BANGERNOMICS (sub2k) of the week/day

joujoujou · 07-10-2015 2:55pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

Nice strut brace on the red E11, looking for one of those for a while now.

TTE or TRD strut brace - rare as hen's teeth. The other one (on black car) is more common factory G6 brace, nearly the same as the ones used in E9 and E10 GTIs (and they fit E11). Got one myself for 10 pounds off ebay a while ago.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

[...] I have a standard ae111 3 point brace free to a good home if it's any use.

Go for it CJ!

Toyotafanboi · 07-10-2015 3:03pm

joujoujou wrote: »

The other one (on black car) is more common factory G6 brace, nearly the same as the ones used in E9 and E10 GTIs (and they fit E11). Got one myself for 10 pounds off ebay a while ago.

That's the one I have here, nice upgrade for the price :P

CJhaughey · 07-10-2015 3:06pm

PM sent!

Sleepy · 07-10-2015 4:16pm

Kiket2ride wrote: »

Hi guys, I'm new here! Recently moved to Ireland and looking for a bangernomics
I've been reading this thread and I love it! I am a german car enthusiast, so BMW, Mercs and VAGs really are my thing.
Anyways, I was wondering what do you thing about this Merc: cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/automatic-mercedes-1998-beautiful-car-inside-out/10571166
Thanks guys!

Look up a few posts from yours:

Yamanoto wrote:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sal...4496?offset=15

It's a lot of car for the money imo.

Toyotafanboi · 07-10-2015 4:32pm

Sleepy wrote: »

Look up a few posts from yours:

It's a lot of car for the money imo.

I know it's from an era when Mercedes still made good quality products and it has a nice retro look to it now.

I also have a huge amount of respect when I see an older car like that still looking fresh and driven daily, but is it really all that? It looks very basic, hub caps, cloth seats and a dash more spartan that a mk4 golf.

I know it could run until the end of time and maybe it's just my young minded opinion but it's like it totally missed the point of why people buy Mercedes.

Sleepy · 07-10-2015 5:01pm

Very few bangernomics cars are ever going to be "all that" tbh. It looks great and appears to be a mechanically sound, well-maintained example of a very comfortable way to get around.

Were I looking for a German car I'd be inclined to go for something like that with a bit more character than the ubiquitous 10 year old beamers that I wouldn't have as much faith in mechanically and consider as bland as your average modern Korean car (Not a popular opinion on this forum I'm sure but taste is what it is).

JohnBoy26 · 07-10-2015 5:11pm

Sleepy wrote: »

Very few bangernomics cars are ever going to be "all that" tbh. It looks great and appears to be a mechanically sound, well-maintained example of a very comfortable way to get around.

Were I looking for a German car I'd be inclined to go for something like that with a bit more character than the ubiquitous 10 year old beamers that I wouldn't have as much faith in mechanically and consider as bland as your average modern Korean car (Not a popular opinion on this forum I'm sure but taste is what it is).

I like those old mercs because of their quality but tbh they don't really have anymore character than an old beamer. They are arguably a classier car than a beamer of that era however.

Sleepy · 07-10-2015 11:52pm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I like those old mercs because of their quality but tbh they don't really have anymore character than an old beamer. They are arguably a classier car than a beamer of that era however.

A beamer of that era would probably have as much character, most of the ones we see here tend to be from a few years later and less interesting IMO. They're great cars but just so common on our roads, and their design language so "samey" across their range that I can't see them as being any more interesting than a Corolla.

Red Kev · 08-10-2015 10:04am

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I know it's from an era when Mercedes still made good quality products and it has a nice retro look to it now.

I also have a huge amount of respect when I see an older car like that still looking fresh and driven daily, but is it really all that? It looks very basic, hub caps, cloth seats and a dash more spartan that a mk4 golf.

I know it could run until the end of time and maybe it's just my young minded opinion but it's like it totally missed the point of why people buy Mercedes.

It's typical of Mercs from that time, they were usually poorly specced as the cost of extras was ridiculous. Mercs were old school, you didn't buy one for buttons and flashing lights, you got one for its quality. I'd rathehr that than a newer one full of gizmos that are permanently going wrong. Anyway, the less stuff you have, the less stuff that can break.

