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Game of Thrones [HBO & Sky Atlantic] **Spoilers** (Read Warning Post #1)

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  • #602
    miniPhil
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭miniPhil


    Loved the last episode. Ned's a swell guy and all but I'd hate to be one of his bodyguards. They tend to die a lot.


  • #603
    dr gonzo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭dr gonzo


    Richard Dower wrote: »
    My LOTR refrenced post got axed :(
    I wonder if Renly is dead?.....and was LIttlefinger working with the Lannisters all along?

    I think he left the city with as many followers as he could find. Although im not great with character names so that could be wrong.

    Is it just me or does it seem like Jon and the entire wall are being wasted. I would have hoped for a parallel story with the white walkers but nothing of any note whatsoever so far. Im starting to thing that things are just going to explode in the next few episodes with a major cliffhanger for the next series because it seems like theres a lot of threads to tie up in a relatively short space of remaining time.


  • #604
    miniPhil
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭miniPhil


    dr gonzo wrote: »
    Is it just me or does it seem like Jon and the entire wall are being wasted.
    I think we're going to see a lot more of them now with the hand that they found. Personally I'm way more interested in Renly. Before it seemed impossible for him to get the thrones but now he is second in line after his brother. Also once his brother discovers the truth thanks to Neds letter there has to be a war. Renly is looking like a big time contender for the throne.


  • #605
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    Ya, have to agree with that, we seem to heading towards one massive cliffhanger of a season finale.

    Best getting reading the books. Give Mr E a major headache then next year. ;)


  • #606
    don ramo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    anoter great episode, great to see were building to something great,

    it looks like the white walkers are moving closer to the wall, the lanisters are ready to go to war over tyrion (whos already free:D), the dothraki are gonna be sailing on there wooden horses soon, stark has a knife to his throat and we have a spoiled inbread little sh1t on the throne,

    stark should have just walked away, his honour does seem to get the best of him to often,

    im looking more forward to reading the book when the series ends and then rewatching season 1, i dunno if ill move straight to the second book, id say id enjoy watching the show not knowing what gonna happen, and then fill in the blanks by reading each book after there respective seasons,


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  • #607
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Hey, my pithy response disappeared too. It wasn't spoiler'y, it was pithy damnit. Pithy!


  • #608
    SuperInfinity
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    I will relent and not give anymore information from the books whatsoever. It was from stuff that already happened on the tv show and what the presenters really meant you to know from the tv show without a doubt. Regardless, that is a judgement on my behalf, so I won't anymore. I did think that everything that had happened in the books was able to be told, but on reflection I can see why that logic may be objectionable also.


  • #609
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    I will relent and not give anymore information from the books whatsoever. It was from stuff that already happened on the tv show and what the presenters really meant you to know from the tv show without a doubt. Regardless, that is a judgement on my behalf, so I won't anymore. I did think that everything that had happened in the books was able to be told, but on reflection I can see why that logic may be objectionable also.

    I've read the books and watched the show and guess what I disagree with you. I'd go along the lines that the pardon was offered at this stage for his previous services of spying. As he's now got his pardon he realises that something must have been decided and he's no longer needed as spy. That's why he's on his guard and figures out the wine merchant.

    I think D&D were putting this across in the show. Doesn't matter what happened in the books. This is the tv show. There 'will' be changes. Get used to that and stop trying to sound all high and mighty because you've read the books and picked up another understanding.


  • #610
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    dr gonzo wrote: »
    Im starting to thing that things are just going to explode in the next few episodes with a major cliffhanger for the next series because it seems like theres a lot of threads to tie up in a relatively short space of remaining time.

    You know there's 4 books, soon 5 and eventually more right???:D

    It's not going to be all tied up by season end. There won't be some new 'big bad' each season.

    3 episodes left. GF(Non-reader) definitely fully hooked after these last 2 episodes.


  • #611
    pljudge321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭pljudge321


    s.welstead wrote: »
    You know there's 4 books, soon 5 and eventually more right???:D

    It's not going to be all tied up by season end. There won't be some new 'big bad' each season.

