Speeding

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:03pm #1

Last night I drove passed a garda traffic Corp van that was parked on the side of a road in park West. I was doing 130 kph or so, I think the speed limit was 50/6kph any ideas what they will do about it? Bought the car the day b4 so it's in the previous owners name atm I assume.

Thanks

hidinginthebush · 17-11-2013 5:06pm

Did the van flash at you? The previous owner will no doubt pass any points or fines onto you, deservedly so, that's mental speed to be doing in that zone.

Days 298 · 17-11-2013 5:08pm

Probably 2 points and a fine. Could have got lucky and they were checking speed at the time you passed.

Live and learn. Don't speed on that strip of road again :pac

Edit:Prepare to be verbally assaulted OP!!!

SeaDaily · 17-11-2013 5:09pm

willyob wrote: »

Last night I drove passed a garda traffic Corp van that was parked on the side of a road in park West. I was doing 130 kph or so, I think the speed limit was 50/6kph any ideas what they will do about it? Bought the car the day b4 so it's in the previous owners name atm I assume.

Thanks

You deserve to be put off the road for doing that speed.

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:12pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Did the van flash at you? The previous owner will no doubt pass any points or fines onto you, deservedly so, that's mental speed to be doing in that zone.

Don't think it flashed me. I expect him to. It was a straight empty road. Not going thru a town

corktina · 17-11-2013 5:13pm

wind up i'd say

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:14pm

Days 298 wrote: »

Probably 2 points and a fine. Could have got lucky and they were checking speed at the time you passed.

Live and learn. Don't speed on that strip of road again :pac

Edit:Prepare to be verbally assaulted OP!!!

The standard is 2 points and 80e fine but thinking more because of the speed? Op?

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:15pm

corktina wrote: »

wind up i'd say

That came into my mind but I doubt it "/

Kensington · 17-11-2013 5:16pm

If they caught you, then most likely mandatory court appearance for careless driving I would imagine. Over double the speed limit isn't a simple speeding fine.

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:21pm

Kensington wrote: »

If they caught you, then most likely mandatory court appearance for careless driving I would imagine. Over double the speed limit isn't a simple speeding fine.

What would they charge me

Losty Dublin · 17-11-2013 5:27pm

willyob wrote: »

What would they charge me

About 2,400 volts DC if possible

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:35pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

About 2,400 volts DC if possible

Seems fair ha

coylemj · 17-11-2013 5:44pm

Kensington wrote: »

If they caught you, then most likely mandatory court appearance for careless driving I would imagine. Over double the speed limit isn't a simple speeding fine.

Where does it say that driving over the speed limit implies driving 'without due care and attention' which is the legal definition of careless driving (S.52)? Most people driving at speed are paying way more attention to their driving than people driving on autopilot at 30-50 kph.

It might be even difficult to make a charge of dangerous driving stick given that we're talking about an industrial estate on a Saturday night. The cops charged a guy down the country a couple of years ago with dangerous driving when they caught him driving way over the limit I think on a stretch of the M4 near Mullingar. The judge said that there was no evidence that anyone was in danger (the road was empty at the time) and no evidence that the driver wasn't exercising proper control of the vehicle so the dangerous driving charge was dismissed. Naturally he got hammered on exceeding the speed limit but that was it.

willyob · 17-11-2013 5:52pm

coylemj wrote: »

Where does it say that driving over the speed limit implies driving 'without due care and attention' which is the legal definition of careless driving (S.52)? Most people driving at speed are paying way more attention to their driving than people driving on autopilot at 30-50 kph.

It might be even difficult to make a charge of dangerous driving stick given that we're talking about an industrial estate on a Saturday night. The cops charged a guy down the country a couple of years ago with dangerous driving when they caught him driving way over the limit I think on a stretch of the M4 near Mullingar. The judge said that there was no evidence that anyone was in danger (the road was empty at the time) and no evidence that the driver wasn't exercising proper control of the vehicle so the dangerous driving charge was dismissed. Naturally he got hammered on exceeding the speed limit but that was it.

It was half 12 at night

nobody around except garda van ha. So basically I just have to wait and see what happens? Could I use excuse like I needed toilet or something haha

Victor · 17-11-2013 6:07pm

willyob wrote: »

Last night I drove passed a garda traffic Corp van that was parked on the side of a road in park West. I was doing 130 kph or so, I think the speed limit was 50/6kph any ideas what they will do about it? Bought the car the day b4 so it's in the previous owners name atm I assume.

Thanks

If you want to do that speed, find a more appropriate road.

If you want to troll, don't.

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corktina · 17-11-2013 6:16pm

willyob wrote: »

It was half 12 at night nobody around except garda van ha. So basically I just have to wait and see what happens? Could I use excuse like I needed toilet or something haha

yes I expect so, tell the Gard you are full of ...oh. I'm not allowed say that

SeanW · 17-11-2013 11:33pm

SeaDaily wrote: »

You deserve to be put off the road for doing that speed.