That Merc is a total bargain, look after it and you can sell it in one, two or three years for the same money, if not more. Parts for them are still very cheap, especially if sourced abroad.

Plus you can put that in any car park and it will stand out way more than a 10 year old A4, 3 series etc.

unkel · 08-10-2015 11:01am

Red Kev wrote: »

Parts for them are still very cheap, especially if sourced abroad.

And all parts are still available brand new from Mercedes-Benz (at reasonable enough prices in general). I don't think any other mass car manufacturer offers this service on 20+ year old cars.

jimgoose · 08-10-2015 11:08am

unkel wrote: »

And all parts are still available brand new from Mercedes-Benz (at reasonable enough prices in general). I don't think any other mass car manufacturer offers this service on 20+ year old cars.

British Parts UK carry most of the old S-Type Jaaag stuff, though admittedly some of their prices bring a tear to the eye. Some Ford/Motorcraft parts-bin stuff is identical as well, so that's not so bad. I got a five-way heater valve via Amazon a couple of years back for €100, as opposed to a shade over €300 from Castle Bromwich. :pac:

But yes, the only other car that would properly interest me these days would be a proper old late '80s/early '90s Mercedes. They deliver the correct brick-shathoose-riding-on-butter driving experience with minimal crap. :cool:

bear1 · 08-10-2015 2:39pm

Ah lads come on let's get the thread back on topic.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-e200-kompressor-nct-2-16/10590996?offset=4

Supercharged and with cow - plus nct until feb 2016

bear1 · 08-10-2015 2:40pm

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-micra/10590949?offset=9

this won't last long, good beginners car with tax and test. Could probably get your money back once you're done with it.

Toyotafanboi · 08-10-2015 3:00pm

I get the impression it was in the middle of a 3 car pile up. That front bumper doesn't belong to it, it's colour co-ordinated on an otherwise un-co-ordinated car. Also that rear bumper and bootlid belong on a 01-02 model (the second facelift of the k11) that car is a first facelift. So it's had the front and rear replaced at some point.

On principle it's a good deal but i'd say that particular car is ropey as ****.

bear1 · 08-10-2015 3:36pm

Could also be as simple as normal "upgrade" to freshen up the looks.

JohnBoy26 · 08-10-2015 3:46pm

bear1 wrote: »

Could also be as simple as normal "upgrade" to freshen up the looks after an accident

Fyp

Toyotafanboi · 08-10-2015 3:50pm

Call me a synic but it screams of a dodgy repair. On the front, even the reg plate holder which should be black is painted. It screams of someone too lazy to mask off. And if they were so looks conscious, why would they beat a spurious blade into the contoured wiper arm on the rear, i'd also question why they didn't use the facelift tail lights if they were swapping parts to freshen the looks up.

It could still be a good little car for pottering around town, don't get me wrong, it could just be a pain in the ass with water leaking into the boot and the smell of that stagnant water etc and these are prone to crossmember corrosion at the best of times, so after a slap i'd be extra cautious. Wouldn't be worth it for the risk imo.

Is there a recent change of ownership on it I wonder?

Toyotafanboi · 08-10-2015 4:01pm

Vehicle Registration Number 00WX5651
Vehicle Details NISSAN / MICRA
Change Of Vehicle Ownership
Transferred to an Individual on : 18/09/2015
Notified on : 21/09/2015

bear1 · 08-10-2015 4:22pm

Still, at least I got the thread back on topic

Yamanoto · 08-10-2015 4:32pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/w124-mercedes-e200-with-long-nct/10574496?offset=15

Merc sold for full asking this afternoon.

Many thanks for all the pointers on pricing folks.

tc20 · 08-10-2015 5:43pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

Merc sold for full asking this afternoon.

Many thanks for all the pointers on pricing folks.

The new owner's got a beauty there, hope its gone to a good home.

Long Time Lurker · 08-10-2015 10:57pm

Motoring doesn't come any cheaper. Extra bonus being you don't get to sit in a Micra or the like for this money.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10594819

JohnBoy26 · 08-10-2015 11:02pm

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Motoring doesn't come any cheaper. Extra bonus being you don't get to sit in a Micra or the like for this money.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10594819

Long Time Lurker · 08-10-2015 11:07pm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Don't get it!!!!

rizzodun · 08-10-2015 11:10pm

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Don't get it!!!!

