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The norths undemacratic base

  • 08-08-2012 11:33pm
    #1
    laoch na mona
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    when NI was created counties with nationalist majorities ( Fermanagh and Tyrone) were forced into a unionists domminated state which violated there rights for many years recently the number of counties with nationalists majorities has increased surely any person who beleves in democracy can see how fumdamentally unjust it is.

    surely we should pressure our pollititions into ensuring our country men and women are no longer forced to live under foreign rule


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  • #2
    mike65
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    Read the Belfast Agreement and the Anglo-Irish Agreement.


  • #3
    Eggy Baby!
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    surely we should pressure our pollititions into ensuring our country men and women are no longer forced to live under foreign rule

    Why doesn't the government of NI introduce a referendum for Fermanagh and Tyrone to see if they want to rejoin the republic?


  • #4
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Eggy Baby! wrote: »
    Why doesn't the government of NI introduce a referendum for Fermanagh and Tyrone to see if they want to rejoin the republic?

    I dare say the answer would be a devastating "No".


  • #5
    im invisible
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    Does the term 'county' have any legal meaning up there at all?


  • #6
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    mike65 wrote: »
    Read the Belfast Agreement and the Anglo-Irish Agreement.

    its easy draw up a new agreement
    i think the progress made has been great but its time to take the next step


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  • #7
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Eggy Baby! wrote: »
    Why doesn't the government of NI introduce a referendum for Fermanagh and Tyrone to see if they want to rejoin the republic?

    the unionist majority wouldnt do that
    that would be an ideal solution but vote would have to be on a county by county basis


  • #8
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    im invisible wrote: »
    Does the term 'county' have any legal meaning up there at all?
    counties were a british idea


  • #9
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Districts_of_Northern_Ireland


  • #10
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    its easy draw up a new agreement
    Really? So these agreements (Anglo Irish Agreement, Belfast Agreement) were concluded swiftly and without any problems to iron out and didn't take years of negotiation to deliver something vaguely acceptable to both sides? :rolleyes:


  • #11
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    laoch na mona wrote: »
    the unionist majority wouldnt do that
    that would be an ideal solution but vote would have to be on a county by county basis
    You do realise that (assuming the nominally nationalist populace votes your way) if the counties with nationalist majorities did vote to leave NI that it would leave many of your fellow Irishmen in a rump of a NI that would be 90% unionist and they would never have any hope of seeing a UI for themselves. Not exactly solidarity, given the "freestaters" still cop the flak for "abandoning" northern nationalists in 1921. It would be the same, but on a smaller scale.

    Leave NI the way it is for God's sake. You claim people have to live under a government they don't want blah blah well guess what....most of the people in the RoI don't want to live under their govt either!


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  • #12
    chughes
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    Would people in Fermanagh and Tyrone be happy to join a jurisdiction that is going to have to pay Quinn's gambling debts for the next 20 years or more?


  • #13
    Laminations
    Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    chughes wrote: »
    Would people in Fermanagh and Tyrone be happy to join a jurisdiction that is going to have to pay Quinn's gambling debts for the next 20 years or more?

    Would the people who have to pay these debts be happy having to take the people of Fermanagh and Tyrone that hold a fugitive to the republic up as a hero and support Quinn in welching on his debts (obviously not all of them but it is Quinn country)

    The ROI has a say in reunification. While I want it I wouldn't vote for it yet. We can't afford you economically. And socially I'd prefer to wait until some of your republican miscreants (the type that lob petrol bombs at the PSNI) mature.


  • #14
    Crooked Jack
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    The north is inherently undemocratic. Its very existence is an affront to democracy, I dont think anyone could argue against that, but there is an agreement in place and for the sake of ensuring peace and a peaceful transition to unity it's best to do everything through the GFA. A county by county referendum would just redraw the boundaries of partition, which is pointless as the aim is to end partition altogether.
    As for Murphaph, why do you think it is that ""freestaters" still cop the flak for "abandoning" northern nationalists in 1921" ?


  • #15
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    The north is inherently undemocratic. Its very existence is an affront to democracy,

    What a daft thing to say. Northern Ireland can be voted out of existence at any time according to the Belfast Agreement, can't get more democratic than that.


  • #16
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    Thread not even close to the standard required for this forum

    Cheers

    DrG


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