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    #122
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    The zero tolerance point is obvious? Either it exists or it doesn't, so if it does it should be applied equally. There was some double speak about the rules being the same but applied differently depending on "context", but the point was, if zero tolerance exists it should be applied equally.

    Are you looking for a one-size-fits-all zero tolerance policy in one particular forum, or all over the site and its ~1000 forums?


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    #123
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    If by "made clear" you mean, "this is how it is and if you don't like it tough" then yes, that has been the overwhelming impression here.

    The zero tolerance point is obvious? Either it exists or it doesn't, so if it does it should be applied equally. There was some double speak about the rules being the same but applied differently depending on "context", but the point was, if zero tolerance exists it should be applied equally. Whether that's a bitch to mod or a cinch to mod I can't tell you.

    Can you explain why you'd like to know the details of every post you reported?

    I can't speak for every forum so I'm not sure of what, if any forums, have zero tolerance on certain rules.
    Site wide it would be spamming or shilling off the top of my head, which I'm sure you'd agree is understandable.
    With that being said, many people who "spam" here are pardoned from prison once they understand their mistake. So as you can see, having zero tolerance is both good and bad. And it's better to have context and leeway.


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    #124
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    An File wrote: »
    Are you looking for a one-size-fits-all zero tolerance policy in one particular forum, or all over the site and its ~1000 forums?

    No I was explaining the point raised to BD.


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    #125
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,303 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    Would I have still got the warning if I suggested a sticky but did not quote the mod's comment of what we could and could not post?

    My point was a general one. I have no idea why you were warned as I haven't got any insight into any warnings you have been given.


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    #126
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Can you explain why you'd like to know the details of every post you reported?

    I'm not trying to be rude but can you read this thread please, it's discussed at length why users would like to know if something they reported has been actioned or even if the report has been seen and no action taken. There are other previous threads in Feedback explaining the same thing.


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    #127
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    I'm not trying to be rude but can you read this thread please, it's discussed at length why users would like to know if something they reported has been actioned or even if the report has been seen and no action taken. There are other previous threads in Feedback explaining the same thing.

    Yes but I'd like you, yourself, to clarify why you feel it's so important so we can have a concrete opinion that we can go on.


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    #128
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Yes but I'd like you, yourself, to clarify why you feel it's so important so we can have a concrete opinion that we can go on.

    See my posts 10, 12 and onwards for my own words on it.

    There are plenty of concrete opinions here, starting with the opening post.


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    #129
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    My point was a general one. I have no idea why you were warned as I haven't got any insight into any warnings you have been given.

    Mine was a general question as well. I had never had a warning either, so this wasn't a case of "being a dick" (a phrase I personally find very juvenile, but that is just a personal opinion).


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    #130
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    See my posts 10, 12 and onwards for my own words on it.

    There are plenty of concrete opinions here, starting with the opening post.

    Read 10 and 12.
    So, let's go with a counter question.
    Why are you reporting a post at all?
    Any sort of rule-breaking post, from "insert hate speech" to someone posting porn.
    Why would you report a post or do you not report any post?


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    #131
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Read 10 and 12.
    So, let's go with a counter question.
    Why are you reporting a post at all?
    Any sort of rule-breaking post, from "insert hate speech" to someone posting porn.
    Why would you report a post or do you not report any post?

    I've largely stopped because there is no feedback on it.


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    #132
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    I've largely stopped because there is no feedback on it.

    So, when you did report posts (any post, BTW), why'd you do it?


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    #133
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Read 10 and 12.
    So, let's go with a counter question.
    Why are you reporting a post at all?
    Any sort of rule-breaking post, from "insert hate speech" to someone posting porn.
    Why would you report a post or do you not report any post?

    There are many reasons a person would report a post. Surely as a mod you are privy to that information yourself.


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    #134
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    So, when you did report posts (any post, BTW), why'd you do it?

    Many different reasons.

    If you don't see the reason then why is there a reason to fill in on it?


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    #135
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Sunflower 27 wrote: »
    There are many reasons a person would report a post. Surely as a mod you are privy to that information yourself.

    Ah, no. I didn't mean the literal reason "this is personal abuse, this is spam and this is porn" etc. I meant personally, to that person, why report it.


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    #136
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Read 10 and 12.
    So, let's go with a counter question.
    Why are you reporting a post at all?
    Any sort of rule-breaking post, from "insert hate speech" to someone posting porn.
    Why would you report a post or do you not report any post?
    What's the point of these questions? You're now saying that the motivation behind reporting a post is what is important, not the content.
    Bizarre.


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    #137
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Many different reasons.

    If you don't see the reason then why is there a reason to fill in on it?

    I am not a mind reader. If you can explain why you don't do it any more then can't you explain why you did it before or are you just purposely going to be difficult?


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    #138
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    What's the point of these questions? You're now saying that the motivation behind reporting a post is what is important, not the content.
    Bizarre.