No phone number on the ad...

JohnBoy26 · 08-10-2015 11:17pm

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Don't get it!!!!

Try and call up the seller about that car and then see if you get it :pac:

teffergie · 09-10-2015 3:13am

acronym Chilli wrote: »

But will you not be able to get insurance from the few insurers who are still giving quotes?

I have a 1992 primera 1.6l my insurance last year went up to €510 ( FBD) I got a quote this year for over €900, they brought it down to €886. I couldn't get insurance off of anybody else. I changed cars & insurance companies this week. I got insured on my new 2004 motor for €400

acronym Chilli · 09-10-2015 9:31am

teffergie wrote: »

I have a 1992 primera 1.6l my insurance last year went up to €510 ( FBD) I got a quote this year for over €900, they brought it down to €886. I couldn't get insurance off of anybody else. I changed cars & insurance companies this week. I got insured on my new 2004 motor for €400

What was your original premium?
In fairness, a lot of premia are going up in last months, and seem to be continuing, e.g.:
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/motor-insurance-premiums-to-rise-by-another-25pc-31530709.html

If you simply couldn't get a quote, however, that's perhaps a new phenomenon.

CheezePleeze · 10-10-2015 9:01am

Honda Accord I Ctdi Leather Seats 2005

No NCT since April 2013, but only e1650...

CheezePleeze · 10-10-2015 9:04am

My Mechanic swears by these Volvo C70s

"Oo, ya, Focking great car, like, you know. I know zis." He's from Lithuania...

CheezePleeze · 10-10-2015 9:07am

[URL="[IMG]https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696[/IMG]"]Are these Vel Satis a hidden gem?[/URL]

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696

jimgoose · 10-10-2015 9:12am

CheezePleeze wrote: »

[URL="[IMG]https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696[/IMG]"]Are these Vel Satis a hidden gem?[/URL]...

Rare and under-rated, IMO. Fine spacious boat, I like the 2l turbo model.

CheezePleeze · 10-10-2015 9:13am

Low Mileage PUG

joujoujou · 10-10-2015 9:15am

CheezePleeze wrote: »

Honda Accord I Ctdi Leather Seats 2005

No NCT since April 2013, but only e1650...

Fixerupper thread --> this way.

:P

Long Time Lurker · 10-10-2015 9:25am

CheezePleeze wrote: »

Low Mileage PUG

Bangernomics by the letter of the law but utter dung. Its not in the rules that it has to be dependable but surely its in the spirit of Bangernomics that we wouldn't suggest cars that breakdown more often than a 55 year old separated woman drinking G&T at the bottom of a stairs in her wealthy divorced friends house party at 4 in the morning.

Ded_Zebra · 10-10-2015 10:16am

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Bangernomics by the letter of the law but utter dung. Its not in the rules that it has to be dependable but surely its in the spirit of Bangernomics that we wouldn't suggest cars that breakdown more often than a 55 year old separated woman drinking G&T at the bottom of a stairs in her wealthy divorced friends house party at 4 in the morning.

It's this attitude that it'll breakdown all the time that makes cars like this so cheap. That's exactly what the average buyer is going to think so they run out and buy a golf the same age for 50% more at least. That Pug is spectacular value for money, lovely spec and personally I love the colour combination.

If you can find a similarly spec car for the same price with as much test and as clean looking I'll be very very impressed!

Ded_Zebra · 10-10-2015 10:19am

CheezePleeze wrote: »

My Mechanic swears by these Volvo C70s

"Oo, ya, Focking great car, like, you know. I know zis." He's from Lithuania...

I think these are really pretty cars:cool: some how remind me of the Maserati 3200GT. Not sure in what way exactly!!! but they do:P

JJJJNR · 10-10-2015 11:22am

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

It's this attitude that it'll breakdown all the time that makes cars like this so cheap. That's exactly what the average buyer is going to think so they run out and buy a golf the same age for 50% more at least. That Pug is spectacular value for money, lovely spec and personally I love the colour combination.

If you can find a similarly spec car for the same price with as much test and as clean looking I'll be very very impressed!

