh and threat and abuse reported.
    WakeUp wrote: »
    nah your right I didnt bother I couldnt be arsed Id rather watch paint dry than check your link. Stick your head back in the sand lifes a whole lot easier that way isnt it.

    Ah so you don't want to read about the violent threats made by person you link to, carry on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Diogenes, you lost my respect when you asked in that so matter of fact way do I agree with women and children being murdered?.what do you think I am, you turd.
    and stop whinging with your tales of woe and threats I never threatened you, youll have a hard time proving that unless your a lawyer and even then,well. Make sure you get it right.

    P.S

    conversation is what its all about is why I posted the story in the first place it seems to have struck quite a tender spot with you, truth hurts.

    goodbye:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    If you where in the room id knock you out.

    That's a threat.
    Doesnt warrant a response and your not getting one, krudhead.

    That's a personal attack.
    what do you think I am, you turd.

    That's another personal attack.

    If you wanted a conversation why would you resort to the above? If you're going to be abusive, no one will want to reply to you except for a mod to tell you you're banned (most likely not for the first time).

    Diogenes questioned Barretts beliefs, which have a very direct influence on how one would rate his opinions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    hello humaji nice to meet you to:)

    "if I was in the room Id knock you out"
    thats not a threat its a figure of speech to put someone down and such Ill dig out my oxford dictionary has to be in there somewhere.;)

    "krudhead"

    That's a personal attack.

    anyone who even thinks of such a question as in, do you agree with women and children being murdered is not just a krudhead he or she is an ultrakrudhead ask my choclate salty hoopla. I 100% stand by that comment for above mentioned reason.

    "you turd"

    That's another personal attack.

    no its not its a response to an offensive disgusting question. Words , sentences, paragraphs, whatever many ways to view them.

    If you wanted a conversation why would you resort to the above? If you're going to be abusive, no one will want to reply to you except for a mod to tell you you're banned (most likely not for the first time).

    Im not abusive far from it Diogenes overstepped the mark in my opinion and whats said has been said.

    Diogenes questioned Barretts beliefs, which have a very direct influence on how one would rate his opinions.[/quote]

    no problem with that at all hes entitled to his opinion which I respect but I dont respect him so lets agree to disagree..:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    You insulted and threatened him. You may not have meant to follow through with the threat, but it's still a threat. That makes you abusive. Calm it down, stop insulting people, stop threatening people (even half-heartedly) and people will respond appropriately.

    You decided to attack Diogenes for no apparent reason other than that he doesn't much like Barrett. As pointed out, Barret has questionable beliefs and motives and as such calls into question any opinion he puts forward as being anything but biased. Maybe everything he said is true, but with his past record, why would it be believed? It's a valid statement to make.

    And even without his background being brought into question, the content of the article is fairly sensationally surreal and more suited to the likes of The Onion. If he's not trying for humour then I think the article shows us exactly who the actual psychopath is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Diogenes, you lost my respect when you asked in that so matter of fact way do I agree with women and children being murdered?.what do you think I am, you turd.

    You said that the people of Afghanistan are being butchered daily, and did I agree with that. I turned that on it's head, and asked you if you consider the Taliban's behaviour acceptable. You got offended. I don't what you are, but you think I am faecal matter.
    and stop whinging with your tales of woe and threats I never threatened you, youll have a hard time proving that unless your a lawyer and even then,well. Make sure you get it right.

    Yeah, threats of physical violence are against the terms of service of this website.
    P.S

    conversation is what its all about is why I posted the story in the first place it seems to have struck quite a tender spot with you, truth hurts.

    goodbye:)

    I was merely pointing out the charming character of "Dr Kevin Barrett." You're the one hurling invectives and idle threats, and you think you struck a tender spot with me?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Diogenes wrote: »
    You said that the people of Afghanistan are being butchered daily, and did I agree with that. I turned that on it's head, and asked you if you consider the Taliban's behaviour acceptable. You got offended. I don't what you are, but you think I am faecal matter.

    No you asked me did I think it was ok to murder women and children read your post again, what sort of a freaky horrible question is that. I dont think your faecal matter aswell Im sure your a wonderfull chap,really.

    Yeah, threats of physical violence are against the terms of service of this website.

    I take it your going to prove this, if not please put a big wooly sock in it.

