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Eng-er-land Euro2012 squad

  • 07-05-2012 7:50pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭


    Who do you guys think will be competing for the right to get knocked out on penalties in the quarter final?

    For me it is:

    GK: J Hart, S Carson, D Stockdale

    Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, P Jones

    Mid: T Walcott, A Young, S Downing, J Milner, G Barry, F Lampard, S Parker, S Gerrard

    Fwd: W Rooney, D Welbeck, A Carroll, J Defoe

    Others close to the squad are surely C Smalling, J Lescott, K Walker, the Oxe, A Johnson, D Bent (if not injured?)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    Crouch should feel aggrieved if Andy Carroll gets the nod ahead of him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Downing? :eek: :p

    Kyle Walker surely?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Who do you guys think will be competing for the right to get knocked out on penalties in the quarter final?

    For me it is:

    GK: J Hart, S Carson, D Stockdale

    Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, P Jones

    Mid: T Walcott, A Young, S Downing, J Milner, G Barry, F Lampard, S Parker, S Gerrard

    Fwd: W Rooney, D Welbeck, A Carroll, J Defoe

    Others close to the squad are surely C Smalling, J Lescott, K Walker, the Oxe, A Johnson, D Bent (if not injured?)

    Rob Green for Stockdale. I'd be surprised if Lescott didn't make it tbh. Is Bent available? If so he's a better option than Defoe. Would have Adam Johnson ahead of Downing and Smalling ahead of Jones too. That plus yours would be my pick ;)

    Lescott for Johnson that is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭bookie basher


    defoe & downing wont get in the squad, lescott should be ahead of phil jones, and with the fulham connection i wouldnt be suprised if zamora got in, roy loves his target men so crouch is in the mix as well


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Possibly 4 Liverpool players could be chosen.

    Says it all about Englands chances really.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Grant Holt in with a shout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Possibly 4 Liverpool players could be chosen.

    Says it all about Englands chances really.
    Liverpool fans probably want to include next Messi Raheem Sterling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Possibly 4 Liverpool players could be chosen.

    Says it all about Englands chances really.

    Gerrard may well be the only one. Carroll has an outside chance. Can't see anyone else near it tbh


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    Looking at that midfield and also the attack (bearing in mind Rooney will miss a couple of games) and you have to say that that England team haven't got much of a chance and may even go out in the group stages.

    The only thing maybe going for them is that the pressure might be less than the last few years when the 'Golden Generation' were expected to bring home the trophy.

    Still, they will be expected to get out of their group at the very least and I'm not at all sure they will.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    cgpg5 wrote: »
    Gerrard may well be the only one. Carroll has an outside chance. Can't see anyone else near it tbh
    Johnson will surely go


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    cgpg5 wrote: »
    Gerrard may well be the only one. Carroll has an outside chance. Can't see anyone else near it tbh

    Johnson is pretty much nailed on. Downing has a decent chance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Holt should be in instead of Carroll if you want a big man IMO.

    Team will follow the usual **** team selections by Capello with those deserving of spots that play for unfashionable teams overlooked once again.

    Hope I'm wrong though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,870 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Whatever happened with paul robinson between the sticks? Form just dropped or something? God be wih the days of david james:cool:

    Ah yes liverpool bashing already, good stuff! what thread is complete without it these days:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Johnson will surely go
    Morzadec wrote: »
    Johnson is pretty much nailed on. Downing has a decent chance

    Walker and Richards will both go no doubt in my mind. Don't agree with the former but they will. Smalling will provide cover then if needs be. Put it this way I'd be very shocked if Johnson made it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    I think Ben Foster might make himself available, what with Woy being his club manager and all. Based on that I think it should be:

    Joe Hart
    Ben Foster
    David Stockdale

    Ashley Cole
    Leighton Baines
    Micah Richards
    Chris Smalling (cover RB and CB)
    John Terry
    Rio Ferdinand
    Gary Cahill
    Kyle Walker

    Steven Gerrard
    Frank Lampard
    James Milner
    Theo Walcott
    Scott Parker
    Gareth Barry
    Ashley Young
    Aaron Lennon

