Any planned protest marches?

Faustino wrote: »

Why?

I'm astonished that all this is happening without riots on the street. A loud peaceful protest at what is going on should be the least we are doing.

We have been put in this position by our inept government but also because of the financial chess that is going on right now with the major currencies.. Ireland shouldn't be bullied into this without some sort of revolt.

It's not much but I have started a protest group on facebook and hopefully if it takes off something could be organized in the coming days.

If you feel the same please do join up.

Squeaksoutloud wrote: »

There seems to be two different types of protests people are discussing here! Which one is this thread for?

- Protest against the Irish Government (as per OP)
- Protest against IMF (Faustino)

Just make sure you know which one you are talking about here as they are both different entities.

Faustino wrote: »

I'm sorry but what is happening right now is far bigger than any election day.
FF are a bunch of gangsters but that doesn't mean any of the other parties are better equipped to be in government

I'm not getting into party politics here, this is purely about Ireland being backed into a corner to accept something we don't particularly need right at this minute.

Am I the only person who sees it like this?

Faustino wrote: »

I have no intention of costing the state money.

And seriously.. f**k off with your condescending remarks. Being angry about something is hardly rhetoric.

FoxT wrote: »

I don't agree with you. Ireland is now in a situation where it needs IMF / EU support. As a condition of that support, we will have to adopt austerity measures, some of which will be universally unpopular.

It is going to be unpleasant but I see no alternative. Do you?

Faustino wrote: »

Agreed.. the IMF will only do one thing.. load us with debt and take any wealth the country actually has. It's going to be a complete disaster.

Uriel. wrote: »

Have you any evidence of this?

Faustino wrote: »

I'm all for difference of opinion and debate.. but not when someone is being condescending and obnoxious about it.

Sort out your tone and i'll be happy to discuss your take on things

Faustino wrote: »

and they only borrowed €7.5bn
In December 2008, the Latvian government was forced to seek an IMF bailout when it could not raise short-term funds. The payback, however, was immense. If Ireland needs similar help, stringent cuts across the board would be inevitable.

Last week, the Sunday Tribune spoke to a number of Latvian journalists about that bailout and how it has affected their country over the past two years.

Known as the 'Baltic Tiger', Latvia's economy grew by 50% between 2004 and 2007. Not unlike Ireland, much of the country's growth was generated by a credit-fuelled property bubble.

Paul Raudseps, economics editor of the Latvian weekly news magazine Ir, recalled: "We had a huge real estate bubble and we were importing more and exporting less. We were borrowing to pay for that deficit and then the global financial crisis hit."


Unlike Ireland, where we have had an across-the-board banking crisis, only one of Latvia's banks, Parex, had to be rescued by the state. The government initially took a 51% stake in the bank before it nationalised it, pouring taxpayers' money into it.


The rest of the country's main banks are Swedish-owned and as a result of Scandinavian banks managing to pull through the global crisis, Latvia was spared a full-scale banking crisis.


The Baltic Tiger breathed its last in a similar manner to the Celtic Tiger. The Latvian economy had peaked in 2007 and the government was already worried about declining tax receipts when the global financial crisis hit towards the end of 2008.

Raudseps explained that 10% of Latvia's GDP was poured into the failed Parex bank and by November 2008, the crisis hit breaking point. The Latvian government was no longer able to borrow money on the bond markets so it was forced to call on a joint EU/IMF financial bailout.

"The total package was €7.5bn. About half of that was put up by the EU Commission, with a further 20-25% from the IMF and the rest was made of bilateral loans," said Raudsepps.

"Overall, the contraction in the economy from its peak in 2008 to the bottom in 2009 was just a little less than 25% of GDP. The government that was in office at the time the EU/IMF deal was done signed an agreement in December 2008 which foresaw a 5% contraction in 2009 but the contraction in that year was actually 18%."

The IMF has become the bogeyman in Irish politics. Any mention of its arrival has been met with commentary about the level of reputational damage it would do to a country that fought so hard for its political and economic sovereignty. So what has the bogeyman actually done to Latvia?

Nathan Greenhalgh is the editor-in-chief of the Baltic Reports news website and he explained that "the IMF has primarily insisted that Latvia continue with deep cuts to meet agreed-upon GDP deficit percentages. It's been a bit of good cop, bad cop with the World Bank praising Latvia's resolve to cut while the IMF insists it isn't doing enough and must cut more.


"The IMF has insisted on cuts, cuts, cuts and it has also pressed Latvia to reform its pension scheme which is unsustainable at current levels."


In the last two years, the austerity measures in Latvia's budgets have seen massive cuts in the health and education sectors. The number of hospitals has been cut from 59 to 42 and 58 schools have been closed down.

Daiga Grube, of the LETA news agency, believes the IMF intervention has focused mostly on guiding Latvia's fiscal policies.

"Pressure from the IMF to consolidate the state's budget helped our politicians to take very hard steps, but we can't be 100% sure that these steps were the best solution for society in general," she said.

On a positive note, Grube said the IMF has saved the Latvian state from bankruptcy and it has been able to keep functioning by continuing to pay pensions, salaries and social welfare payments.


While the IMF bailout has not affected the country's ranking in the World Bank's 'Ease of Doing Business' survey, it has affected investment. According to Latvia's Central Statistics Bureau, the inflow of foreign direct investment, which fuelled the post-Soviet country's growth during the Baltic Tiger boom years, has taken a massive hit and shows little sign of recovering, especially as domestic demand remains in the doldrums.

Since the crisis hit, neighbour Lithuania has managed to attract IBM, Barclay's and Western Union to locate there while Estonia expects an influx of investment after it switches to the euro in January. Latvia has not experienced any such investment in the last two years as cutting the budget deficit has taken priority over everything else on the political and economic agenda.

The unemployment rate tripled, hitting a peak of 22% in January before it fell back to 16% in June.

In March 2009, Valdis Dombrovskis left his role as an MEP in Brussels and returned home as prime minister.

Since, then Dombrovskis has pushed through some of the most draconian measures in Europe to rescue Latvia from bankruptcy.

There have been salary cuts of up to 30% across the public sector, income tax has been increased from 23% to 26%, Vat from 18% to 21%, the number of state agencies has been halved from 76 to 39 and there have been further tax increases on alcohol, cars and property.

Faustino wrote: »

I'm not condoning rioting in any way shape or form, i'm just surprised it's not happening.. the French take to the streets at any sign of a cut.

The Irish just seem to take it lying down which is the most troubling thing.

We said no to Lisbon, we were bullied into voting again.. the threat of us not voting yes was basically what is happening now.

Why shouldn't we take to the streets?

Faustino wrote: »

Just calling a spade a spade..

Faustino wrote: »

I have stated multiple times that any protest should be peaceful yet you keep repeating your wish for a lack of violence?