Aye - I'm no angel regards speed nor do I advocate anyone else be either, but 80MPH in an industrial estate is taking the piss.

Can give us a Google Map view of the road in question?

Kensington · 17-11-2013 11:42pm

coylemj wrote: »

Where does it say that driving over the speed limit implies driving 'without due care and attention' which is the legal definition of careless driving (S.52)? Most people driving at speed are paying way more attention to their driving than people driving on autopilot at 30-50 kph.

It might be even difficult to make a charge of dangerous driving stick given that we're talking about an industrial estate on a Saturday night. The cops charged a guy down the country a couple of years ago with dangerous driving when they caught him driving way over the limit I think on a stretch of the M4 near Mullingar. The judge said that there was no evidence that anyone was in danger (the road was empty at the time) and no evidence that the driver wasn't exercising proper control of the vehicle so the dangerous driving charge was dismissed. Naturally he got hammered on exceeding the speed limit but that was it.

I never said the OP hard and fast definitely would - hence the "I imagine" bit of my post.
From the OP's post they may not have even been caught and may well get away with nothing.

I'm not going to argue with you the validity of whether doing over double the speed limit constitutes driving without due care and attention, careless or dangerous driving, or that somehow the faster you go the safer you are. That is for the Gardai and, if necessary, the courts to decide upon.

(Conversely, to your example, a pretty well known musician got done for careless driving last year for driving at 170Km/h on the M1, a 120Km/hzone - not even over half the speed limit, never mind double).

willyob · 17-11-2013 11:59pm

whats op?? there is a difference in doubling the speed limit if its 120kph then there is at 50kph. 100 kph is not that fast but 240 kph is. im not trying to say its right to do im just pointing out the difference

SeanW · 18-11-2013 12:06am

OP = Original Poster.

willyob · 18-11-2013 12:17am

cant get a pic of the road if u search on google maps park west ind park, the red arrow thing is on that exact road its called the park west road. its about half mile long nice and wide good road. I like driving fast but I don't do it stupidly. yes it does make sense.

coylemj · 18-11-2013 12:41am

Kensington wrote: »

I'm not going to argue with you the validity of whether doing over double the speed limit constitutes driving without due care and attention, careless or dangerous driving, or that somehow the faster you go the safer you are. That is for the Gardai and, if necessary, the courts to decide upon.

That's a pretty two-faced response - you're not going to argue with me blah blah blah and then you impute to me an opinion I never expressed viz. the faster you drive, the safer you are.

I'll repeat it and please try to read this slowly and carefully ...... exceeding the speed limit does not in and of itself imply that you are driving 'without due care and attention'.

You can drive without paying proper attention at any speed - under or over the limit.

L1011 · 18-11-2013 12:57am

I have never heard of anything further than a simple speeding FPN coming from a camera van. People done for careless/inconsiderate driving while speeding that I'm aware of have all been caught by hand.

Kensington · 18-11-2013 1:06am

coylemj wrote: »

That's a pretty two-faced response - you're not going to argue with me blah blah blah and then you impute to me an opinion I never expressed viz. the faster you drive, the safer you are.

I'll repeat it and please try to read this slowly and carefully ...... exceeding the speed limit does not in and of itself imply that you are driving 'without due care and attention'.

You can drive without paying proper attention at any speed - under or over the limit.

Duly noted, thanks.

willyob · 18-11-2013 1:12am

nobody there to catch me by hand.. so I might get a summons sent by post no?

StreetLight · 18-11-2013 10:03am

I have a feeling that Parkwest Road may actually be a private road with public access, similar to certain roads in CityWest. If so, a Garda speed detector may have no legal basis to be there.

SteM · 18-11-2013 2:22pm

willyob wrote: »

whats op?? there is a difference in doubling the speed limit if its 120kph then there is at 50kph. 100 kph is not that fast but 240 kph is. im not trying to say its right to do im just pointing out the difference

SeanW wrote: »

OP = Original Poster.

Although in this case it should be dOPe imo.

Muahahaha · 18-11-2013 2:31pm

Victor wrote: »

If you want to do that speed, find a more appropriate road.

In Germany preferably.

Muahahaha · 18-11-2013 2:42pm

willyob wrote: »

cant get a pic of the road if u search on google maps park west ind park, the red arrow thing is on that exact road its called the park west road. its about half mile long nice and wide good road. I like driving fast but I don't do it stupidly. yes it does make sense.

It seems like you have learned no lessons from this. If you're doing 80mph and someone drunk steps out in front of you then you won't have the time to brake and you're going to run them over.

Will it take you murdering an innocent person before you cop yourself on ? Do you want that on your consciousness for the rest of your life ?

If you want to drive fast then go to a track day in Mondello and stop being so selfish as to put other peoples lives at risk just so you can get your kicks.

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