    Wayne Rooney
    Danny Welbeck
    Andy Carroll (Mr.Plan B)
    Jermaine Defoe

    I would be going for something like this:

    Hart
    Richards-Terry-Rio-Cole
    Parker
    Gerrard-Lampard
    Walcott
    Young
    Welbeck (Rooney when available)

    Knowing England at major competitions however it will probably be 4-4-1-1 with Gerrard behind Welbeck or Rooney.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Liverpool fans probably want to include next Messi Raheem Sterling

    No, I'd rather there were no Liverpool players going at all tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    Whatever happened with paul robinson between the sticks? Form just dropped or something? God be wih the days of david james:cool:

    Ah yes liverpool bashing already, good stuff! what thread is complete without it these days:rolleyes:

    Paul Robinson is an awful keeper imo.

    Saying that the 2nd and 3rd choice are not much to shout about (don't know much about Stockdale, but he's out on loan in the Championship so wouldn't hold high hopes), same goes for Foster of he goes.

    If Hart gets injured it'd be a massive blow for them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Opens thread. Sees another Liverpool debate form. Swiftly leaves!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Morzadec wrote: »
    Paul Robinson is an awful keeper imo.

    Saying that the 2nd and 3rd choice are not much to shout about (don't know much about Stockdale, but he's out on loan in the Championship so wouldn't hold high hopes), same goes for Foster of he goes.

    If Hart gets injured it'd be a massive blow for them

    Rob Green will probably be second choice


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    cgpg5 wrote: »
    Walker and Richards will both go no doubt in my mind. Don't agree with the former but they will. Smalling will provide cover then if needs be. Put it this way I'd be very shocked if Johnson made it

    Is that because of Johnson's poor form under Hodgson?

    Johnson is the most experienced of the 3, I'd imagine he would go ahead of Walker. It's true though that Johnson played poorly under Hodgson, largely (imo) because he is not at all suited to his system so that could be in Hodgson's thinking I suppose.

    Perhaps Richards is the best to start though playing in a Hodgson team as he is the best defensively.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭Masked Man


    Danny Sturridge should be in with a shout, but the last while has probably ****ed that up on him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Paul Konchesky surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Crouch should feel aggrieved if Andy Carroll gets the nod ahead of him.

    How do I dislike a post?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Paul Konchesky surely?

    He's assistant manager afaik.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭G.K.


    As an Englishman (Partly anyway), this is the squad I want to see:

    GK: Hart, Stockdale, Ruddy
    DEF: Richards, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Cole Baines, Smalling
    MID: Parker, Jones, Britton, Howson, Gerrard, Chamberlain, Young, Johnson, Milner
    FOR: Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Holt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    G.K. wrote: »
    As an Englishman (Partly anyway), this is the squad I want to see:

    GK: Hart, Stockdale, Ruddy
    DEF: Richards, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Cole Baines, Smalling
    MID: Parker, Jones, Britton, Howson, Gerrard, Chamberlain, Young, Johnson, Milner
    FOR: Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Holt

    That'll do nicely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Morzadec wrote: »
    Is that because of Johnson's poor form under Hodgson?

    Johnson is the most experienced of the 3, I'd imagine he would go ahead of Walker. It's true though that Johnson played poorly under Hodgson, largely (imo) because he is not at all suited to his system so that could be in Hodgson's thinking I suppose.

    Perhaps Richards is the best to start though playing in a Hodgson team as he is the best defensively.

    It's because Walker seems to be hyped up as the next big thing in the English media. don't rate him at all but he'll make it. Johnson would be a better RM imo, can't defend for love nor money but great going forward and crossing.

    If I was in charge I'd go with:
    Hart; Richards, JT, Lescott, A.Cole; Parker, Barry; Walcott, Gerrard, A. Johnson/Young; Welbeck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hodgson bring Zamora in as his no.9, who played very well for him in his time at Fulham. Reckon he'd pair him with one of Defoe or Wellbeck in a front 2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    cgpg5 wrote: »
    It's because Walker seems to be hyped up as the next big thing in the English media. don't rate him at all but he'll make it. Johnson would be a better RM imo, can't defend for love nor money but great going forward and crossing.

