Eng-er-land Euro2012 squad

CantGetNoSleep · 07-05-2012 7:50pm #1

Who do you guys think will be competing for the right to get knocked out on penalties in the quarter final?

For me it is:

GK: J Hart, S Carson, D Stockdale

Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, P Jones

Mid: T Walcott, A Young, S Downing, J Milner, G Barry, F Lampard, S Parker, S Gerrard

Fwd: W Rooney, D Welbeck, A Carroll, J Defoe

Others close to the squad are surely C Smalling, J Lescott, K Walker, the Oxe, A Johnson, D Bent (if not injured?)

Revolution9 · 07-05-2012 7:52pm

Crouch should feel aggrieved if Andy Carroll gets the nod ahead of him.

mike65 · 07-05-2012 7:52pm

Downing? :eek:

Kyle Walker surely?

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 7:54pm

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Who do you guys think will be competing for the right to get knocked out on penalties in the quarter final?

For me it is:

GK: J Hart, S Carson, D Stockdale

Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, P Jones

Mid: T Walcott, A Young, S Downing, J Milner, G Barry, F Lampard, S Parker, S Gerrard

Fwd: W Rooney, D Welbeck, A Carroll, J Defoe

Others close to the squad are surely C Smalling, J Lescott, K Walker, the Oxe, A Johnson, D Bent (if not injured?)

Rob Green for Stockdale. I'd be surprised if Lescott didn't make it tbh. Is Bent available? If so he's a better option than Defoe. Would have Adam Johnson ahead of Downing and Smalling ahead of Jones too. That plus yours would be my pick

Lescott for Johnson that is.

bookie basher · 07-05-2012 7:54pm

defoe & downing wont get in the squad, lescott should be ahead of phil jones, and with the fulham connection i wouldnt be suprised if zamora got in, roy loves his target men so crouch is in the mix as well

MickySticks · 07-05-2012 7:55pm

Possibly 4 Liverpool players could be chosen.

Says it all about Englands chances really.

Mr.Crinklewood · 07-05-2012 7:56pm

Grant Holt in with a shout.

CantGetNoSleep · 07-05-2012 7:56pm

MickySticks wrote: »

Possibly 4 Liverpool players could be chosen.

Says it all about Englands chances really.

Liverpool fans probably want to include next Messi Raheem Sterling

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 7:56pm

MickySticks wrote: »

Possibly 4 Liverpool players could be chosen.

Says it all about Englands chances really.

Gerrard may well be the only one. Carroll has an outside chance. Can't see anyone else near it tbh

Morzadec · 07-05-2012 7:57pm

Looking at that midfield and also the attack (bearing in mind Rooney will miss a couple of games) and you have to say that that England team haven't got much of a chance and may even go out in the group stages.

The only thing maybe going for them is that the pressure might be less than the last few years when the 'Golden Generation' were expected to bring home the trophy.

Still, they will be expected to get out of their group at the very least and I'm not at all sure they will.

MickySticks · 07-05-2012 7:58pm

cgpg5 wrote: »

Gerrard may well be the only one. Carroll has an outside chance. Can't see anyone else near it tbh

Johnson will surely go

Morzadec · 07-05-2012 7:58pm

cgpg5 wrote: »

Gerrard may well be the only one. Carroll has an outside chance. Can't see anyone else near it tbh

Johnson is pretty much nailed on. Downing has a decent chance

Paully D · 07-05-2012 7:58pm

Holt should be in instead of Carroll if you want a big man IMO.

Team will follow the usual **** team selections by Capello with those deserving of spots that play for unfashionable teams overlooked once again.

Hope I'm wrong though.

klose · 07-05-2012 7:59pm

Whatever happened with paul robinson between the sticks? Form just dropped or something? God be wih the days of david james:cool:

Ah yes liverpool bashing already, good stuff! what thread is complete without it these days:rolleyes:

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 8:00pm

MickySticks wrote: »

Johnson will surely go

Morzadec wrote: »

Johnson is pretty much nailed on. Downing has a decent chance

Walker and Richards will both go no doubt in my mind. Don't agree with the former but they will. Smalling will provide cover then if needs be. Put it this way I'd be very shocked if Johnson made it

Mikeyt086 · 07-05-2012 8:00pm

I think Ben Foster might make himself available, what with Woy being his club manager and all. Based on that I think it should be:

Joe Hart
Ben Foster
David Stockdale

Ashley Cole
Leighton Baines
Micah Richards
Chris Smalling (cover RB and CB)
John Terry
Rio Ferdinand
Gary Cahill
Kyle Walker

Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
James Milner
Theo Walcott
Scott Parker
Gareth Barry
Ashley Young
Aaron Lennon

Wayne Rooney
Danny Welbeck
Andy Carroll (Mr.Plan

Jermaine Defoe

I would be going for something like this:

Hart
Richards-Terry-Rio-Cole

Parker

Gerrard-Lampard
Walcott

Young

Welbeck (Rooney when available)

Knowing England at major competitions however it will probably be 4-4-1-1 with Gerrard behind Welbeck or Rooney.