    3 episodes left. GF(Non-reader) definitely fully hooked after these last 2 episodes.

    And I doubt they will be able to fit all of some of the later books into one season, the third book was published in two parts and Dance will be nearly as long.

    Can't wait for the next episode now, I regret watching episode 7 last week instead of waiting.


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  • #612
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    pljudge321 wrote: »
    And I doubt they will be able to fit all of some of the later books into one season, the third book was published in two parts and Dance will be nearly as long.

    Can't wait for the next episode now, I regret watching episode 7 last week instead of waiting.
    I'm sure they don't have to limit each season to ten episodes either.;)


  • #613
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Degag wrote: »
    I'm sure they don't have to limit each season to ten episodes either.;)

    Or they could just skip this ridiculous idea of seasons and keep going on and on and on and on... :pac:


  • #614
    pljudge321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭pljudge321


    Degag wrote: »
    I'm sure they don't have to limit each season to ten episodes either.;)

    I imagine 12 episodes for season 2, they could have done with more breathing space this season.


  • #615
    JonnyF
    Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭JonnyF


    s.welstead wrote: »
    Excellent episode except for the brothel scene. That just seemed 'strange' to say the least. Oh well it got the nudity quota in.:cool:

    Been surprised by Jason Momoa's acting chops. Who would have though Ronin was up to bringing Drogo to life.

    Also about bloody time one of the Direwolves showed up!!! FFS get working on CGI for next season as it's obvious the trainers were not up to the task. CGI wolves is better than none.


    Was I the only one who thought he looked like he was doing the Haka in that scene where he said they'd invade Kings Landing? I liked it but I thought it was almost move for move the Kamate Haka the All Blacks do before matches.


  • #616
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    pljudge321 wrote: »
    I imagine 12 episodes for season 2, they could have done with more breathing space this season.

    Wasn't it moved to 10 from 12 due to budget cuts? If so, then hopefully the success of season 1 will allow a slightly more expansive budget next season and we will get 12 episodes.


  • #617
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    5starpool wrote: »
    Wasn't it moved to 10 from 12 due to budget cuts? If so, then hopefully the success of season 1 will allow a slightly more expansive budget next season and we will get 12 episodes.

    Think it's pretty much one of the most expensive tv series to date. I don't think I heard anything about budget cuts. Plan was always for 10 epsiodes but everyone just assumed it would be 12 for some reason.

    Any extra budget for season 2 needs to go on some CGI. Dothraki hoarde my arse, looks like about 50 people.


  • #618
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    JonnyF wrote: »
    Was I the only one who thought he looked like he was doing the Haka in that scene where he said they'd invade Kings Landing? I liked it but I thought it was almost move for move the Kamate Haka the All Blacks do before matches.

    Well he is a Kiwi! Think I remember an interview with him where he said he went for an audition and just did the Haka. Think it might have been for Conan.

    Edit: He's not a Kiwi, always just assumed that for some reason. He's Hawaiian! :)

    Actually just googled it, he did it for both Conan and GoT. So they obviously planned the war cry speech with that in mind.
    http://www.staradvertiser.com/features/featuresstories/20110415_momoa_won_conan_role_by_performing_a_haka_for_hbo.html


  • #619
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    s.welstead wrote: »
    Think it's pretty much one of the most expensive tv series to date. I don't think I heard anything about budget cuts. Plan was always for 10 epsiodes but everyone just assumed it would be 12 for some reason.
    "Rome", from figures posted here, was considerably more expensive. I think "Boardwalk Empire" was too. It's dear but there's even worse on the network.


  • #620
    Cianos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Been watching this too and enjoying it a lot.

    Just have a couple of questions; Why was John (?) sent to the wall when he's not a criminal?

    And when will season 2 be aired?

    Thanks :)


  • #621
    Medu
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Medu


    Cianos wrote: »
    Been watching this too and enjoying it a lot.

    Just have a couple of questions; Why was John (?) sent to the wall when he's not a criminal?

    And when will season 2 be aired?

