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Porn, Strip Clubs, etc. How do you feel about them?

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  • #52
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    PM sent ;)


  • #53
    kiffer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    ... I don't like them... I've only been once, as part of a work Christmas do many years ago. I found it very dull, somewhat bleak and depressing... but I paid for a full on nekid lap dance just for the heck of it, and just so that I could say I'd done it (and to get my score another point lower on the old Purity Test).
    And I must say... it was bloody great. sure you can't touch... sure it's not going anywhere and you leave titillated and nothing comes of it... but before going in I was feeling really down and had pretty much lost interest in sex, my drive had bottomed out totally. It really picked me up and got me going again... sure it leaves you a little frustrated but vitalised! and that's better that then numb.

    That said now that I've done it once I don't think I'd do it again, the rest of the place itself was somewhat depressing or maybe just boring... which was what made it depressing. I don't know... I think given the choice I'd rather watch the young wans having fun dancing in a regular night club, with all their clothes on (even though they would probably ignore any sort of advance that I might make), rather than bored looking topless women grinding against a poll watching me, with bored dead eyes, like a hawk to see if I'd pay them more for a private dance.
    Hey maybe some strip clubs are more fun than that... *shrug*


  • #54
    Red Sleeping Beauty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Mystik Monkey wrote: »


    The darker side of the (sex) industries is when you hear about girls getting roped into things, trafficking of girls is still out there, even with the EU etc clamping down. Stories of passports and ID being taken from girls to prevent them leaving are also around, though less common than before. Porn can also lead to this kind of thing, within that industry, huge strides have been made to cut this sort of thing out but it appears there is a still a ways to go. Again, I don't think you could say that all porn actors are being exploited, some genuinely enjoy/like/want to do what they are doing.

    I think the human trafficking thing is blown a bit too out of proportion in all areas of sex workers whether they're stripping, ridin' on camera or ridin in private for money. TV3 had this sleazy "expose" on escorting/prostitution and they featured a well known Irish "Escorting" website and talking about how horrible it is and the exploitation and all this. Well, take a look at the site and the women seem to know exactly what they're doing and there's even a "community" there with coercion being highly frowned upon.

    Also, I think amateur internet porn has changed the landscape as it where. It's no longer Linda Lovelace saying 20years later how she was drugged. There actually seems to be women that like sex in front of a camera.


  • #55
    CDfm
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    That it is more open is a good thing. I know one girl who danced for a while and it was a pure money earning thing. A nice person and I never saw her work.

    Decriminalising lapdancing and the entertainment side has been good especially in Ireland.

    Where you get criminals you will get crime though.


  • #56
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    i tend not to believe anything I see on TV3 as a rule, so I agree there is an element of sensationalism there. That doesn't disguise the fact that it goes on. It's only fairly recently that the darker side of things has been clamped down on properly, especially when it comes to prostitution. Without dragging things OT, there is still a lot fo pimping and bullying going on, unwitting clients are helping to fuel this.

    I think CDfm is right in that where an act is illegal,but still goes on, you'll get a criminal element. These are not nice poeple in general, so think nothing of a quick slap to keep someone down.

    Since lapdance clubs have become more mainstream, that kind of thing is hopefully in the past, but it wasn't that long ago that such places were used as fronts to launder money through etc by criminal elements.


  • #57
    irishbambi
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭irishbambi


    I dont believe women when they say they watch porn, purely cause women arent as visual as men, and it takes alot moe then a crappy porno to do it. women would be moe turned on by a book id say, then watching porn made by men, which treat women like dirt, and focus on the blokes pleasure, not the females. I peronally think grils say it to apear ....i dunno, wild:eek:

    I personally hate porn, to bits. but iv no problem with prostiution. I think porn is a leading root to peadophiles, and rapists. It provides arousal, thats it, not stimulaton, which prostitution does. I think it recks relationships, well if your anything like me. If a bloke is happy in a relationship why feel the need to look other women having sex, or pornograpghic picures?I hate the way in society its so accepted that men watch porn. the fact that there male isint excuse enough. Most infamous serial killers and pyschopaths had extremem amounts of pronos, pictures, amongst other things in their homes when raided, Anyone who tries to deny that porn isint linked to killers and sex abusers is kidding themselves ( thats not t say every bloke who watches porn is a murderer) . I just see how many problems it creates, And wonder why its still around, worse then ever nowadays, solely for the mere purpose of self gratification?


    I see prostitution as women taking advantage of men in the sense that men (not all) are so desprete for sex thatd theyd pay for it. Its the women always portrayed as the bad ones, never the men who use the prostitutes, which baffles me, but at least men get what they want there, and dont go off looking for smeone to act out their fantasies, or scenarioes, which pornos give.