Bobeagleburger · 07-05-2012 8:02pm

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Liverpool fans probably want to include next Messi Raheem Sterling

No, I'd rather there were no Liverpool players going at all tbh.

Morzadec · 07-05-2012 8:03pm

whippedcream wrote: »

Whatever happened with paul robinson between the sticks? Form just dropped or something? God be wih the days of david james:cool:

Ah yes liverpool bashing already, good stuff! what thread is complete without it these days:rolleyes:

Paul Robinson is an awful keeper imo.

Saying that the 2nd and 3rd choice are not much to shout about (don't know much about Stockdale, but he's out on loan in the Championship so wouldn't hold high hopes), same goes for Foster of he goes.

If Hart gets injured it'd be a massive blow for them

monkey9 · 07-05-2012 8:03pm

Opens thread. Sees another Liverpool debate form. Swiftly leaves!!!

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 8:03pm

Morzadec wrote: »

Paul Robinson is an awful keeper imo.

Saying that the 2nd and 3rd choice are not much to shout about (don't know much about Stockdale, but he's out on loan in the Championship so wouldn't hold high hopes), same goes for Foster of he goes.

If Hart gets injured it'd be a massive blow for them

Rob Green will probably be second choice

Morzadec · 07-05-2012 8:11pm

cgpg5 wrote: »

Walker and Richards will both go no doubt in my mind. Don't agree with the former but they will. Smalling will provide cover then if needs be. Put it this way I'd be very shocked if Johnson made it

Is that because of Johnson's poor form under Hodgson?

Johnson is the most experienced of the 3, I'd imagine he would go ahead of Walker. It's true though that Johnson played poorly under Hodgson, largely (imo) because he is not at all suited to his system so that could be in Hodgson's thinking I suppose.

Perhaps Richards is the best to start though playing in a Hodgson team as he is the best defensively.

Masked Man · 07-05-2012 8:12pm

Danny Sturridge should be in with a shout, but the last while has probably ****ed that up on him.

Guy:Incognito · 07-05-2012 8:12pm

Paul Konchesky surely?

Jesus Wept · 07-05-2012 8:15pm

Revolution9 wrote: »

Crouch should feel aggrieved if Andy Carroll gets the nod ahead of him.

How do I dislike a post?

Bobeagleburger · 07-05-2012 8:15pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Paul Konchesky surely?

He's assistant manager afaik.

G.K. · 07-05-2012 8:16pm

As an Englishman (Partly anyway), this is the squad I want to see:

GK: Hart, Stockdale, Ruddy
DEF: Richards, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Cole Baines, Smalling
MID: Parker, Jones, Britton, Howson, Gerrard, Chamberlain, Young, Johnson, Milner
FOR: Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Holt

Bobeagleburger · 07-05-2012 8:20pm

G.K. wrote: »

As an Englishman (Partly anyway), this is the squad I want to see:

GK: Hart, Stockdale, Ruddy
DEF: Richards, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Cole Baines, Smalling
MID: Parker, Jones, Britton, Howson, Gerrard, Chamberlain, Young, Johnson, Milner
FOR: Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Holt

That'll do nicely

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 8:20pm

Morzadec wrote: »

Is that because of Johnson's poor form under Hodgson?

Johnson is the most experienced of the 3, I'd imagine he would go ahead of Walker. It's true though that Johnson played poorly under Hodgson, largely (imo) because he is not at all suited to his system so that could be in Hodgson's thinking I suppose.

Perhaps Richards is the best to start though playing in a Hodgson team as he is the best defensively.

It's because Walker seems to be hyped up as the next big thing in the English media. don't rate him at all but he'll make it. Johnson would be a better RM imo, can't defend for love nor money but great going forward and crossing.