    Thanks :)

    Jon Snow wasn't sent to the wall, he wanted to go.


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  • #622
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Cianos wrote: »
    And when will season 2 be aired?

    Give them a chance to film it! They've only just begun casting some of the new roles for season 2.

    I'd say they'll keep it in the same place in the schedule as the current run. So April 2012.


  • #623
    Cianos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    s.welstead wrote: »
    Give them a chance to film it! They've only just begun casting some of the new roles for season 2.

    I'd say they'll keep it in the same place in the schedule as the current run. So April 2012.

    Really? :( Didn't think it'd only be 7 episodes long, I came online to find number 8 and suspected it could be finished when it was nowhere to be found!

    Almost a year to wait so, that sucks.


  • #624
    Mr E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,534 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    This season is 10 episodes. Still 3 to go.
    Nobody knows how long season 2 will be.


  • #625
    Anachrony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Anachrony


    Cianos wrote: »
    Really? :( Didn't think it'd only be 7 episodes long, I came online to find number 8 and suspected it could be finished when it was nowhere to be found!

    The first season is 10 episodes long. Episode 7 just aired. Perhaps you're confused because a preview of episode 7 was made available last week, so if you saw episode 7 a week in advance there was no new episode this week.

    Why would you expect less than a year between seasons?


  • #626
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Cianos wrote: »
    Really? :( Didn't think it'd only be 7 episodes long, I came online to find number 8 and suspected it could be finished when it was nowhere to be found!

    Almost a year to wait so, that sucks.

    Ah ok, what's probably confusing is that this is one of the first major US tv shows we're getting pretty much in synch with the US. So no chance of popping online to pick up the next episode as it hasn't aired anywhere yet.

    As mentioned already 3 more episodes. Next one up is "The Pointy End"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q653MMhri3A

    This is the one episode that was written by the author.


  • #627
    Cianos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Ah right, I thought last week was ep 6+7 and this week would be ep 8 rather than there being a gap week - I thought it was odd to have only 7 episodes in a season and to end on such a note.


  • #628
    pljudge321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭pljudge321


    Cianos wrote: »
    Almost a year to wait so, that sucks.

    Try waiting for the books. :pac:


  • #629
    SuperInfinity
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    s.welstead wrote: »
    Ah ok, what's probably confusing is that this is one of the first major US tv shows we're getting pretty much in synch with the US. So no chance of popping online to pick up the next episode as it hasn't aired anywhere yet.

    As mentioned already 3 more episodes. Next one up is "The Pointy End"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q653MMhri3A

    This is the one episode that was written by the author.

    Lest people misunderstand this: Martin is credited as being a producer and was heavily involved in the casting (right now he is casting season 2 according to his not a blog). Martin has worked on fantasy tv shows before, so it's not like he's just starting out at it.

    I do not know if Martin had his hand in other scripts, but I could see him editing some lines afterwards, adding bits here and there or something. Writing a script from scratch would be far harder and more complicated.

    Personally I don't look at teasers as a rule.


  • #630
    Orizio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Cianos wrote: »
    Been watching this too and enjoying it a lot.

    Just have a couple of questions; Why was John (?) sent to the wall when he's not a criminal?

    And when will season 2 be aired?

    Thanks :)

    He went to the wall willingly, as a 'bastard' he felt ostracised amongst his family in Winterfell and particularly by Catelyn. The Wall and Night's Watch is supposed to be a refuge for outcasts, rather then just criminals.


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  • #631
    GetInTheHole!
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭GetInTheHole!


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Lest people misunderstand this: Martin is credited as being a producer and was heavily involved in the casting (right now he is casting season 2 according to his not a blog). Martin has worked on fantasy tv shows before, so it's not like he's just starting out at it.

    I do not know if Martin had his hand in other scripts, but I could see him editing some lines afterwards, adding bits here and there or something. Writing a script from scratch would be far harder and more complicated.

    Personally I don't look at teasers as a rule.


    Hello again..
    Good Bye again..
    Hello again..

    Small bit indecisive as a rule more likely?


