Spreading lime on land

rangler1 wrote: »

It's probably the combination that works. mix the slurry with the straw and turn it a few times.....must say the dung outa the sheep shed is rocket fuel when it's turned a few times and there wouldn't be a lot of sheep dung in it

Dawggone wrote: »

There's a guy that comes in here to 'turn' fym to accelerate decomposition. €100/hr for the service. Money well spent.

Its accelerating the breakdown of carbon in the straw. "strawy" dung has a high C:N ratio requiring more n and time to break it down turning it allows microbes to work faster. After a week or so after turning thats why it get f**king hot in the heap.

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Where do ye guys stand on the value of FYM?
Love the stuff here, wouldn't be mad about the spreading under the cattle but love spreading the end result on ground.

Converted a tillage farm to grass in 05 and it took 5 yrs to get up to the poorest performing paddocks on home block. Spread all our FYM on it for the 5 yrs, turned it inside out. One particular paddock was growing 8 tonne for 2 yrs after grassing has grown 18 as last Sunday. It's probably on target for >20 tonne this year.

We now concentrate FYM on the bottom performing 25% each October. A figure I've somewhere in my head is that each 4*4 bale of barley straw imported has €5-6 of P value. Am I off my rocker?

About £14/ton we worked it out a few years ago in one of the fertiliser spikes from a few samples taken to convince big boss we would win out in a straw for muck deal. Its not the npk even its the soil health and aiding to head off any temporary defficiencies in crops at the start. Looked at it here, but some farms have crazy regiemes of using various metal mineral seed dressing and folliar feed as standard practice rather than as needed.
I do remember reading something about these metals making an environment more suitable to the spread of genetic data amoung diseases in cereal crops. Something to do with more carrier pieces of dna being created or summat for some clever person to worry about.

In the real world, would be a little warry of longterm effects of such high levels all fertiliser use on land. ///////what ye have been upto for the last 30/40 years getting more precise with technology in later years has never been done in history on the dairy side of grass growing maxxing out input quotas or nearly so.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

To add another dimension to all this, trees are a huge contributor to soil health too. Leaves decompose and add valuable minerals to the top of the soil. Grazing animals eat the grass in near the trees and deposit the minerals as dung further out in the field.
I kid you not!

Evergreens/firs do the opposite, acidic nature of their needles destroy soil!

Did you ever hear if this mob dawg?

http://www.howtogarden.ie/soil-renew-soil-health/

He told me it was big in France, it's a concentrated om pellet as far as I can see.

He sells it in one tonne bags that do 15ac a year and says it will drive grass roots deep into the ground and eliminating the need to spread P&K.

I think it worked out at €100 AC sounds a bit too good to be true to me.

Waffletraktor wrote: »

In the real world, would be a little warry of longterm effects of such high levels all fertiliser use on land. ///////what ye have been upto for the last 30/40 years getting more precise with technology in later years has never been done in history on the dairy side of grass growing maxxing out input quotas or nearly so.

I think a lot of our 'sustainable grass based production' is based on a lot of unsustainables, will be a case of whether changes are forced by eu, soil, disease, economics or a combination