If I was in charge I'd go with:
Hart; Richards, JT, Lescott, A.Cole; Parker, Barry; Walcott, Gerrard, A. Johnson/Young; Welbeck

Vokes · 07-05-2012 8:28pm

Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hodgson bring Zamora in as his no.9, who played very well for him in his time at Fulham. Reckon he'd pair him with one of Defoe or Wellbeck in a front 2.

Morzadec · 07-05-2012 8:29pm

cgpg5 wrote: »

It's because Walker seems to be hyped up as the next big thing in the English media. don't rate him at all but he'll make it. Johnson would be a better RM imo, can't defend for love nor money but great going forward and crossing.

If I was in charge I'd go with:
Hart; Richards, JT, Lescott, A.Cole; Parker, Barry; Walcott, Gerrard, A. Johnson/Young; Welbeck

Johnson isn't as bad at defending as many would like to believe.

Also Johnson is not a right-mid, and you can't just teach a right-back to play right-mid, it's a whole different ball game imo. Usually when the ball arrives to you at right-mid you have less space and time, and are unable to carry the ball forward the same way. They are 2 very different positions and it would take a while playing there before you could just throw him into that position.

Johnson is a wing-back, or if you want to put it differently, a modern fullback. He plays his best football in a 4-2-3-1 where he has a competent DM to cover him and has licence to go forward.

Johnson had a terrible few months under Hodgson where he was played as an old school, deep-lying fullback, where values such as strength, positioning and aerial ability are more important than pace, passing, crossing dribbling etc... Danny Alves would have looked muck in that Hodgson team playing at right-full.

He's actually had a very good and consistent season, and has been one of the few positives this year for Liverpool.

However, if Hodgson is going to go 4-4-2, and long ball, Johnson may not be the best choice, I agree

kitakyushu · 07-05-2012 8:37pm

Vokes wrote: »

Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hodgson bring Zamora in as his no.9, who played very well for him in his time at Fulham. Reckon he'd pair him with one of Defoe or Wellbeck in a front 2.

Hodgson could quickly be the next Graham Taylor if he starts picking players based on the fact that he worked with them rather than because they are any good.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 07-05-2012 8:39pm

Why are people leaving out Lennon? Would think he's a cert, he's been outstanding for Spurs for 2 seasons now. Kyle Walker is also a cert. My team;

GK: J Hart, R Green S Carson,

Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, K Walker

Mid: T Walcott, A Young, A Lennon, J Milner, G Barry, F Lampard, S Parker, S Gerrard

Fwd: W Rooney, D Welbeck, A Carroll, J Defoe

Smalling, Sturridge and Crouch would be unlucky to miss out, can't see either of them going though, unless Johnson or Richards (who isn't playing much these days) is dropped. As for Paul Robinson he's retired from international duty.

If Scott Parker starts England will be in trouble, he's been quite poor recently, that said I can see him being captain and playing every minute.

My team;

Hart
Walker - Terry - Rio - Cole
----Parker ---- Barry

Lampard
Lennon

Young

Welbeck

I'd like to Baines at LB but Cole has been doing well recently so probably has LB nailed down. Lennon is better than Walcott, end of. Whoever starts RB in the first game could be unlucky because I fancy Ribery against any of them, which could prompt that person to lose their place.

It'll be interesting to watch England this summer, I reckon Woy might actually make a decent go of it. If they get to the semi's, quarters if they finish second, they'll be shown up big time. Spain will tear them apart, the Barca and Real contingent will be very fired up after their poor showing (by their standards) in the Champions League.

JohnnyRyan99 · 07-05-2012 8:40pm

Crouch absolutely has to go instead of Carroll!?!(that's saying if one should go!)

Crouch has been great all year for Stoke and while Carroll is playing a bit better now for Liverpool of late Crouch is by far the better player. His record for England speaks for itself.. I think he's completely underated by England because he looks hilarious!

Bobeagleburger · 07-05-2012 8:47pm

THFC wrote: »

Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, K Walker

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5 fullbacks?

MickySticks · 07-05-2012 8:49pm

Heskey maybe?

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 8:52pm

JohnnyRyan99 wrote: »

Crouch absolutely has to go instead of Carroll!?!(that's saying if one should go!)

Crouch has been great all year for Stoke and while Carroll is playing a bit better now for Liverpool of late Crouch is by far the better player. His record for England speaks for itself.. I think he's completely underated by England because he looks hilarious!

Don't agree. If Crouch was playing trying to justify a 35mil price tag we'd all say he's playing rubbish in that case.

