Should John Terry be England Capt again?

Sgt Pepper 64 · 12-03-2011 1:15am #1

The Daily Mail is carrying a story that Capello wants JT back as England Capt, saying he's done his time, conducted himself well and frankly, he needs him with a cruical games coming up.
Of course, it doesnt help that he has lost Ferdinand and now Gerrard to injury.
Personally I think its a great idea

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1365450/John-Terry-wanted-England-captain-Fabio-Capello.html

Panthro · 12-03-2011 1:22am

Tough one to call. I think Lampard provided he was fully fit should be given it.
give it to Downing or Baines if they are playing.

massdebater · 12-03-2011 1:26am

as long as that runt Rooney doesn't get it

superfrank · 12-03-2011 1:27am

I think he should be..In fairness he's served his punishment.

Whatever about his actions off the field, he is a leader on the pitch. Even the players have come out numerous times and said this.

He has took his punishment but I have to agree with what he said after the Egypt match.

I felt, "OK, I've been stripped of the captaincy, but don't take the p*** out of me",' said Terry. 'I think they would have given it to one of the stewards ahead of me.

Then again I'm biased........

Paully D · 12-03-2011 1:27am

To be honest, he's the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but surely the job of captain goes much deeper than just being a leader on the field?

If this happens though it's another blot on Capello's ever worsening England copybook, as IIRC he said as long as he was in charge that Terry wouldn't captain England again. Then again, he hasn't kept his word on anything he's said as England manager thus far so I wouldn't be surprised.

I'd have to say no to this if it was up to me, based on the fact that the job of captain goes much deeper than just being a leader on the pitch.

Lukker- · 12-03-2011 2:16am

Doesn't really matter, being captain doesn't change much, the leaders will stay the same on the pitch and in the dressing room, it's just another thing the English media tend to make far too big a deal about.

nullzero · 12-03-2011 2:22am

I don't think England are crying out for him to be honest.
They have a huge pool of players to choose from and he's not exceptionally better than a lot of centre halves available to England nor is he more charismatic than a lot of their first team players either.

Blatter · 12-03-2011 2:28am

Daily Fail

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If Terry was to displace Ferdinand permanently as captain, what sort of message would that send out to the team? It would be treating the captaincy as a joke IMO.

If he wants to make him captain for a couple of games while Ferdinand/Gerrard are injured, it would cause more trouble than it's worth.

Hannibal · 12-03-2011 2:30am

Terry is past it, Gerrard and Ferdinand injured. Looking at their squad it leaves Lampard, Cole, Rooney, Barry and Johnson as their most experienced players by far. My money would be on Lampard.. Terry, Cole and Rooney have too much controversy surrounding them to warrant a captaincy

Lukker- · 12-03-2011 2:35am

Dotsey wrote: »

Terry is past it, Gerrard and Ferdinand injured. Looking at their squad it leaves Lampard, Cole, Rooney, Barry and Johnson as their most experienced players by far. My money would be on Lampard.. Terry, Cole and Rooney have too much controversy surrounding them to warrant a captaincy

Chelsea have the best defence in the PL this season, I don't see you can make that assumption, he was the only player putting in solid performances when the rest of the team around him fell to pieces. For me England only have one CB who comes close to him, Ferdinand who has only played something like 4 of the last 15 games and probably won't be around the England scene after the Euro's, Terry will be 33 at the 2014 WC which could still be considered the tail end of a CB's prime.

Soby · 12-03-2011 3:27am

Wouldnt personally give it to Lamps or Terry tbh.As a Chelsea fan.Although thats just based on their National games.Dunno what wrong with that lot.Strange ole game international football

Mr. Guappa · 12-03-2011 3:38am

It's a poisoned chalice anyway.. unless you deliver a World Cup or European Championship then the whole English media has you in their crosshairs.

It's like in The Sopranos when Tony "allows" Uncle Junior take control, he acts as a lightning rod for all the attention directed towards them. Terry is better off being free of that burden tbh

Predator_ · 12-03-2011 9:05am

Im sorry, but who gives a flying ****

ilovelamp2000 · 12-03-2011 9:24am

Terry shouldn't even be playing, never mind captain.

Dr.Winston O'Boogie · 12-03-2011 11:22am

OptaJoe on Twitter says that England lost just 4 games out of 28 that Terry captained, so statistics are in his favor.

But then again who cares about statistics, the bloke is a grade A muppet who needs to learn he can't get away with everything.

Bodhisopha · 12-03-2011 11:53am

Yes.