    I was merely pointing out the charming character of "Dr Kevin Barrett." You're the one hurling invectives and idle threats, and you think you struck a tender spot with me?

    really, was that before or after you asked me was it ok to murder women and children?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Do you know what a rhetorical question is?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question




    (Yes that was one too.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    WakeUp wrote: »
    really, was that before or after you asked me was it ok to murder women and children?

    Sigh.
    The so-called "Taliban militants," of course, are simply patriotic citizens of Afghanistan and Pakistan,

    You wrote:
    With regards to the occupation of Afghanistan & Iraq, any people or country invaded by a foreign force or army has the right to defend themselves when they are being butchered daily by the US. So you agree with the invasion do you?..
    me wrote:
    The Taliban who murder women and children. Do you agree with the murder of women?

    Barrett views the Taliban as patriotic citizens defending themselves. They are in fact bloodthirsty extremists who murder women and children. They're not defending themselves from US butchers. Do you really think the Taliban are just defending themselves?


    I take it your going to prove this, if not please put a big wooly sock in it.

    I've reported the post it's in the Mod's hands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    humanji wrote: »
    You insulted and threatened him. You may not have meant to follow through with the threat, but it's still a threat. That makes you abusive. Calm it down, stop insulting people, stop threatening people (even half-heartedly) and people will respond appropriately.

    You decided to attack Diogenes for no apparent reason other than that he doesn't much like Barrett. As pointed out, Barret has questionable beliefs and motives and as such calls into question any opinion he puts forward as being anything but biased. Maybe everything he said is true, but with his past record, why would it be believed? It's a valid statement to make.

    And even without his background being brought into question, the content of the article is fairly sensationally surreal and more suited to the likes of The Onion. If he's not trying for humour then I think the article shows us exactly who the actual psychopath is.

    That would be your opinion Humanji of which your entitled but mine would be different. Im not telling people to believe this merely making it available so they can make up their own mind its a blog right? a conspiracy blog? Look back through history one long never ending war after war , death , killing and misery. Why? The majority of the planet dont want it so why does it happen. It happens because the minority are in control and they want it think about it.
    I might disagree with what you and diogenes say as you do me but I respect it nonetheless. If you dont believe it then fair enough your entitled to that. Diogenes if I came across as threatening its not what I intended at all apologies if I did has been a long day thanks for the banter lads, peace.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Regardless of the author's background, lets look at the article on its own merits. Does he not have a point? Has anyone seen The Corporation?

    Corporations, the engines of the economy, are by law registered as individuals, and behave in a manner consistent with psycopathy. They increasingly define our society. Even nation states can behave in an extremely selfish amoral way.
    In the US the corporate and politicals elites are almost interchangeable. The phrase business is business is often a cop out, an excuse for a lack of empathy and the pursuit of selfish interests.

    Our system isn't sustainable, it is a form of aggressive consumption, lacking in understanding/empathy for natural and human requirements with toxic effects for people and the environment. Its not a conspiracy, its a blatant reality which is the slumbering legacy of older, more autocratic times, dating back to the 16th century when inhumanity was tolerated to a greater degree.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Thank you Nyaorothelep, 2 pages before somene actually discussed the OP's article in any sort of meaningful way, tis typical of what we are trying to change about this Forum

    Diogeness, how about discussing the article rather than attacking the author as a wifebeater/childmolester, no where in the article does it say that he hit hiswife and it strikes me as more of a vindictive move by the wife during a failing marrige to lay charges against him on the morning of an election primary, course thats the sort of behaviour you seem to applaud.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Diogeness, how about discussing the article rather than attacking the author as a wifebeater/childmolester, no where in the article does it say that he hit hiswife and it strikes me as more of a vindictive move by the wife during a failing marrige to lay charges against him on the morning of an election primary, course thats the sort of behaviour you seem to applaud.
    Pointing out an ad hominem then following it up with with an ad hominem?

    Diogenes is also pointing out that the author of the article seems to have a rather simplistic view of the war in Afghanistan, evidence by the fact that he fails to point out how bad the Taliban actually are.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    My first propper Modly act

    WakeUp TempBanned for being abusive


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    so lets get this straight

    Talliban Killing civilians and blowin stuff up == BAD
    Americans Killing civilians and blowing stuff up == GOOD

    that your view of thesituation?

    the Taliban are Patriots fighting to defend their country and Way Of Life, the Americans are trying to impose their standards on the Taliban.