Think Carroll is a good aul honest player who throws himself about a bit and has started to score recently. Tbh I'd prefer him than someone who is pushed off the ball and doesn't exert themselves (not Crouch by the way). Tbh I'd bring them both

cgpg5 · 07-05-2012 8:53pm

Can't see how people are leaving out Lescott, should be in the team by rights in my view

Hank Scorpio · 07-05-2012 8:57pm

cgpg5 wrote: »

Can't see how people are leaving out Lescott, should be in the team by rights in my view

Not necessarily in the team but definitely in the squad imo, so underrated. He's been excellent all season

kensutz · 07-05-2012 9:02pm

G.K. wrote: »

As an Englishman (Partly anyway), this is the squad I want to see:

GK: Hart, Stockdale, Ruddy
DEF: Richards, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Cole Baines, Smalling
MID: Parker, Jones, Britton, Howson, Gerrard, Chamberlain, Young, Johnson, Milner
FOR: Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Holt

3 Norwich players in the squad. I love you man!

Ruddy has been awesome for us, Howson was in unbelievable form against Arsenal and what a signing he is turning out to be. Holt is a handful for any defence and again, Arsenal found out how difficult it was to mark him. Also scored against all the "top clubs" this season.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 07-05-2012 9:04pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

5 fullbacks?

I'm taking the easy option and sitting on the fence regarding who'll be dropped out of Johnson, Richards and Walker

. Smalling will probably make it, completely forgot about Lescott, he's in with a shout too, Cahill shouldn't go ahead of those 2 but he's played more for England recently so probably will.

CSF · 07-05-2012 9:08pm

THFC wrote: »

I'm taking the easy option and sitting on the fence regarding who'll be dropped out of Johnson, Richards and Walker . Smalling will probably make it, completely forgot about Lescott, he's in with a shout too, Cahill shouldn't go ahead of those 2 but he's played more for England recently so probably will.

Johnson should be the 1 to go of the 3. The other 2 have been outstanding. I think its unfortunate for Johnson because he'd be a starter for many countries but those are the ropes.

gosplan · 07-05-2012 9:10pm

THFC wrote: »

Why are people leaving out Lennon? Would think he's a cert, he's been outstanding for Spurs for 2 seasons now.

6 goals and ten assists in two years isn't outstanding.

Ethrington has been better ffs.

CSF · 07-05-2012 9:12pm

gosplan wrote: »

6 goals and ten assists in two years isn't outstanding.

Ethrington has been better ffs.

Statistics aren't everything. His pace is a huge asset.

Bobeagleburger · 07-05-2012 9:13pm

THFC wrote: »

I'm taking the easy option and sitting on the fence regarding who'll be dropped out of Johnson, Richards and Walker . Smalling will probably make it, completely forgot about Lescott, he's in with a shout too, Cahill shouldn't go ahead of those 2 but he's played more for England recently so probably will.

It's a tough call tbf.

Richards to miss out perhaps? fcuk knows

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 07-05-2012 9:14pm

gosplan wrote: »

6 goals and ten assists in two years isn't outstanding.

Ethrington has been better ffs.

There's more to a players game than just stats. He's an old fashioned winger, he stays on the wing and stretches the defence right across. When himself and Bale play (and Bale actaully stays on the fookin wing) it creates so much space in the middle. Walcott drifts in far too much for a player with limited technical ability, and I'd rate Lennon as a much better crosser of the ball, his crossing has improved immensely the past year or so.

gosplan · 07-05-2012 9:14pm

CSF wrote: »

Statistics aren't everything. His pace is a huge asset.

But it doesn't set him apart.

Hank Scorpio · 07-05-2012 9:15pm

Lennon > Walcott imo

CSF · 07-05-2012 9:16pm

gosplan wrote: »

But it doesn't set him apart.

Together with other aspects of his game, it does. He is easily good enough to be in the squad considering the quality of wingers available to England at present.

CSF · 07-05-2012 9:16pm

nuxxx wrote: »

Lennon > Walcott imo

Easily. Walcott is pretty poor.

redzerdrog · 07-05-2012 10:02pm

If I was picking i'd bring johnson and richards, I think walker is overhyped and the other two can attack just as well as him but also defend better. Walkers pace saves him a lot when his positioning is rubbish.

Saying that Johnson was rumoured to have fallen out with Hodgson when at Liverpool so wouldnt be suprised to see him not selected.

steelcityblues · 07-05-2012 10:18pm

Paul Robinson has been very good for Blackburn this season, despite having way too many average players around him. He would have been a shoo in if he didn't retire - he must regret it privately.

Eng-er-land Euro2012 squad

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