    Not bizarre at all, really.

    Sometimes people report posts for the good of the forum. They might not appreciate people causing hassle and ruining the atmosphere.

    Sometimes people are petty, and report stuff the way that annoying kids in classrooms tell on each other. "Miss, he said a bad word! Sir, he's using a biro instead of a pencil!" That kind of silly stuff, reporting just to feel smug about someone else getting in trouble.

    Hence the motivation questions, I'd imagine. Intent AND content.


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    #139
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    I am not a mind reader. If you can explain why you don't do it any more then can't you explain why you did it before or are you just purposely going to be difficult?

    I don't understand the point of your questions? I feel like you are trying to lead me somewhere..... But where I just don't know!

    Why is the reason for me specifically reporting posts important?

    Btw there isn't a record for me to consult so the best I can give you is many different reasons.


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    #140
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    I don't understand the point of your questions? I feel like you are trying to lead me somewhere..... But where I just don't know!

    Why is the reason for me specifically reporting posts important?

    Going off on what An File said. I'll explain exactly what and why I want to know.

    The actual reason (ie what rule is being broken) isn't what I care about; trolling. spam, etc... it's irrelevant to this topic. What is relevant is why you would report a post in general. So, we know you stopped reporting in general since you get no feedback. Okay, I'll accept that. But why would you report a post in general?


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    #141
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    An File wrote: »
    Not bizarre at all, really.

    Sometimes people report posts for the good of the forum. They might not appreciate people causing hassle and ruining the atmosphere.

    Sometimes people are petty, and report stuff the way that annoying kids in classrooms tell on each other. "Miss, he said a bad word! Sir, he's using a biro instead of a pencil!" That kind of silly stuff, reporting just to feel smug about someone else getting in trouble.

    Hence the motivation questions, I'd imagine. Intent AND content.

    Wouldn't they both be perfect examples of why visibility is good? So people can see standards? So the good of the forum ones increase and continue and the petty ones give up because they know no action is taken?

    Your post illustrates the issue very well.


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    #142
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    An File wrote: »
    Not bizarre at all, really.

    Sometimes people report posts for the good of the forum. They might not appreciate people causing hassle and ruining the atmosphere.

    Sometimes people are petty, and report stuff the way that annoying kids in classrooms tell on each other. "Miss, he said a bad word! Sir, he's using a biro instead of a pencil!" That kind of silly stuff, reporting just to feel smug about someone else getting in trouble.

    Hence the motivation questions, I'd imagine. Intent AND content.

    TBH I still think that's ridiculous. Telling someone to stop reporting OK posts is one thing, but you are now admitting that the content of the reported post isn't the most important factor if you've decided you don't like the motivations of the guy reporting it.


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    #143
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    But why would you report a post in general?

    Well I wouldn't in general, not anymore.


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    #144
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    you are now admitting that the content of the reported post isn't the most important factor if you've decided you don't like the motivations of the guy reporting it.

    That's not what I said at all. Good try though.


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    #145
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Well I wouldn't in general, not anymore.

    So what was your motivation to report a post?


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    #146
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    An File wrote: »
    That's not what I said at all. Good try though.
    Good try at a get out.
    You did exactly admit that the motivation of the person reporting a post is taken into consideration.
    An File wrote: »
    That kind of silly stuff, reporting just to feel smug about someone else getting in trouble.
    Now could you explain why this has any bearing whatsoever on whether a reported post should be actioned or not?


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    #147
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    So what was your motivation to report a post?

    Many different reasons.


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    #148
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    Is it just me or has this thread opened anyone else's eyes up to the fact there would be a lot less reported posts and need for feedback and dispute forums and everything else if rules were consistently enforced in the same manner - all the time?

    It sounds as if mod discretion is what is important when really it should be about the general posting public. They are what makes the site. Without them there would be no need for mods at all. It seems to me the site is quite misguided in this regard.


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    #149
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    the content of the reported post isn't the most important factor if you've decided you don't like the motivations of the guy reporting it.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You did exactly admit that the motivation of the person reporting a post is taken into consideration.

    These are not the same thing. Good man for backtracking a little bit, though.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Now could you explain why this has any bearing whatsoever on whether a reported post should be actioned or not?

    It has nothing to do with the action taken on a reported post. I was explaining the rationale behind Brutal Deluxe's questions. I assume he's trying to get other posters in this thread to consider their own motivations.


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    #150
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Many different reasons.

    Explain some, please. Because right now we're going around in circles.
    Will you please explain the motivations behind why you have reported posts in the past. It's crucial to helping me understand and secondly, to helping you understand my point.


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    #151
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Explain some, please. Because right now we're going around in circles.
    Will you please explain the motivations behind why you have reported posts in the past. It's crucial to helping me understand and secondly, to helping you understand my point.

    I haven't got access to reasons I've reported posts in the past but off the top of my head I know I have reported posts that were homophobic.


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