    IF THEY INVADED MY HOME I WOULD FIGHT TOO


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    so lets get this straight

    Talliban Killing civilians and blowin stuff up == BAD
    Americans Killing civilians and blowing stuff up == GOOD

    that your view of thesituation?
    A strawman argument too, this is turning into quite the logical fallacy buffet.

    Taliban killing civilians = bad
    americans killing civilians = bad

    Oppressive religious fundamentalist group supplying terrorists and engaging in horrible human rights abuses = very bad
    the Taliban are Patriots fighting to defend their country and Way Of Life, the Americans are trying to impose their standards on the Taliban.

    IF THEY INVADED MY HOME I WOULD FIGHT TOO

    You mean the way life which includes oppression of fundamental human rights like free speech and women being treated as equals?

    Newsflash: the Taliban aren't nice people.

    However I also realise that things like this aren't black and white.
    The British and American forces there are far from squeaky clean.

    Thus I say the the author of the article has a very simplisic view of the situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    so lets get this straight

    Talliban Killing civilians and blowin stuff up == BAD
    Americans Killing civilians and blowing stuff up == GOOD

    that your view of thesituation?

    the Taliban are Patriots fighting to defend their country and Way Of Life, the Americans are trying to impose their standards on the Taliban.

    IF THEY INVADED MY HOME I WOULD FIGHT TOO

    And if their way of life includes the rape murder and torture of women who had the temerity of wanting to walk to a job they don't think women should have?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    and they look at us as infidels, whats your point?

    Do you think we should be allowed to impose our beliefs on another culture by force of arms?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    and they look at us as infidels, whats your point?

    Do you think we should be allowed to impose our beliefs on another culture by force of arms?

    It's not about beliefs, it's about an oppressive regime supplying terrorists.

    You're surely not suggesting that human rights abuses should be a religious freedom.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    Talliban Killing civilians and blowin stuff up == BAD
    Americans Killing civilians and blowing stuff up == GOOd
    that your view of thesituation?

    Wouldn you care to examine the death toil of Afghan civilians by the Taliban vis a vie the death toil of Afghans from the US. The difference is the latter regrets the death toil and tries to compensate, the former doesn't care and indeed actively targets civilians.

    Would you like to compare the figures for the murder of people executed in the old Kabul soccer ground, compared to regretable civilian deaths on behalf of the coalition forces.

    And hey do you want to spot the differnce, the Taliban happily and proudly executed women for adultery and are proud of it, and the USA is profoundly regretful of it's civilian victims.

    I know the above is going to make your brain hurt, but perhaps bonkey can explain the big words to you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Diogenes


    and they look at us as infidels, whats your point?

    Do you think we should be allowed to impose our beliefs on another culture by force of arms?

    Do you really belief that a man can decide a women should be deined an education by throwing acid on their faces?

    http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=30549&wf=rsscol


    Mahatma, put down the shovel and walk away, you're digging yourself into a hole of stupid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Nick_oliveri


    King Mob wrote: »
    You're surely not suggesting that human rights abuses should be a religious freedom.

    Ahhh bollix, would you support them invading Saudi Arabia for the human rights abuses?
    King Mob wrote:
    You mean the way life which includes oppression of fundamental human rights like free speech and women being treated as equals?
    Diogenes wrote:
    And hey do you want to spot the differnce, the Taliban happily and proudly executed women for adultery and are proud of it, and the USA is profoundly regretful of it's civilian victims.
    Sexism is still very ramapant in other Islamic countries. Shall we invade them all? Seriously though, what about Kim Jong il? Wheres the fcuking hatred there? Wheres the Dictator?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Ahhh bollix, would you support them invading Saudi Arabia for the human rights abuses?



    Sexism is still very ramapant in other Islamic countries. Shall we invade them all? Seriously though, what about Kim Jong il? Wheres the fcuking hatred there? Wheres the Dictator?
    I didn't say I supported the invasion, I'm just showing that the Taliban are not exactly patriotic freedom fighters.
    If the war there actually produces a more stable country with more freedoms all the better, but right now it's the very definition of a cluster****.


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