    Porn has just become worse and worse. Went from people having sex in the films, to gang bang films, to bondage films, to child pornograpghy, to rape-then-murder pornos, or snuffs, or fake snuffs. It may have once just been something to provide stimulation but nowadays its progressed to something way worse then what it was.


  • #58
    Otis Driftwood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    irishbambi wrote: »

    I think porn is a leading root to peadophiles, and rapists.

    Most infamous serial killers and pyschopaths had extremem amounts of pronos, pictures, amongst other things in their homes when raided,

    Anyone who tries to deny that porn isint linked to killers and sex abusers is kidding themselves

    Ok,first things first.

    Why do you think that porn is a leading cause of peadophilia and rape?

    Did the priests that committed child sex abuse in the various institutions throughout Ireland have access to vast quantities of porn?

    I hate to break it to you,but rape and child sex abuse has existed as long as people have existed,its as simple as that.

    Could you post some links to these facts that infamous serial killers had large amounts of porn in their homes.There may have been a couple (I challange you to prove this claim) but did Jack the Ripper,Albert Fish,Ed Gein or Peter Suthcliffe have huge porn collections?

    Emmm,no.
    Like rape,pyschopaths and murderers have existed since the dawn of time.
    irishbambi wrote: »


    Porn has just become worse and worse. Went from people having sex in the films, to gang bang films, to bondage films, to child pornograpghy, to rape-then-murder pornos, or snuffs, or fake snuffs. It may have once just been something to provide stimulation but nowadays its progressed to something way worse then what it was.

    I agree there is some horrendous stuff out there if you want to look for it,however the vast majority of porn is harmless sex between consenting adults.Even bondage porn,while definitly not my cup of tea at all,is by and large produced in as safe an environment as is possible for the people involved.

    Im not being flippant here but you obviously know nothing about the porn industry in general except from what you have read in sensationalist rags like the Daily Mail.

    If you hate porn,thats perfectly acceptable,some people do,but to paint people that view porn as some kind of deviants that are one step away from being a murderer or a rapist is the height of naiveity,it really is.

    Good day to you.


  • #59
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I don't know what point you are trying to make irishbambi.

    It doesn't look to me that the porn industry is coercive and the actresses in porn movies especially in the USA seem to be highly organised.

    Ola Ray the romantic interest in Michael Jacksons Thriller Video was a Playboy Centrefold and appeared in a number of mainstream movies.

    Prostitution-I dont know and have no experience of itand no interest in it but the greatest advocates for decriminalising it and legalising it seem to be prostitutes themselves. So why not give them a voice and do what they want ?

    As for snuff movies and bondage etc - I have never seen any and I wonder how much of this stuff is a myth. Who watches this stuff ? With the amount of publicity it gets and investigation the number of prosectutions have been small.


  • #60
    sparkthatbled
    Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭sparkthatbled


    Strip clubs are a funny thing. I've never been to one and I can't say i'm not curious about what they're like but i don't think i'd like to give a minimum of a quarter of my weekly wage to find out. I imagine them to be a pressured atmosphere, as in, i don't imagine you could buy a drink and sit back and relax without dancers, waitresses, whatever, putting pressure on you to spend more money. I think i'd come out of there feeling a bit robbed. Maybe i'm wrong about that. Anyway, i have no need for them.

    Speaking of which, i read a stark warning some time ago that might be of interest. It was about these places in London that are known as Clip-Joints. Mostly they operate in the Soho area and they set themselves up as Strip clubs but there is a catch... They are best described by Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_joints
    The article i read commented that the girls in the Clip joints were very good at judging how much money someone was carrying and usually the visit ends with the furious customer refusing to pay all the hidden (small print, very very small print) charges, when all of a sudden, some very large men appear out of nowhere. The biggest problem is that so many customers are married or involved that they are unwilling to file an official complaint. I also read that a minority of misguided feminists champion these places as "Women getting their own back" which is clearly utter nonsense.


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  • #61
    CDfm
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    Has the clip joint scam ever been used in Ireland- (I assume the prayer group outside Stringfellows were not giving VIP tickets to anywhere)?


  • #62
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,373 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    the clip joint thing has been seriously cracked down on over in London. No where near as common, I think there are only 2 or 3 places left now, and they would be under serious pressure from the authorities. Never heard of it operating over here, there have been a few shady places over the years though.

    Be careful when abroad though. I've a mate who was over in Poland with other friends of his and the scam was attempted on them. The lads basically said to the bouncers "come on then, lets be having ya" kinda thing and it kinda blew over after a bit, the lads were kacking it though, as they might be big blokes but were well oiled and really didn't fancy their chances


  • #63
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I have a friend who got a pasteing in Limassol though. He lives there and should know better.


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