    If I was in charge I'd go with:
    Hart; Richards, JT, Lescott, A.Cole; Parker, Barry; Walcott, Gerrard, A. Johnson/Young; Welbeck

    Johnson isn't as bad at defending as many would like to believe.

    Also Johnson is not a right-mid, and you can't just teach a right-back to play right-mid, it's a whole different ball game imo. Usually when the ball arrives to you at right-mid you have less space and time, and are unable to carry the ball forward the same way. They are 2 very different positions and it would take a while playing there before you could just throw him into that position.

    Johnson is a wing-back, or if you want to put it differently, a modern fullback. He plays his best football in a 4-2-3-1 where he has a competent DM to cover him and has licence to go forward.

    Johnson had a terrible few months under Hodgson where he was played as an old school, deep-lying fullback, where values such as strength, positioning and aerial ability are more important than pace, passing, crossing dribbling etc... Danny Alves would have looked muck in that Hodgson team playing at right-full.

    He's actually had a very good and consistent season, and has been one of the few positives this year for Liverpool.

    However, if Hodgson is going to go 4-4-2, and long ball, Johnson may not be the best choice, I agree


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭kitakyushu


    Vokes wrote: »
    Wouldn't be too surprised to see Hodgson bring Zamora in as his no.9, who played very well for him in his time at Fulham. Reckon he'd pair him with one of Defoe or Wellbeck in a front 2.

    Hodgson could quickly be the next Graham Taylor if he starts picking players based on the fact that he worked with them rather than because they are any good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Why are people leaving out Lennon? Would think he's a cert, he's been outstanding for Spurs for 2 seasons now. Kyle Walker is also a cert. My team;

    GK: J Hart, R Green S Carson,

    Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, K Walker

    Mid: T Walcott, A Young, A Lennon, J Milner, G Barry, F Lampard, S Parker, S Gerrard

    Fwd: W Rooney, D Welbeck, A Carroll, J Defoe

    Smalling, Sturridge and Crouch would be unlucky to miss out, can't see either of them going though, unless Johnson or Richards (who isn't playing much these days) is dropped. As for Paul Robinson he's retired from international duty.

    If Scott Parker starts England will be in trouble, he's been quite poor recently, that said I can see him being captain and playing every minute.

    My team;

    Hart
    Walker - Terry - Rio - Cole
    ----Parker ---- Barry
    Lampard
    Lennon
    Young
    Welbeck

    I'd like to Baines at LB but Cole has been doing well recently so probably has LB nailed down. Lennon is better than Walcott, end of. Whoever starts RB in the first game could be unlucky because I fancy Ribery against any of them, which could prompt that person to lose their place.

    It'll be interesting to watch England this summer, I reckon Woy might actually make a decent go of it. If they get to the semi's, quarters if they finish second, they'll be shown up big time. Spain will tear them apart, the Barca and Real contingent will be very fired up after their poor showing (by their standards) in the Champions League.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭JohnnyRyan99


    Crouch absolutely has to go instead of Carroll!?!(that's saying if one should go!)

    Crouch has been great all year for Stoke and while Carroll is playing a bit better now for Liverpool of late Crouch is by far the better player. His record for England speaks for itself.. I think he's completely underated by England because he looks hilarious!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    THFC wrote: »



    Def: G Johnson, M Richards, A Cole, L Baines, J Terry, R Ferdinand, G, Cahill, K Walker

    .

    5 fullbacks?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Heskey maybe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Crouch absolutely has to go instead of Carroll!?!(that's saying if one should go!)

    Crouch has been great all year for Stoke and while Carroll is playing a bit better now for Liverpool of late Crouch is by far the better player. His record for England speaks for itself.. I think he's completely underated by England because he looks hilarious!

    Don't agree. If Crouch was playing trying to justify a 35mil price tag we'd all say he's playing rubbish in that case.