Agreed but it Fails badly in the tax band, think it's over a grand for it, so more luxury barge. Be lucky to get any interest at that rate.

unkel · 10-10-2015 4:00pm

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

It's this attitude that it'll breakdown all the time that makes cars like this so cheap. That's exactly what the average buyer is going to think so they run out and buy a golf the same age for 50% more at least. That Pug is spectacular value for money, lovely spec and personally I love the colour combination.

I couldn't agree more. I tend to go for cars that "the man in the pub" reckons are sh1te. Well the man in the pub doesn't know his arse from his elbow and I'm the one laughing buying great cars for peanuts

Toyotafanboi · 10-10-2015 4:33pm

unkel wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I tend to go for cars that "the man in the pub" reckons are sh1te. Well the man in the pub doesn't know his arse from his elbow and I'm the one laughing buying great cars for peanuts

It's a lot easier to act like that though when you don't strictly "need" the car to be reliable.

I'm sure that 607 could give years of hassle free driving but if I strictly needed a dependable car I reckon i'd be giving it a wide berth.

JohnBoy26 · 10-10-2015 4:51pm

unkel wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I tend to go for cars that "the man in the pub" reckons are sh1te. Well the man in the pub doesn't know his arse from his elbow and I'm the one laughing buying great cars for peanuts

I think "the man down the pub" will have the last laugh in this case tbh. Those yokes are buckets of cr@p and are poorly built. You'd nearly get over the faults though if they were good to drive but they ain't that either tbh.

Long Time Lurker · 10-10-2015 6:13pm

Blaaaaarp

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10598766

colm_mcm · 10-10-2015 6:33pm

Burble burble!

alan partridge aha · 10-10-2015 6:41pm

CheezePleeze wrote: »

[URL="[IMG]https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696[/IMG]"]Are these Vel Satis a hidden gem?[/URL]

https://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-vel-satis/8807696

As awful as they look on the outside, they look worse on the inside.

milltown · 10-10-2015 7:30pm

I like them a lot.
Not sure I'd have the huevos to invest my own money in one though.

unkel · 10-10-2015 7:45pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

It's a lot easier to act like that though when you don't strictly "need" the car to be reliable.

What's that supposed to mean? Everybody needs their car to be reliable, surely?

Thankfully nearly all cars are very reliable these days. They start every morning, they go from A to B without breaking down.

JohnBoy26 · 10-10-2015 7:53pm

unkel wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean? Everybody needs their car to be reliable, surely?

Thankfully nearly all cars are very reliable these days. They start every morning, they go from A to B without breaking down.

What do you base this on? Also that pug isn't from these days

Toyotafanboi · 10-10-2015 8:17pm

unkel wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean? Everybody needs their car to be reliable, surely?

Thankfully nearly all cars are very reliable these days. They start every morning, they go from A to B without breaking down.

It means that if you depend on your car, if you need to know your car will start, say if you work a long way from home or only have one family car etc, you need a car that pretty much promises no drama.

If I was a single, healthy man living less than a 2 or 3 miles from work for example I wouldn't mind driving a risky bangernomics car like the 607, because some cars are ****ter than others and i'd say that car could be a heart breaker, but if I wasn't relying on the car I probably wouldn't mind as much if it threw up the occasional problem in exchange for driving a cheap swanky car. plenty of modern cars are far from consistantly reliable in my experience.

I'm not trying to draw a direct comparison to the 607, but my neighbour has a 307 1.6hdi the last 5 years or more for example, and they take reasonable care of it. I'm actually sick of the amount of times they call in looking for a jump or a push start and it's definitely had at least one new battery in that timeframe, it's definitely been recovered via tow truck from outside their house no less than 3 times that i've seen. It's an unreliable piece of junk.

robertpatterson · 10-10-2015 9:06pm

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Blaaaaarp

http://cars.donedeal.ie/view/10598766

Love the look of those foresters
Are there any known issues with them

cadaliac · 10-10-2015 10:56pm

robertpatterson wrote: »

Love the look of those foresters
Are there any known issues with them

That looks like a great example to be fair. Bargin to boot (no pun intended).
Supposed to be very reliable but thirsty.
A good test drive should see if there are any suspension issues. Make sure it turns well (lock to lock) the drive shafts could be worn out, after all there is 150k miles on it.
Anyway - more here;
http://www.cnet.com/news/not-every-subaru-all-wheel-drive-system-is-created-equal/

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