  • #632
    Dermighty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    After about 15 minutes into the latest episode (Ep. 7) I turned it off. It's just so ****ing bland!


  • #633
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    Dermighty wrote: »
    After about 15 minutes into the latest episode (Ep. 7) I turned it off. It's just so ****ing bland!

    :eek: GTFO!


  • #634
    Conchir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    Dermighty wrote: »
    After about 15 minutes into the latest episode (Ep. 7) I turned it off. It's just so ****ing bland!

    Really? I just got round to watching Ep. 7 last night, and I have to say I think it's really heating up now.


  • #635
    PhiloCypher
    Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Dermighty wrote: »
    After about 15 minutes into the latest episode (Ep. 7) I turned it off. It's just so ****ing bland!

    Are you trolling us good sir , your telling me you struggled through 6 episodes of the show before deciding it was to bland for you just as the s**t hits the fan ?!?!


  • #636
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Damn my need for instant gratification

    Wish I watched episode Seven this week

    Two weeks is too long to wait

    I'm a third of the way through the book, flying along

    Dermighty wrote: »
    After about 15 minutes into the latest episode (Ep. 7) I turned it off. It's just so ****ing bland!

    If you're not a fan and that's cool but wouldn't you quit after two or three episodes. Who watches seven and then leaves?


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  • #637
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    That's actually a thought I had right from the start and can't shake it. Even that he was so uncomfortable about talking about it to Robert, his best friend has me thinking it's hard to believe he sired a bastard. But again could his "honour" allow him to tell Jon Snow "You may not have my name, but you have my blood" if he didn't really mean it?

    This ties in to what my GF said after we watched Ep. 7 last night.

    Bearing in mind I'm the nerd who's been watching GoT avidly and have read this forum amongst other things to familiarise myself with the characters etc (if you read between the lines this means I haven't read the books)

    Then my GF (whilst filing her nails) comes out with...

    "Why are they giving this Jon Snow fella more airtime than Ned's real kids? I bet he isn't really Ned's kid anyway, Ned's to much of a goody two-shoes to cheat on his wife. I bet you Jon is really the King's son which he had with Ned's sister and that's why Ned's looking after him."

    And then off she went to make a cup of tea while I sat there gobsmacked. I wouldn't have come up with that idea if you paid me!!


  • #638
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    "Why are they giving this Jon Snow fella more airtime than Ned's real kids? I bet he isn't really Ned's kid anyway, Ned's to much of a goody two-shoes to cheat on his wife. I bet you Jon is really the King's son which he had with Ned's sister and that's why Ned's looking after him."

    :eek:

    Sounds totally plausible, but what a secret for Ned to keep all these years.

    But if its true, Robert didn't even know, recall the conversation in episode 2 where Robert asked Ned about Jon's mother, and he wouldn't speak of her.

    A worse possibility could be that Jon is someone else's son, I dare not say it here, in case I get flamed, but do you recall who took Ned's sister?


  • #639
    KerranJast
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭KerranJast


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    This ties in to what my GF said after we watched Ep. 7 last night.

    Bearing in mind I'm the nerd who's been watching GoT avidly and have read this forum amongst other things to familiarise myself with the characters etc (if you read between the lines this means I haven't read the books)

    Then my GF (whilst filing her nails) comes out with...

    "Why are they giving this Jon Snow fella more airtime than Ned's real kids? I bet he isn't really Ned's kid anyway, Ned's to much of a goody two-shoes to cheat on his wife. I bet you Jon is really the King's son which he had with Ned's sister and that's why Ned's looking after him."

    And then off she went to make a cup of tea while I sat there gobsmacked. I wouldn't have come up with that idea if you paid me!!
    I read an even darker theory about his lineage on another forum. The poster swears they haven't read the books and that it isn't a spoiler but I have my doubts so I won't repeat it.


  • #640
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    Mr Freeze wrote: »
    But if its true, Robert didn't even know, recall the conversation in episode 2 where Robert asked Ned about Jon's mother, and he wouldn't speak of her.