    Think Carroll is a good aul honest player who throws himself about a bit and has started to score recently. Tbh I'd prefer him than someone who is pushed off the ball and doesn't exert themselves (not Crouch by the way). Tbh I'd bring them both


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,656 ✭✭✭cgpg5


    Can't see how people are leaving out Lescott, should be in the team by rights in my view


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    cgpg5 wrote: »
    Can't see how people are leaving out Lescott, should be in the team by rights in my view

    Not necessarily in the team but definitely in the squad imo, so underrated. He's been excellent all season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,197 ✭✭✭kensutz


    G.K. wrote: »
    As an Englishman (Partly anyway), this is the squad I want to see:

    GK: Hart, Stockdale, Ruddy
    DEF: Richards, Walker, Terry, Cahill, Cole Baines, Smalling
    MID: Parker, Jones, Britton, Howson, Gerrard, Chamberlain, Young, Johnson, Milner
    FOR: Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Holt

    3 Norwich players in the squad. I love you man! :D Ruddy has been awesome for us, Howson was in unbelievable form against Arsenal and what a signing he is turning out to be. Holt is a handful for any defence and again, Arsenal found out how difficult it was to mark him. Also scored against all the "top clubs" this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    5 fullbacks?
    I'm taking the easy option and sitting on the fence regarding who'll be dropped out of Johnson, Richards and Walker :o. Smalling will probably make it, completely forgot about Lescott, he's in with a shout too, Cahill shouldn't go ahead of those 2 but he's played more for England recently so probably will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,543 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    THFC wrote: »
    I'm taking the easy option and sitting on the fence regarding who'll be dropped out of Johnson, Richards and Walker :o. Smalling will probably make it, completely forgot about Lescott, he's in with a shout too, Cahill shouldn't go ahead of those 2 but he's played more for England recently so probably will.

    Johnson should be the 1 to go of the 3. The other 2 have been outstanding. I think its unfortunate for Johnson because he'd be a starter for many countries but those are the ropes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    THFC wrote: »
    Why are people leaving out Lennon? Would think he's a cert, he's been outstanding for Spurs for 2 seasons now.

    6 goals and ten assists in two years isn't outstanding.

    Ethrington has been better ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,543 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    gosplan wrote: »
    6 goals and ten assists in two years isn't outstanding.

    Ethrington has been better ffs.

    Statistics aren't everything. His pace is a huge asset.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,735 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    THFC wrote: »
    I'm taking the easy option and sitting on the fence regarding who'll be dropped out of Johnson, Richards and Walker :o. Smalling will probably make it, completely forgot about Lescott, he's in with a shout too, Cahill shouldn't go ahead of those 2 but he's played more for England recently so probably will.

    It's a tough call tbf.

    Richards to miss out perhaps? fcuk knows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,778 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    gosplan wrote: »
    6 goals and ten assists in two years isn't outstanding.

    Ethrington has been better ffs.
    There's more to a players game than just stats. He's an old fashioned winger, he stays on the wing and stretches the defence right across. When himself and Bale play (and Bale actaully stays on the fookin wing) it creates so much space in the middle. Walcott drifts in far too much for a player with limited technical ability, and I'd rate Lennon as a much better crosser of the ball, his crossing has improved immensely the past year or so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    CSF wrote: »
    Statistics aren't everything. His pace is a huge asset.

    But it doesn't set him apart.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Lennon > Walcott imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,543 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    gosplan wrote: »
    But it doesn't set him apart.

    Together with other aspects of his game, it does. He is easily good enough to be in the squad considering the quality of wingers available to England at present.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,543 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    nuxxx wrote: »
    Lennon > Walcott imo

    Easily. Walcott is pretty poor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    If I was picking i'd bring johnson and richards, I think walker is overhyped and the other two can attack just as well as him but also defend better. Walkers pace saves him a lot when his positioning is rubbish.

    Saying that Johnson was rumoured to have fallen out with Hodgson when at Liverpool so wouldnt be suprised to see him not selected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Paul Robinson has been very good for Blackburn this season, despite having way too many average players around him. He would have been a shoo in if he didn't retire - he must regret it privately.


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