DOC09UNAM · 12-03-2011 9:28pm

Lukker- wrote: »

Chelsea have the best defence in the PL this season, I don't see you can make that assumption, he was the only player putting in solid performances when the rest of the team around him fell to pieces. For me England only have one CB who comes close to him, Ferdinand who has only played something like 4 of the last 15 games and probably won't be around the England scene after the Euro's, Terry will be 33 at the 2014 WC which could still be considered the tail end of a CB's prime.

No they don't.

Panthro · 12-03-2011 9:51pm

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

No they don't.

Have another look at the goals conceded section.
Here, I made it easier for you.

Goals conceded:

1 Blackpool-58
2 WBA-54
3 Aston Villa-50
4 Wigan Athletic-50
5 Blackburn-49
6 West Ham Utd-49
7 Wolves-49
8 Newcastle-41
9 Bolton-40
10 Birmingham-39
11 Everton-38
12 Stoke City-38
13 Liverpoo-36
14 Sunderland-35
15 Tottenham-34
16 Fulham-31
17 Man Utd-30
18 Arsenal-27
19 Man City-25
20 Chelsea-24

DOC09UNAM · 12-03-2011 10:09pm

Yeah, that proves it alright, well done :rolleyes:

monkey9 · 12-03-2011 10:11pm

Of course he shouldn't be captain. He's meant to be the one bringing the squad together, to be the voice for them if things need to be said to the manager etc.

To sleep with a teammate's bird isn't exactly gonna bring a squad together in unison. If i was part of that squad, i wouldn't give a f*ck what Terry had to say.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 12-03-2011 10:12pm

Why is this worthy of a thread????

Panthro · 12-03-2011 10:14pm

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Yeah, that proves it alright, well done :rolleyes:

Am...I'm intrigued. is there a better way to determine one of the best defences over the course of the season? I'm sure teams such as Blackpool are dying to hear such reasoning, care to venture?

DOC09UNAM · 12-03-2011 10:19pm

papagormo wrote: »

Am...I'm intrigued. is there a better way to determine one of the best defences over the course of the season? I'm sure teams such as Blackpool are dying to hear such reasoning, care to venture?

Not really, but those statistics don't prove the best back four, due to injuries and suspensions, not every team on that list has had there full back four playing all season.

You could also add in other factors which I couldn't be bothered to Too, but that list doesn't prove who has the best back four.

Panthro · 12-03-2011 10:30pm

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Not really, but those statistics don't prove the best back four, due to injuries and suspensions, not every team on that list has had there full back four playing all season.

You could also add in other factors which I couldn't be bothered to Too, but that list doesn't prove who has the best back four.

Chelsea haven't been immune to injuries or suspensions any less than any other team in the league.
Alex is long term injured
and until recently Bosingwa was out of action.

Two pretty big players for our defence normally. So we have had to made the best of the sitauation as much as any other team in the league. We have gone through the "big blip" period aswell bear in mind, and yet we are still sitting 24 goals conceded, the least amount of goals conceded by any team so far this season.
And that represents the best defence in the league whichever way you look at it.

DH2K9 · 13-03-2011 9:25am

Never believe anything the Daily Mail tell you.

Leiva · 13-03-2011 12:01pm

How has this even made it to 2 pages ?

Sgt Pepper 64 · 13-03-2011 12:35pm

mixednuts wrote: »

How has this even made it to 2 pages ?

Priceless!

blinding · 13-03-2011 12:38pm

Terry is the male equivalent of a slag. Would you make the slag the captain of the womens football team !

Essien · 13-03-2011 1:35pm

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Not really, but those statistics don't prove the best back four.

It doesn't prove who has the best back 4 on paper but it does prove who has "the best defence in the PL this season" which is exactly the point he made.

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

due to injuries and suspensions, not every team on that list has had there full back four playing all season.

I know, Alex is still out for us, Terry was out earlier in the season as was Bosingwa and yet we've still conceded the least, isn't that mad?

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You could also add in other factors which I couldn't be bothered to Too, but that list doesn't prove who has the best back four.

In fairness, at this stage you're probably aware you're wrong.

Essien · 13-03-2011 1:36pm

mixednuts wrote: »

How has this even made it to 2 pages ?

It hasn't

40pppftw

_blank_ · 13-03-2011 1:49pm

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Not really, but those statistics don't prove the best back four, due to injuries and suspensions, not every team on that list has had there full back four playing all season.

No-one said best back 4. It's best defence, and Chelsea do have the best defence on that evidence. With injuries and suspensions factored in, they still come out on top, or are you under the impression that Chelsea have had their first choice back 4 available all season long

Should John Terry be England Capt again?

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