    Robert was always talking about the good old days when he was off fighting in battles. So Jon could be the result of a last hurrah between King Bob and Ned's sis before Bob went off to bash some skulls in. He could easily have been away for months/years and would've been none the wiser of Jon's existence.
    Mr Freeze wrote: »
    A worse possibility could be that Jon is someone else's son, I dare not say it here, in case I get flamed, but do you recall who took Ned's sister?

    If I'm not mistaken it was a
    Targaryen
    of some description, wasn't it? If that's the case then
    Jon has a distinct lack of blond hair

    Dunno why I'm putting these spoiler tags on as I'm only guessing myself :rolleyes:


  • #641
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    SuiteCheex wrote: »

    If I'm not mistaken it was a
    Targaryen
    of some description, wasn't it? If that's the case then
    Jon has a distinct lack of blond hair

    Dunno why I'm putting these spoiler tags on as I'm only guessing myself :rolleyes:

    I was thinking the same thing so you saved me the hassle of having to put in spoiler tags myself :D


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  • #642
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    I really hope that Jon's lineage turns out to be Roberts or Neds, cause the other possibility is just cruel to even think of.


  • #643
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Mr E wrote: »
    Most people here haven't read the book.
    Please use this thread in the sci-fi forum if you want to talk about the book.
    Nobody here wants to talk about the book.

    Why is this so hard to understand? :confused:

    Shocking that a poster who has given out so much about spoiler in this thread doesn't seem to realise it is about the TV series NOT the books.



    In relation to the Robert/Lyanna thing, were they ever together or were they just betrothed? Ned in the first 2 episodes seems to wish 'Robert would get over his fixation with me sister'


  • #644
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Waaaa?.....ooh!, DRAMA!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #645
    Cianos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Orizio wrote: »
    He went to the wall willingly, as a 'bastard' he felt ostracised amongst his family in Winterfell and particularly by Catelyn. The Wall and Night's Watch is supposed to be a refuge for outcasts, rather then just criminals.

    This is what I didn't get really - it's not like his relationship with the family that took him in was difficult - there seems to be an acute awareness that he isn't of true lineage but other than that he seems quite accepted? His rapport with Ned seems solid enough anyway which would suggest that others would hold respect for him as well. Even being the son of Ned and being able handed in combat should grant him respect amongst the kingdom, bastard or not. So his desire to go to the wall for reasons of feeling like an outcast seems a bit stretched imo.


  • #646
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    its pretty much impossible to get the characters motivations and inner thoughts that were in the books into the tv series. that's all i'll say on the matter so I don't draw the wrath of non book spoilery people.


  • #647
    MayoForSam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    Cianos wrote: »
    So his desire to go to the wall for reasons of feeling like an outcast seems a bit stretched imo.

    He did have one other strong motivation - to follow in the footsteps of his Uncle Benjen who he seemed to have a very good relationship with. Also, perhaps Jon knew in his heart and soul that he would never truly belong with the Starks and some innate curiosity about The Wall or 'calling' got the better of him.

    Not sure how Benjen ended up at The Wall in the first place though.


  • #648
    Savage Tyrant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    I think "The Wall" and taking the Black are seen as a way by many of gaining or regaining honour. Although many are sent there as punishment rather than take more extreme or finite punishments, to voluntarily go to protect the 7 kingdoms would be seen as a brave and honourable thing to do.


  • #649
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    For most it's either that or prison/death, quite an easy choice since most have no idea what's waiting for them.

    Jon and Sam are about the only ones who are doing it for other reasons.


  • #650
    Cianos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Don't they commit to a life of solitude and abstinence and commitment to guarding the wall for as long as they live? If Jon wanted to gain some respect and honour it would seem a bit wasted if he's to just live out his days at the wall and nothing else, especially when he had a good family who he got on with.


  • #651
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    To guard the Wall is seen as vital to the survival of the Seven Kingdoms (Which it really is, by the way).

    Yes, they lead a life of abstinence and solitude, but Men of the Night Watch, even though they were rapists, murderers, thieves,... in a previous life are in general treated with respect by those they guard.


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